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Before you laud Ryan Dempster as The Defender of the Non-PED Users …

Aug 19, 2013, 8:55 AM EDT

The narrative after last night’s crazy Red Sox-Yankees game is probably going to center on Ryan Dempster hitting Alex Rodriguez with a pitch and all of the drama which surrounded it. That narrative is also likely to include a heavy dose of people excusing Dempster for throwing at A-Rod because A-Rod is evil and Dempster was standing up for those who don’t cheat, snitch and all of that stuff.

Before you hop on that train, however, check out these tweets from hockey journalist Wane Scanlan, which were highlighted in Dave Brown’s post over at Big League Stew:

Maybe it’s easy to hate A-Rod, but it would seem that Dempster already had a beef with A-Rod and it wasn’t about anything as high-minded as professional integrity.

Whatever animated Dempster, it was still pretty stupid. Even if you hate A-Rod for all of the best reasons on the planet, putting him on in that situation and giving what has been a listless Yankees team of late some baserunners and some motivation was dumb. And, as we’ve said several times around these parts, throwing at batters is dumb as a general rule. If it was about some petty personal snub it was triply dumb.

  1. urfinished - Aug 19, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    What is this high school? The popular d*ck doesn’t say hi and it hurt your feelings? Enough to where you go around and tell all the other girls in school?

    • historiophiliac - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM

      Thank you for making that about females.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 19, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        In fairness…girls can be a little gossipy.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

        Are you just trying to get me to tell you to go to hell?

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 19, 2013 at 4:45 PM

        Lol! There she is. Wonderful retort Philiac.
        You didn’t let me down.

    • sabatimus - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

      I’d be happy to be snubbed by A-Rat. That said, Dumpster is clearly a class act as we can all see.

      • yournuts - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        Is stupidity is your only trait? A classless act and any moron that calls it class needs a reality check. You can’t do better than that?

      • raysfan1 - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:51 PM

        Yournuts, your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning. Retread Sabatimus’ entry carefully–he’s agreeing with you.

  2. fanofevilempire - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    freaking Canadian, what did you expect. now BIG Papi has to get drilled next time around.
    sorry ProudCanadian.

  3. flamethrower101 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Now the question is how does MLB respond? I think that would be telling of this whole situation. Dempster deserves a suspension, but if MLB were to just fine him I think AROD’s attorneys would have a field day.

    • unclemosesgreen - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:04 AM

      Selig probably took a private jet to personally hand Dempster a briefcase full of cash in the exact amount of the forthcoming fine and high-fived him before handing it over.

      • baseballici0us - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM

        Hahaha…that was funny.

      • fanofevilempire - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM

        ah, so just a couple douche bags….

  4. unclemosesgreen - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    26.5 million over 2 years – I guess that’s not enough to put winning first.

  5. Kevin S. - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    Can’t wait for the realization to dawn on Bud that he has no choice but to suspend Dumpster. If his office tacitly sends the message that A-Rod’s fair game, the Yankees will have no choice but to defend him themselves, and since they’ll realize that they won’t get the same protections the A-Rod hunters will, they’ll have to make their shots count. I don’t advocate this, and I’m sure the Yankees don’t want to have to do this, but if the commissioner’s office refuses to do its job here, they won’t have much choice in the matter.

    • Old Gator - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:14 AM

      Waiting for a realization to dawn on Bud could be a career.

      • kevinbnyc - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM

        Pretty sure there’s an MLB committee for it.

    • Joe - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:32 AM

      I hope Dempster gets suspended, files an appeal, and some reporter asks John Lackey if it’s fair that Dempster gets to play while waiting for his appeal to be heard.

      • Kevin S. - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        This.

  6. whammy24 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    Seems to me that Dempster didn’t drill him until the 4th chance he got. Does that make him less of a man of his word?

    • unclemosesgreen - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM

      First chance, fourth try.

    • coloradogolfcoupons - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:50 AM

      He still hasn’t hit Arod where he was aiming….his balls. But since roids shrink the testicles, I guess we cut Denpster some slack for missing such a tiny pair.

  7. yankee172 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Who’s lauding Dempster? Nearly everything I’ve seen has said what he did was irresponsible, dangerous, juvenile, and worthy of punishment.

    • raysfan1 - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:54 PM

      Go read the Jeff Pearlman post for one.

  8. chip56 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Great moment on the Today Show. Matt Lauer was interviewing Alex’s lawyer who again said that he would love to get in depth about his evidence against MLB and the Yankees but that there’s a confidentiality clause in place. Lauer presented him with a letter sent to the Today Show by MLB saying that they would be happy to waive the clause, just sign the letter and both sides could open up their evidence for public examination…the lawyer backed down. This on the heels of the Yankees saying that they too would be happy to open up Alex’s medical records if he wants them to, just sign the paperwork, he hasn’t.

    Alex and his lawyer come off as that annoying small guy who starts trouble and then stands behind his friends yelling “hold me back!!!”

    • stevem7 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:41 AM

      Somebody should have held you back there CHIP

      • chip56 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM

        oooooh. that hurt.

    • fanofevilempire - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM

      chips, a great moment, really?

      • chip56 - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

        I love watching cowards like this lawyer walk themselves right into stupid mistakes…like having their bluff called on national television and not having the stones to follow through on their threats.

  9. rickdobrydney - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Yeah, Ryan “gutless loser” Dempster— he sure is the answer for the Red Sox — tried 3 times to hit him and finally did, and GIRARDI gets tossed —what a joke — and the fine citizens of Boston , that “B Srong” town, standing and applauding wildly when he does get hit. What a thoroughly disgusting display.

  10. nategearhart - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Dempster said afterwards that he was just trying to throw him inside. So does that mean he gets an even longer super-suspension for being a liar liar pants on fire, like a certain becentaured Yankee?

    • paperlions - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:36 AM

      I’m assuming Dempster will be suspended for at least 30 games as a multiple time violator of intentionally throwing at batters: He planned to throw at ARod, He threw at ARod, He hit ARod, he lied about trying to Hit ARod, that’s at least 4 right there.

      • nbjays - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        Paper, make that 4 counts of “throwing at A-Rod”, since it took him 4 pitches to actually hit him.

    • sabatimus - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      You have to say it like Al Pacino: your pants, are on FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE!!

  11. chip56 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    As I said last night, more than the loss, I would be worried about the fact that it took one of my starters 4 pitchers to hit a stationary target.

    • chip56 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:29 AM

      sorry, four pitches not pitchers.

    • nategearhart - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM

      Indeed. Dempster isn’t exactly known for his pinpoint control; for all we know he was aiming for A-Rod’s head.

  12. stlouis1baseball - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:02 AM

    After reading this…I immediately laughed and then realized I somehow like Ryan Dempster more than I did previously. And I have always thought he was a pretty likeable guy.
    This provides further proof.

    Alright…bring on the thumbs downs.

    • aceshigh11 - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:17 AM

      I’m sure he’s a perfectly swell guy.

      He still pitched like garbage and gave the Yankees a big dose of motivation.

    • fanofevilempire - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM

      I guess you are a douche too.

      • fanofevilempire - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM

        I was responding to stlouis1baseball, who forgets the red birds employed McGuire.
        like I said douche.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        Thanks for your always insightful, incredibly positive contributions Empire. We can always count on you to bring your half ass approach. But in your defense, you are incredibly consistent.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

        Again with your consistent (albeit half assed) approach.
        My post had absolutely nothing to do w/ McGuire OR Steroids.
        It had everything to do with Dempster being pissed at Rodriquez and deciding to do something to make himself feel a little better about it.
        As Aces stated…he pitched like garbage and he provided your boys with plenty of motivation. But I bet he still felt good after drilling him. Good for him.

  13. banger60 - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    somebody call my momma!

  14. aceshigh11 - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Douchebag Dumpster is going to cost the Sox a playoff berth at this rate.

    Fine his ass…sorry, pal…you’re not Pedro or Roger Clemens.

  15. jjschiller - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Curious, Craig, if you have a problem with a reporter going public with something that could not POSSIBLY have been said on the record.

  16. historiophiliac - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Hilariously, this incident resolves the debate my buddy and I had recently that I mentioned before (wondering what would happen if Porcello hit A-Rod). We have an answer. Once a pinstripe, always a pinstripe. His teammates will angrily mill around and puff their chests for him just like for anyone else. Chemistry is beautiful.

    • paperlions - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      Well, it is like someone saying something unpleasant but true about your sibling or spouse….in general, it is fine for you to do it, but most people get defensive is someone else does it.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM

        And yet, Braun’s teammates are piling on. Sheesus, am I suggesting the Borg are morally superior? Ack!

      • paperlions - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM

        There is probably info there we don’t know about. Braun may have be more directly deceptive to his team mates than ARod was….so, may be a Braun is a bigger dick than ARod thing rather than a Borg are morally superior to Brewers thing. As a fan of beer, I find it hard to believe anyone is morally superior to Brewers.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        I like your thinking there.

  17. Chris Ross - Aug 19, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    It was definitely a little curious to see Dempster go after A-Rod. No one had done it yet and I’m actually proud of him for doing so. Maybe it’s because I’m Canadian or maybe it’s because I hate A-Rod, maybe a bit of both. But it is still wrong if the MLB wants to let this go and we will see what they will do. It will be interesting to see how this develops, if the MLB does anything and if the Yankees do anything in the future going into the stretch run.

    http://chrisross91.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/this-needs-to-stop/

  18. mtsommer5 - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    The Red Sox and Red Sox fans have no reason to be sanctimonious. David Ortiz admitted in 2009 that he tested positive for PEDs in 2003, and apparently Curt Schilling was encouraged by Red Sox officials to use PEDs at the end of his career.

    www . businessinsider.com/curt-schilling-says-red-sox-encouraged-him-to-use-of-performance-enhancing-drugs-2013-2

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