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Nomar Garciaparra thinks proven PED users should be booted from the Hall of Fame

Aug 25, 2013, 8:20 PM EDT

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Former Red Sox shortstop Nomar Garciaparra spoke at length with Jesse Spector of Sporting News. One of the big topics they touched on was the inclusion of players proven or implicated to have used performance-enhancing drugs getting into the Hall of Fame. Nomar thinks they should be booted out if they have been proven to have cheated.

From Spector’s column:

For me, I don’t understand why you can’t go back. If you find that out and you find out the truth — you can’t go off assumptions, but when you find out the truth, why can’t you take a person out of the Hall of Fame if you found out he was taking PEDs? I don’t see why that’s so horrible to do. Or, if they had an award, I know they do it in the Olympics, they take away gold medals and things when they later find out. I don’t see why that’s so hard. I mean, they took away the Heisman Trophy, as well. There’s a lot of different ways people can go about it and say that it can still be done.

Using an eraser on baseball history opens up a pandora’s box. Once you get the steroid cheaters out, is that it, or do you go after amphetamine users? Spitballers? What about other morally-questionable inductees — the wife-beaters, the racists, the drunks? By itself, Garciaparra’s wish certainly makes sense, but unfortunately it raises more questions than it answers.

  1. rhmurphy - Aug 25, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Spend a couple years on TV and everyone forgot they suspected you of steroids.

    • royalsfaninfargo - Aug 25, 2013 at 8:43 PM

      Agreed. Have a couple monster years and than testing starts and he ends up injured all the time.

      • dondada10 - Aug 25, 2013 at 8:52 PM

        Only difference is Nomar knows he has no shot at the HOF.

      • pinkfloydprism - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:13 PM

        True. He is just angry that PED’s and the related injuries that cut his career short, killed his chances at the hall.

    • dickclydesdale - Aug 25, 2013 at 11:03 PM

      Nomar was 130 lbs when ge got drafted & maxed out at 205 when he was on the cover of sports illustrated. No way in hell did he bulk up 75 lbs after his growth years by just working out without ped’s. He broke down physically when testing began like so many other suspected users.

      • rje49 - Aug 26, 2013 at 8:34 AM

        130 lbs when drafted? Would you care to document your exaggeration?

    • pjmarn6 - Aug 26, 2013 at 12:10 AM

      Of course, there is a simple solution. Change the name of the Hall of Fame to the Hall of Shame and let every druggie, Ped user, amphetamine user, corked bat user, bad umpire, spitballer and money hungry owner in. Then you can all go and look and point out to your children and tell them “SEE IT PAYS TO CHEAT, LIE AND STEAL!”

      • pjmarn6 - Aug 26, 2013 at 2:10 AM

        The majority of the commenters show that it doesn’t matter what the ball players used or the ridiculousness of the records that they put up. So why not just do away with the HOF and let all the good olde guys who cheated to make millions in and let it be done with? All you want to see are balls flying out of the stadiums, .250 hitters getting 5 million a year and see pitchers who throw at batters. What the fuck is the difference? The game has lost its way, the players only want to see green and the fans only want to see fake games.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 26, 2013 at 7:19 AM

        The game has lost its way,

        It’s now lost it’s way? Odd that you think the game has changed when you mention:

        Change the name of the Hall of Fame to the Hall of Shame and let every druggie, Ped user, amphetamine user, corked bat user, bad umpire, spitballer and money hungry owner in.

        Almost every player in the 60s and 70s used amphetamines, many corked their bats, spitballers and money hungry owners are already in. So what’s changed now?

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 26, 2013 at 7:22 AM

        Thankfully, this moralistic bullshit of yours is due to save all of America’s children.

        Much appreciated.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 26, 2013 at 7:24 AM

        If you hate baseball so much, THEN WHY DO YOU CARE?

      • pjmarn6 - Aug 26, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged its you and the rest of the thumbs down, the ones who say in a couple of years, all will be forgotten and forgiven, that make me sick. Baseball has only become an extension of politics, “SEE

      • pjmarn6 - Aug 26, 2013 at 3:50 PM

        churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged its you and the rest of the thumbs down, the ones who say in a couple of years, all will be forgotten and forgiven, that makes me sick. Baseball has only become an extension of politics, “SEE HOW MUCH I CAN CHEAT, STEAL, DEFRAUD AND USE THE GAME TO MAKE MY MONEY!” Forget about the ideals of the game and you can help the illiterate KING KACA defend his idols.
        Your statement says it all. Accept the cheats and liars and all the scum that make professional baseball a glorified WWW. You have shown enough over the last few months to demonstrate what you want to spend your money on and how much you want to clean up the game. I expect that illicit drugs that science will come up with and cheating is a very important part of your life.

      • pjmarn6 - Aug 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        koufaxmitzvah moralistic bull shit eh? When it comes time for you to go for surgery, I want to hear you yell at the surgeon, did you cheat in med school? Did you cheat on your boards? What is the success rate for this surgery and what is your success rate for this surgery. Then we will see what type of moralistic bull shit, you are willing to put up with.
        I played the game, not great, not even good, but I enjoyed it and had fun. It stopped being a sport and enjoyable, when the money blinded the owners, players and fans eyes.
        I’ll take horse racing every day over baseball. Down at Laurel Park in Maryland, a few years ago the longest long shot won at least once every day. And yes blood samples were taken from the animals.
        The stakes are high in horse racing as is the price for cheating. There is no second chance and there is a life time ban. That is the only thing that is going to clean up baseball. So take your 50 game suspension and shove it where the sun don’t shine. When your making $10 million with the aid of a magic bullet what does the loss of $3 million matter.

      • prmallon5600 - Aug 27, 2013 at 1:51 PM

        Are you seriously comparing medical school and surgery to a baseball game? Are you out of your mind? I’m seriously concerned that you may have been harmed in some way or another by a baseball player in something other than on the field play. Why are you even on a baseball blog if you hate it so much?

      • koufaxmitzvah - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:40 PM

        I’m not the one doing the yelling here, PJ. That’s been you for… how long have you been on this board?

        But, sure, when I’m in the hospital, I’ll think about all the bullshit whining folks like you do about the Hall of Fame and I’ll tell the doctor, Just Kill Me.

        And best of all…. It’s for the kids.

  2. drewzducks - Aug 25, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Yeah, but what does Mia think ?

    • nothanksimdriving123 - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:40 PM

      She’s in her Hall of Fame and she ain’t coming out.

    • badintent - Aug 26, 2013 at 3:16 AM

      Lets ask Hazel Mae . She had jizzy time with him. But not Brian Burke !!!! No law suits Brian.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:34 PM

        I am not sure what “jizzy time” means.
        That in mind…I am 100% certain I want to have it with Hazel Mae.

      • badintent - Aug 28, 2013 at 2:18 AM

        you nailed it. Have fun with Hazel, half the Sox did.And some Bruins did too.. But not with Brian Burke.

    • yahmule - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:46 AM

      Talk about a better half. Nomar married way up.

  3. deadeyedesign23 - Aug 25, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    And all the other false equivalencies!

    • paperlions - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:07 PM

      To go with all of your assumptions.

      • deadeyedesign23 - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:42 PM

        What assumption did I make?

  4. sdelmonte - Aug 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Let’s start with Gaylord Perry.

    And what about anyone caught using a corked bat, even once?

    • lazlosother - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:05 PM

      Bite your tongue. That would rule out Ruth, and we all know when he cheated it was just good fun.

  5. paperlions - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Baseball players have been cheating since baseball was invented, and no one cared about any form of cheating until a few years ago…and they still only care about one form while ignoring all of the others. Yeah, this suggestion makes total sense. /s

    • 48colorrainbow - Aug 26, 2013 at 12:09 AM

      Pud Galvin, a Hall of Famer who played in the 1800s, used a substance containing monkey testosterone, and yet I don’t see anyone clamoring for his removal.

  6. seanb20124 - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    He should just admit it now.

  7. romoscollarbone - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Does baseball save old samples to be tested on former players, When new methods of screening are developed? Like really how many hall of famers played when PED testing begun? It wasn’t all that long ago…

    • jwbiii - Aug 25, 2013 at 10:16 PM

      None. There are no Hall of Famers who have played since 2005 when testing for effect took place.

  8. DJ MC - Aug 25, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    While I disagree with the entire principle of eliminating people from the Hall or from consideration based on this issue, I’m glad there is someone within the sport finally bringing up this point. If people can be kept out based on PED use–even suspected–why should anyone shown to have used beforehand be allowed to remain?

    People should start asking the Hall of Famers themselves this question, since quite a few have been quick to jump on the “keep Cooperstown clean” bandwagon. I wonder how many would support this as well?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 26, 2013 at 7:21 AM

      None of them would, because any smart reporter would ask if the person wanted Aaron, Mays and Mantle removed from the HoF because they admitted PED use.

  9. jayquintana - Aug 25, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Key word for Nomar, “proven.”

  10. mrpinkca - Aug 25, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    While we’re at it, we should kick out players who played before baseball was integrated. All those guys had an unfair advantage of never having to face colored pitchers. Morally speaking, racial segregation is a far worse way to gain an advantage than popping a few pills.

    • yahmule - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM

      Your concern for “colored” players is very noble. How did you post this from 1961?

  11. bills399 - Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    wife beaters, racists, and drunks. First of all only one of those are illegal. the hall of fame is based around numbers, not character. Somebody who cheats has false numbers, a racist or drunk do not have their numbers affected. And who judges who is a racist or a drunk. Stupid point.

  12. koufaxmitzvah - Aug 26, 2013 at 7:17 AM

    So, who isn’t a suspected user? I’d like a list so as I can start rooting for the right people.

    That’s what this is about, right? Rooting for people who deserve the cheers and not the people who concocted themselves into gamers?

    I swear… For a bunch of folks who “love” baseball so much, y’all come off as bitter and battered.

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      I am with Sandy. I want a list of the “right people” to start rooting for.

  13. 18thstreet - Aug 26, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    I support them coming up with a way to remove people from the Hall of Fame. And they should start with Tom Yawkey, who did far more damage to the integrity of the game that every spitballer and drug user combined.

    Oh, and maybe no one noticed, but — fun fact! — the Red Sox never won a World Series while he owned the team.

  14. skeleteeth - Aug 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Keep your shirt on, Nomar.

  15. stlouis1baseball - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Word on the street is…
    Obsessively phuging with your batting gloves like Adrian Monk is the 1st sign of PED use.

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