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Blue Jays sticking with John Gibbons as manager for 2014

Aug 27, 2013, 5:17 PM EDT

John Gibbons AP

Toronto has been one of the most disappointing teams in baseball, sitting in last place at 59-73 following an offseason full of huge moves, but general manager Alex Anthopoulos told reporters today that manager John Gibbons’ job is not in jeopardy.

“I actually think, the in-game managing, he has done a great job,” Anthopoulos said, via Gregor Chisholm of MLB.com. “I think it’s so easy to pin results on one person. I think it’s convenient. I just don’t think blame falls on one person. There’s blame to share.”

This is Gibbons’ second stint as Blue Jays manager. He previously held the job from mid-2004 to mid-2008, when a different front office regime fired him with a 35-39 record. Overall he’s 364-378 (.491) as Toronto’s manager. And now we know he’ll be back in 2014.

  1. chill1184 - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    I see no issue with this, its not the managers fault completely when the talent doesn’t produce

    • mjbabiak - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM

      I agree.. just ask Mike Scioscia about that!

      However, John Gibbons isn’t a Mike Scioscia.

      It was a questionable re-hiring to begin with, and now following a truly horrific season, I cannot justify keeping him around. It is not as if this guy has a proven track record or any sustained success in the past.

      Sure, that may seem like its pinning it all on one person, but he is partly to blame, as is the pitching, fielding, catching, and 2nd base production. All of which will be addressed in the off season.

      • Mark - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:00 PM

        John Gibbons is not to blame for JJ getting injured and putting up a 6 ERA, Dickey allowing 2 HR per 9 innings at home and being a complete disaster, Morrow and Happ being injured, Melky Cabrera not being effective thanks to injury, and injuries to Reyes and most of the key guys.

        He’s a great in game manager, and he does everything you want a manager to do. He doesn’t bunt all over the place or play for one run, he’s managed his bullpen pretty well, and several key guys have developed or shown promise under his watch.

        What exactly did Gibbons do poorly? You want to give me examples other than the team lost? Cause that one is on the players. Gibbons put the right guys in the right situation, they just dropped the ball.

    • mjbabiak - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:15 PM

      I suppose so Mark…

      But the Jays lack fundamentals and heart right now. Two major aspects of the game of baseball. This is 100% correlated to the manager and his laid back, “go out and play” attitude.

      This may be something the team needs.

      • ptfu - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:49 PM

      • Mark - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:51 PM

        The Jays don’t lack heart that’s such nonsense. Have you seen Lawrie throw himself all over the place saving runs? He hasn’t checked out. Reyes is playing on a brutal ankle.

        The Jays are running out a AAA team thanks to all the injuries. If by “they don’t have heart”, you mean Gibbons is working with a AAA team on any given day, then yes, they have no heart.

        Fun fact – last night’s starters included – Goins, Sierra, Pillar, Gose & Thole. For the past few weeks, and for the foreseeable future half the lineup will be filled with AAA players. And in the rotation they’ve got Redmond (AAA) and Rogers forced into starting. Earl Weaver wouldn’t be able to do anything with this team.

        The fundamentals are awful – certainly. But who are the biggest culprits? Veteran infielder Maicer Izturis, Bonifacio (since traded) and JP Arencibia (who has worked with a few managers at this point). The biggest offenders in terms of a lack of fundamentals include two veteran players who aren’t that good (and we’re finding out why), and JP Arencibia, who is a terrible player who doesn’t even deserve a roster spot (a little harsh, but I’m a bit tired of Mr. Career 267 OBP in the starting lineup and no replacement in sight).

        The bottom line is every one of those criticisms can be put to the players. Is it Gibbons fault that Izturis fell apart in the field this season? Or that JPA regressed even more, swinging more and walking even less? No.

        The fundamentals will improve very quickly when the Jays get better players. But that’s not something Gibbons can control.

      • mjbabiak - Aug 27, 2013 at 10:58 PM

        Mark,

        The excuse about the AAA players being called up is a very weak one. You cannot seriously blame the current roster and call-ups for the team’s shortcomings. These call-ups happened a week or two ago and the Blue Jays’ woes started from the first game.

        Sure, losing Reyes a few games in, and not having a fully ready Lawrie in the line-up doesn’t help, but teams face injury problems all of the time, and it is the good, fundamental teams that prevail in these situations.

        Oh and by the way… a team is suppose to have 25 guys with heart, not 2.

  2. proudlycanadian - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    The starting pitchers were either hurt or did not produce and several position players got hurt. In game management did not cause the poor season.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 27, 2013 at 7:22 PM

      Same old story. Jays are always riddled with injuries by this time of the year. Maybe they need to take look at the team doctors and training staff.

  3. mjbabiak - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    I had to rub my eyes a few times after reading the title of this post

  4. heyblueyoustink - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Que that one really angry sounding Yankees fan who constantly bashes the Jays here. Good old what’s his name….

    • chill1184 - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM

      Sounds like Randy but his trolling ads hasn’t been seen in awhile

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM

        Not that one, the other one. Although you are right, haven’t seen Randy in a while. Makes you wonder sometimes when regulars just disappear.

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:17 PM

        I did see Randy once. I believe that he summers in Minnesota with the wife’s family.

    • nbjays - Aug 27, 2013 at 8:06 PM

      Blue, in his defense, dirtyharry1971 was taken to hospital with heart palpitations after reading the title of this post. He’s been so adamant that Gibby’s firing was imminent that the shock was just too much to bear.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Aug 27, 2013 at 9:22 PM

        Yea heart palpitations of JOY!!!! I am so glad they are keeping him, the only thing that would make me happier is if they keep AA so he can make some more dumb a$$ trades!!!! Thank YOU GOD!

  5. sophiethegreatdane - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    I sat in a bar in Ft. Lauderdale this past March, chatting with the bar owner and a few other couples who were enjoying themselves on vacation. The subject turned to baseball, and I noted my fine Baltimoron heritage, whereupon I was accosted verbally by Blue Jays fan. Now, I’ve run into many a Blue Jay fan over the years, and they’ve generally been a friendly and fun bunch, even given my obvious tiny sample size.

    This guy was something else. He looked to be in his sixties, wife at hand, and claimed to own and raise horses in the outskirts of Toronto. He went on and on about how bad the Orioles were going to be, and how awesome the upcoming baseball season would be for his Jays, as they ruled the AL East, and kicked sand in the faces of the mighty Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays. Every team in the division was nothing more than a minor speed bump to certain World Series domination.

    Now, I don’t usually engage with such nonsense. But after 40 or 50 minutes of this loudmouth, and the rest of the bar trying politely to disengage themselves, I simply had to say my peace. He finally shut up, and we all went back to being happy lushes in beautiful weather.

    I think the guy’s wife gave him a quick dressing-down, because he proceeded to buy us all a beer as a way to sorta-apologize. I say sorta, because he hated doing it.

    I sooooo wish I had gotten that dude’s email address.

    • proudlycanadian - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:18 PM

      There are boors supporting every team.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Aug 27, 2013 at 9:24 PM

        #1 I want to know where are all these so called jays fans? They sure as hell aint living in the USA that’s for sure. #2 the couple that do exist are boors aint that right PC?

      • indaburg - Aug 27, 2013 at 10:52 PM

        #1) Many, if not most, of these fans live in Canada because that is where the team is located. In spite of their poor season, their attendance is pretty good. Canada, in case you hadn’t noticed, is not in the USA. It’s that big country that appears to be drawn on top of the USA on maps. You do know what a map is, right?

        #2) Yes, that fan was a boor. Very much like yourself.

        Here’s a suggestion, harry. Put down the beer before you post, sweetheart.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 27, 2013 at 7:20 PM

      Problem is Toronto doesn’t have many baseball fans. We have bandwagon hoppers who buy into preseason hype and support the Jays at the stary of the year because it’s fashionable. They don’t understand that a baseball season is a long haul that isn’t won with flashy offseason moves.

      • nbjays - Aug 27, 2013 at 8:10 PM

        Luckily, none of the many regular Jays fans here (myself, PC, Paint, Cur, to name but a few) fall under the bandwagoner category. We may bitch and moan when our boys do poorly, but were here through thick and thin.

      • indaburg - Aug 27, 2013 at 10:55 PM

        The Jays’ attendance is ranked 13 of 30 teams in spite of a disappointing season: http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

        If those fans are bandwagoners looking for a front runner, I’d like them to join the Tampa Bay bandwagon. In spite of a winning record, we are a solid 30 of 30 in attendance. We’re not picky.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 27, 2013 at 11:11 PM

        Well there’s a lot of people in the GTA so as long as they need something to do then the Jays’ attendance will be respectable.

      • ryanrockzzz - Aug 28, 2013 at 8:47 AM

        Every team is made up of primarily bandwagon fans. It is hard to see this if the team has a winning stretch (Phillies, Red Sox, etc.) but when teams go bad their attedance always drops to lower levels. Just ask the Phillies this year, who have lost some numbers.

        Toronto fans are actually pretty consistent when it comes to supporting a team that has not been very good for for over 15 years. You comment insinuates that people in Toronto can’t possibly get into baseball the correct way because they are into other things, when in fact they are more consistent than fans in Houston, or Arizona, or even Baltimore for all those years they sucked.

  6. timmons94 - Aug 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Amen. I love John gibbons. Not to blame for bad season. Still a nice core in place

    • dirtyharry1971 - Aug 27, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      nice core? WHERE?? give me some of what you are smoking!!

  7. xpensivewinos - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    I’m not good with math, but I’m fairly certain this is the equation that equals “first manager fired next season.”

  8. craigmaitland - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    What the hell? What pictures does he have of someone in management? As a jays fan this news is disturbing.

  9. craigmaitland - Aug 27, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    For the guy supporting him earlier 1st watch the jays play and their complete lack of fundamentals and accountability. They don’t do basic things like little league players do even like hit a cut off man. His in game lineup decisions are mind blowingly awful, example with Dickey on the mound but scheduled to come out the bottom half of an inning he would let .091 hitting josh those bat instead of JP then switching afterwards. His use of the bullpen was horrible.. The team base running has to be the worst in baseball which is a shame for the “speed” they have on the roster. Unreal.

  10. paint771 - Aug 27, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Yeah it’s too bad – a great AL East manager like John Farrell could have done wonders here.

    Oh, wait…

    • Mark - Aug 27, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      Farrell’s not a great tactical manager. He’s got a good roster in Boston and they’re playing well for him. But he’s not someone the Jays should be sad is no longer with the team.

  11. buffalo65 - Aug 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Glad he gets another shot. Short leash next year. Can’t blame him when morrow and Johnson combine for 3 wins.

  12. buffalo65 - Aug 27, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Use of bullpen was not horrible. I think that’s the one thing he has excelled at.

  13. buffalo65 - Aug 27, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Still surprised dirty Larry hasn’t said something intelligent like “bomb Canada ” yet.

    • dirtyharry1971 - Aug 27, 2013 at 9:27 PM

      Naa this is great news Buffalo Bob, I couldn’t be any happier unless they announce that AA is coming back too

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