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The Nationals want a big return for Dan Haren

Aug 26, 2013, 9:15 AM EDT

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Nationals starter Dan Haren has cleared waivers so anyone can trade for him. If they do it before the end of August, anyone who trades for him can have him on their postseason roster. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports, however, that acquiring him will be costly as the Nationals want a “group of prospects” for Haren.

Haren started out the season stinking on ice, but since the beginning of July he has a 2.53 ERA and 54/11 K/BB ratio in 57 innings. There are any number of teams who could use him. That Goold is reporting on this is evidence that the Cardinals are — or at least should be — interested.

  1. DelawarePhilliesFan - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    “group of prospects” for a one month rental? That is a tall order for any player, let alone the worst pitcher in baseball at the All Star break.

    Nats would be foolish to keep him, and other teams know it. And while he could definetley help down the stretch, it is no sure thing at all. No team is going to give up much

    • paperlions - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:33 AM

      Yeah, the Nats have to realize all they are trading is 4 or 5 starts…..and a guy that would be hard pressed to make a post-season rotation for most teams. That doesn’t represent much value at all…especially considering how he looks this year…yes, his numbers have been better since the AS break, but he hasn’t exactly been facing top offense: Cubs, Giants, Philly, Brewers, Mets, Miami….those are the teams he had good games against…didn’t do so hot against Pittsburgh or KC.

      • natslady - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM

        Maybe when you set the asking price so high, you don’t really want to sell. Or, some parts of the organization don’t want to sell.

      • paperlions - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:57 AM

        But….like the Phillies refusing to trade Young, you get nothing in return for keeping him. They are not going to the playoffs, they would be idiots to give him a qualifying offer (which should be about $14M)….so he’ll walk and they’ll get nothing. A grade C prospect is better than nothing, because sometimes they turn into Freese or Vicotorino.

  2. chill1184 - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    ..and I would like to win powerball

  3. jc4455 - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    He can’t be traded. He’ll either come back on a one year deal or net a draft pick for the Nats. For any other team he’s worth five starts. Trading him demolishes his value.

    • paperlions - Aug 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM

      How does trading him affect his value? He’s been a shell of his former self. He’ll be a FA and he can sign with anyone….they could trade him and still sign him in the off season.

      • jc4455 - Aug 26, 2013 at 10:04 AM

        If he’s traded the acquiring team can’t make a qualifying offer, and so can’t receive draft pick compensation if he leaves. They get five starts and then he’s a free agent.

        The Nats alone can make the QO and either get him for 2014 on a one year deal or get a pick if he turns it down. I think he’s an asset on a one year contract, even at $14 million or whatever. His problems are almost entirely due to 1/8th of his fly balls leaving the park, which is probably going to come down next year.

      • geoknows - Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM

        The Nats would be insane to make him a qualifying offer. Haren would be even more insane to turn it down.

      • stex52 - Aug 26, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        Some of his peripherals are still pretty decent (WHIP, K/9) but I would have to regard a QO of 14 MM$ as awfully optimistic.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 26, 2013 at 10:40 AM

        Some of his peripherals are still pretty decent (WHIP, K/9) but I would have to regard a QO of 14 MM$ as awfully optimistic.

        Assuming Haren gets a QO, two pitchers on the market, which do you choose (last two years worth of stats up to date)

        A – 59GS – 386.0 IP, 3.05 ERA, 134 ERA+, 8.3 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 1.9 BB/9, 6.7 K/9
        B – 54GS – 315.2 IP, 4.48 ERA, 85 ERA+, 9.5 H/9, 1.5 HR/9, 1.8 BB/9, 7.5 K/9

        I know which I’m choosing. A is Kuroda, and B is Haren. Haren lives and dies by the long ball, and 4/5 years he’s been worse than average at giving it up. He’ll be 33 in Sept, and $15M is a lot for a subpar pitcher.

      • stex52 - Aug 26, 2013 at 11:35 AM

        I would have taken Kuroda first even before you showed the stats.

  4. jss1330 - Aug 26, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    I can’t imagine a team in contention would be looking at Haren’s season stats. That simply isn’t the way front offices evaluate major league players.Nor does team thinking that Haren would be good enough to pitch them into the playoffs but not good enough to pitch in the playoffs. The Nats don’t need payroll relief so why not ask for the moon?

  5. cadillacjosh - Aug 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    I thought maybe by the title, he was coming back from something and they were going to have a big party with balloons and streamers and stuff.

    This is far less exciting.

  6. gibbyfan - Aug 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Cards could use a starter but would be crazy to give up anything more than Salas for this guy —they would be better of trying to get Lohse back —reverse that trade and give the brewers the lefty we got on the 17th pick—they would probably even pay this years salary………would give the cards 3 reliable starters for the PS

    • paperlions - Aug 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM

      You are calling Haren a reliable starter? They don’t get to play Miami or the Mets in the post season.

      • gibbyfan - Aug 26, 2013 at 5:13 PM

        Paper –Read carefully—I said if they would be crazy to go after Haren but instead should try to bring back Lohse for a third reliable starter

      • paperlions - Aug 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM

        Oh…sorry.

        Quick quiz. Who has been a better starter this year? Joe Kelly or Kyle Lohse?

      • gibbyfan - Aug 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM

        I would say Kelly since the break—but going into post season would love to have Lohse on board —-Not sure these young guys are going to hold up in PS………….love Martinez but he needs to develop—same with Lyons, Kellly.

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