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Anaheim isn’t big enough for Mike Scioscia and Jerry Dipoto

Aug 23, 2013, 5:01 PM EDT

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There’s been plenty of speculation about the fates of Angels manager Mike Scioscia and general manager Jerry Dipoto, but Jon Morosi of offers a bit of substance in reporting that one of them will be a goner after the season.

According to Morosi “philosophical differences exist between the men and it has become increasingly apparent to organization that status quo is not tenable.”

Angels owner Arte Moreno gave Scioscia a pretty big vote of confidence earlier this season, saying things like “Mike has zero problems” and “I have no questions about Mike.” Of course, that was back in May and the Angels have continued to struggle on their way to a 55-71 record.

One big factor? Scioscia is signed through 2018, so Moreno would have to eat a bunch of money to make MLB’s longest-tenured manager go away. On the other hand, Moreno fired Tony Reagins as GM and replaced him with Dipoto just two years ago, so cutting him loose would be admitting a big blunder. And if Dipoto is let go the fact that Moreno forced him to make certain moves, including signing Josh Hamilton to a huge, almost immediately regrettable contract, will be tough to ignore.

  1. mirmz - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    It has to be extremely difficult for successful business people to be hands-off with such a gigantic asset, but Arte would be best served by allowing the experts he hires to do their job without meddling so much.

    He should also lower beer prices.

    • okwhitefalcon - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:24 PM

      Organization in need of an identity?

      Organization in need of an unquestioned leader?

      I suspect Moreno’s made a call to the ARF headquarters in the bay area.

    • dickclydesdale - Aug 24, 2013 at 3:42 AM

      Angels never run any stadium giveaways & they took the complimentary beer out of the luxury suites. They are trying to make up the money lost by screwing the fans.

  2. gibbyfan - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    I would think whoever had teh most to do with the Pujols and Hamilton contracts should go —-but wait–I think that may have been Moreno !!

  3. flamethrower101 - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Either way Moreno has egg on his face, because ultimately whatever move is made is reflective of him. If he fires Scioscia, he’ll be hammered for canning a longtime Anaheim icon, and if he fires Dipoto – the man he hired to specifically instruct to go after the big-time free agents – he’s essentially admitting it was all a lost cause.

  4. losanginsight - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Moves by Dipoto:
    -Signing Albert 31? to a 10yr/ 240 mil
    -cracked out Hamilton to a 5yr /125 mil
    -renting Zack Greinke for NL leading Jean -Segura..and not resigning him.
    -signing Joe Blanton for 2 years
    -signing then cutting Ryan Madsen
    and here’s the kicker.. bumping Mike Trouts salary up only 20k above the MLB minimum.
    Trout will look good in Dodger Blue in a few years

    • lanflfan - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:04 PM

      I’d love to see Trout in Blue but the LA outfield is already 4 deep, with a couple of kids in the minors knocking on the door.

  5. coloradogolfcoupons - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    What Moreno should do is immediately trade both Pujols and Hamilton, eating as little money as possible, and starting over by quit trying to be baseball’s Jerry Jones. Trying to contend with a physically lame Pujols and a mentally lame Hamilton during their declining years will be impossible.

    • timbo08 - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:38 PM

      Impossible, if he wants to move them he is going to have to eat alot of money.

    • flamethrower101 - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:42 PM

      It’s quite easy to say they should be traded. Question is CAN they be traded? What team would be dumb enough to take on their contracts? I doubt the Dodgers would. They already have A-Gon and Crawford. They don’t need a Hamilton or a Pujols.

  6. losangelesfan - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Scioscia has $25 million left. DiPoto has kept his mouth shut and has done what he’s told to do. On top of that, John Carpino, club president, is a certifiable loon. The Angels are a mess from top to Hamilton.

    • flamethrower101 - Aug 23, 2013 at 5:43 PM

      Worst part is it’s mostly Moreno’s fault, but you can’t fire him. And besides, unlike another well-despised-in-the-media owner in Florida, at least Moreno has shown a willingness to spend to win. Perhaps it was badly misguided, but it’s better than whatever the hell Jeffrey Loria’s doing.

  7. modellforprez - Aug 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Farg is going on man! The Pi-RATS sign Rusty Martin and Frankfooter liriano and are 75-52 The money bag Angels sign that fiend who can hit a baseball and Juerberto Pujols for what 900 million and they are 55-71?? Drilly really!?.!,;:

  8. xpensivewinos - Aug 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Right, wrong or indifferent, Mike Scioscia would be out of work for about three seconds.

    If he’s truly no fan of DiPoto (or the owner for that matter at this point), I can’t imagine he’s losing any sleep over this.

  9. jimatkins - Aug 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Scioscia has been pretty questionable in his bullpen usage and in managing his pitching in general (Joe Blanton in non-blowout games, get real) the last few years. Add in the atrocious Aprils that have become routine for the Angels and it wouldn’t surprise me if he got canned.

    • garyhd01 - Aug 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM

      in expecting his team to score 5 1/2 runs to then give up 6 is not a winning formula if mile had any bullpen talent to deal with he wouldn’t be in this shape the angels went with the we will outscore everyone philosophy which adds pressure to the players and then the pitchers were ignored, name me a true quality reliever on the angels I dare you !!!

  10. bender4700 - Aug 23, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Simple Solution:
    1. Fire Dipoto
    2. Release Joe Blanton
    3. Offer Trout a long term, high dollar deal. (Unless they wanna see him hanging with Torii in Detroit or NY with David Wright).
    4. Trade any player not named: (Trout, Trumbo, Pujols, Weaver, or Wilson)
    5. Pujols will play a few more years, and be a Franchise figure for years. Keep him around.
    6. If no trade offers for any member of pitching staff outside Weaver and Wilson, send most packing. Keep the young guys.
    7. Fix farm system.
    8. Sign or trade for any young prospect in pitching. Hitting isn’t the problem.

    Mike isn’t the problem. He’s a proven winner, and well respected. Keep him at all costs.

    • echech88 - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:28 PM

      Of course, man. Just fix the farm system! Why didn’t they think of that before!?

      Angels are a mess because Moreno gave Scioscia more power than any other manager. It was one of the storylines before Dipoto got hired that most people in the game viewed Scioscia as the “real GM” of the team.

      Ironically the Angels farm system and on-field performance steadily declined the more Moreno and Scioscia took over the duties of Bill Stoneman…the guy who was in charge when Moreno arrived.

      • bender4700 - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:55 PM

        GMs in pro sports have issues with just keeping it simple. Fix the farm system. It is that simple. Draft young talent, and don’t trade them away for a half season rental. It’s not complicated.

        Sciosia has won a world series, and up until the last couple years had a great team on the field every year. Clearly, he isn’t the issue. Even if he has a lot of power. Clearly, Dipoto’s hiring changed how much power Sciosia had. Why else would he get so much blame?

        People over think in sports too much.

    • thebadguyswon - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:56 PM

      LOL……who the hell wants “any player not named Trout, Trumbo, Pujols, Weaver or Wilson”?

    • hookersdontsnuggle - Aug 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM

      they should hire you

  11. randomdigits - Aug 23, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    I wonder if Dipoto regrets not taking the O’s job?

  12. echech88 - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Can Arte Moreno fire himself from being an impulsive control freak?

    Tip to Moreno: if you’re going to spend big, you have to go all-in like the Dodgers and Yankees. Throwing outrageous contracts at Pujols and Hamilton makes NO sense when your GM is then instructed to never go a cent over the luxury tax threshold.

    Also, FWIW: the Angels were crumbling before Dipoto got there…not that he has helped matter any. Throwing away draft picks every year by signing free agents, refusing to spend money in the draft when they were allowed to, trading away everyone in the farm in a 3 year span….that was all to appease impulsive Arte’s sudden thirst for big name “stars” to get over the hump of Boston and NY in the postseason.

    Arte Moreno is the one who refused to really negotiate with Boras for Adrian Beltre when the team needed a 3B and a big bat badly. He made up for it by trading Mike Napoli for Vernon Wells’ contract.

    You can’t make this stuff up. What is the opposite of the Midas touch?

    • danfrommv - Aug 23, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      s**t for brains is the opposite of the Midas touch

  13. halohonk - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Scioscia has got to go money or not. He has been managing worse every year for the last 4 at least. I think he has been thrown out of one game all year and that was automatic because his pitcher threw at someone after a warning. He cant get these guys to play for him. Arte signed him to that crazy long term deal and had Jerry sign Pujols & Hamilton. Jerry wanted to keep Greinke but when Arte wanted to make a splash and keep up with the Dodgers by signing Hamilton the $ werent there for both. Jerry’s mistake was Blanton. Of course Scioscia kept him starting loss after loss. New manager & pitching coach. Starter, closer and Trumbo nds to learn 3B. Most of all get healthy!

  14. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Remember in preseason, there was a poster named halossomething that talked about how great the Angels were going to be, going to the WS and such? Wonder why he hasn’t shown up lately…

  15. thebadguyswon - Aug 23, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    All three – Moreno, DiPoto and Scioscia – suck.

    They have all made more bad decisions than good. LAA is a train wreck right now. Scioscia was grown too comfortable there first of all – so he’s out. Obviously, you can’t fire Moreno, so DiPoto takes the knife for what was mostly the owner’s decision – Pujols and Hamilton.

  16. km9000 - Aug 23, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    Just the fact that this news even broke must be a sign of how dysfunctional things have gotten.

  17. fannatik - Aug 24, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Scioscia cannot or will not develop young talent. Mike Trout I believe was forced on him so 0credit there. My book both should be gone! Does Oakland have an owner? Cleveland? Pittsburg? Artie take some lessons and good luck with season tickets for 2014 season.

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