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Watch an umpire grab a manager by the throat during an argument

Sep 6, 2013, 3:50 PM EDT

Via Gammons, watch this video of an umpire in the Chinese Professional Baseball League grab the throat of a manager with whom he’s arguing over a balk call:

Looks and sounds like an American ump for what that’s worth. And while, granted, the manager initiated contact — the old ump bump, as it were — I feel like the hands to the throat is a bit too extreme an escalation.

  1. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    It’s really surreal to see a translator in the middle of all of this. While I understand the need for a translator for foreign players, it seems like a very odd decision to have a foreign umpire. Is this some sort of international tournament or something? Is this league so desperate for decent umpiring they are hiring umpires who obviously don’t speak the local language? You would think that having a middle person would take the wind out of most arguments, but I suppose not.

    “I’m going to throw you out!”
    “He said he’s going to throw you out.”
    “He said he was going to throw me out! What? Well you tell him we are no longer friends and I can’t hear him anymore!”

  2. albertmn - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    It is really strange seeing an manager/ump argument with an interpreter.

    That said, it looks like a typical d-bag ump. Thinks he’s something special because he is an ump. The balk call looked very questionable in the first place, but heaven forbid someone question his call, then he gets all worked up. I know it isn’t right, but I wanted to see the catcher pop that ump square in the face. Almost as bad as when you see those kind of umps with attitude in slow pitch softball. It takes a special breed to be an ump, and too many are d-bags instead of good umps.

    • blacksables - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:07 PM

      You’re a typical douche-bag, wanna-be fan who doesn’t understand a single thing about the game.

      You don’t even know what the balk rule is, yet feel qualified to question someone else’s application of it.

      You question the umpires’s judgement on the call, then incite violence towards him? You’re a complete moron.

  3. aceshigh11 - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    I guess Joe West doesn’t seem so bad now.

  4. kevinbnyc - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    I want to see this happen the other way around with Joe West. You’d need some serious mitts to get your hand around his…neck/chin thing.

  5. asimonetti88 - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    lol. “I’m turning my back on you now!” Excellent work, ump. When in doubt, take argument tactics from 6 year olds.

    • paperlions - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM

      That is what the umpire is supposed to do. He is supposed to explain the call and go back to his position to continue play, he is not supposed to indulge a manager/player for however long it is they feel like having a futile argument.

      • asimonetti88 - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:34 PM

        Yes but the way he did it reminded me of a 2nd grader pretending someone else doesn’t exist.

      • danaking - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM

        By saying, “I’m turning my back” and putting on his mask, he’s telling the manager he’s heard enough and it’s time to go back to the dugout. Far as I can tell, the umpire looks okay right up until he grabs the manager’s throat, which is frowned upon, even for balk calls.

      • blacksables - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:13 PM

        He shouldn’t have grabbed him, but he did immediately after being bumped (assaulted) by the manager. Since the guys not managing in the states, he’s probably done this all over the world.

        Where, in many countries, it’s not unusual for an umpire to be attacked by managers, players, coaches, and fans. He let go right away, so it tells me it was a gut reaction to protect himself.

        By the way, why is there no condemnation of the manager? He had the call explained to him, more than once, and was told the argument was over. The manager is the one, against the rules, continued the argument and bumped the umpire, intentionally.

        If the first action doesn’t happen, the second one doesn’t either.

        It’s a good thing you fuckers have umpires to hate and incite violence against. I would hate to see what happens when you have to start taking out that anger on your spouses and children.

      • asimonetti88 - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM

        I didn’t say he did anything wrong by doing it, it just looked funny the way he did it. Obviously he is supposed to do it… announcing he’s doing it is the part I found amusing. Maybe they always do that? I’ve just never heard it said before, just seen them do it.

  6. baseballici0us - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    I kept waiting for the “Most Extreme Elimination Challenge” voice -vers…They never came :-(

    PS: That umpire is a Douche.

  7. flyinhighwithvick - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    The coach shoulda pulled a Mr. Fuji with the salt in the eyes!

  8. paperlions - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    I’m not sure what the ump is supposed to do when he’s being physically threatened, his response seemed fine, he didn’t try to choke the guy or anything….and until that point he seemed patient enough.

    The balk was an easy call, the guy never stopped at the set position before delivering the ball. The manager had a chance to get an explanation and he got one. The ump walked away multiple times and the manager kept after him, which is just asking for an ejection, and the manager got what he was asking for….it’s a pretty simple call, a pretty simple explanation, and in the 4th inning of a game a rather silly thing to get that bent out of shape about unless there is some history there.

    • blacksables - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM

      They’ll never admit any of that. The hatred of umpires on this site has gotten out of control.

      People have lost the understanding that this is a game, and not life or death. They won’t be happy until an umpire is physically attacked by a player or coach, or a fan comes out of the stands to do it for them.

      It’s a funny thing about this site. No one can use certain words, because a particular group might get their feelings hurt. But incite fans to violence against an umpire?

      Yeah, that’s a much better idea.

      • paperlions - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM

        No one hates umpires. What they hate is the arrogant attitude they (as a group) have towards, well, everything. MLB umpires act like tools to help them do their job better are somehow a threat to them, which is untrue. They act like players that do anything at all must be showing them up, which is also untrue. Umpires also regularly act like they are infallible, when everyone knows that everyone is fallible….admitting you screwed up isn’t a personal weakness, it is a strength and an opportunity to learn/grow/improve. Hell, you even refuse to admit umpires are wrong when they are clearly wrong, including those guys that always leave their position to start arguments.

        What you fail to appreciate is that it is the overt hostile attitudes of umpires (and you) the fan the flames of peoples ire, when the job of the umpire is not to contribute to an emotional situation, but to diffuse it.

        Finally, one reason people are frustrated is because regardless of who is right or wrong or what is said by whom….NOTHING ever happens to an umpire that is horrible at this job, he just goes merrily along making bad calls and influencing the outcomes of games and throwing out guys after he starts the argument with them…whereas players/managers are ejected from games, fined, or suspended for their behavior. MLB is the only league in NA for which poor performance doesn’t lead to your replacement as an official….everyone else on the field that is bad at their job gets replaced…..only one group is never held accountable.

  9. barkleyblows - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    You can’t really blame the umps for how they act. Especially when they have to put up with a bunch of overpaid, roid raging, cry babies.

    • joelgold - Sep 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM

      You do realize this is the Chinese Professional Baseball League………

  10. clearwall - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Now, clearly, the throat grab was WAY too much by the umpire but I will say this…it was the right call. Pitcher never came to a ‘full and complete stop’ as required by the rules. it WAS a balk

  11. wallio - Sep 6, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    As much as I hate to agree with the ump, the manager had it coming. Argued for awhile, then came back, got thrown out, then came back, argued some more, then went after the ump And as stated above, he didn’t choke the guy, or punch him out, he just sent him a message that required no interpreter. And then he backed off, while the idiot manager kept trying to get at him. Gotta side with the ump here. Now excuse me as I suddenly need to shower…..

  12. aceshigh11 - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM

  13. modellforprez - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    I fucking hate umpires never liked the Bastards. they think they are the game and play fucking head games from every angle especially the cock roach fucks callin balls and strikes. i wish this was a video of this ump grabbing that manager and his whole team bullpen and clubhouse guys too just grab him and beat the living shit out of him. that whole expand the strike zone and call it like you see it shit is for the birds could you imagine if it was like that in other sports like american football or basketball they would be killed. so either have a live telestrated machine GET IT RIGHT or take your fixed bullshit american cheat time and shove it up for your fucking ass

  14. Carl Hancock - Sep 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    I apologize if I missed anyone else mention it, but could there be some sort of cultural issue here where the Ump’s response to turn his back to the manager and act as if he does not exist is some sort of big insult culturally? Maybe someone who is Chinese or familiar enough with Chinese culture is reading this could chime in. I don’t know if there is or isn’t, but I’ve traveled enough to know that it’s not unusual for foreigners of any country to inadvertently insult a citizen of the country they are in without knowing how serious of an insult the behavior is. Just a thought. Not defending the ump or the manager. Both behaved poorly.

  15. yankee172 - Sep 6, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Craig, is this something the manager could take the umpire to court over? Let’s assume American laws here.

  16. baseballer28 - Sep 7, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Damn, he should have choke slammed that little dude. He bumped him, he was the aggressor, he got what he deserved…

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