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Ringolsby: Jorge De La Rosa worthy of Cy Young consideration

Sep 7, 2013, 8:30 PM EDT

Jorge De La Rosa AP

Rockies lefty starter Jorge De La Rosa is worthy of Cy Young consideration, argues Tracy Ringolsby in his latest column on My initial reaction to the article was that he was intentionally exaggerating to make a point, but he has covered the Rockies for a while, so maybe he legitimately believes this. Ringolsby writes:

De La Rosa not only shares the NL lead in victories (16) with Jordan Zimmermann of the Washington Nationals, but he is 10-1 with a 2.76 earned-run average at Coors Field.

That is exactly all of the space he uses to make an argument, the rest is filled with extraneous details about De La Rosa’s struggles in previous seasons. We’ve all heard Brian Kenny’s spiel by now, so we don’t really need to address the 16 wins. We can address the ERA in a bit of detail, though.

There is a stat out there that adjusts ERA for a player’s ballpark, known as ERA+ which is found on Baseball Reference. The average ERA is set to 100, below it is below average and above it is above average. De La Rosa has a 134 ERA+, quite respectable. But Cy Young worthy? Among qualified National League starters, De La Rosa ranks fifth in ERA+. Clayton Kershaw is a mile ahead at 187, Jose Fernandez isn’t far behind at 175, Matt Harvey is at 158, and teammate Jhoulys Chacin is at 141. Kershaw also happens to have 43 more innings on De La Rosa. He is aiming to become the fifth starter since 2009 to post an ERA+ of 180 or better. Only Zack Greinke (205 in 2009) and Clay Buchholz (187 in 2010) have been equal or better since.

If Ringolsby was simply being facetious to draw some attention to De La Rosa, mission accomplished. De La Rosa certainly deserves some praise for his great season. But in no universe, this one or alternate, does De La Rosa rank ahead of Kershaw — or Fernandez — in NL Cy Young balloting.

  1. okwhitefalcon - Sep 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    Ringolsby also wears a cowboy hat in public.

    • Kevin Gillman - Sep 7, 2013 at 10:15 PM

      It’s worked for Jim Ross for many years.

      • pdowdy83 - Sep 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM

        Please define “worked”

      • Kevin Gillman - Sep 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM

        He made a career wearing that hat, and still does. The hat was a part of Jim.

  2. wetmorepsu12 - Sep 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    You do understand the definition of “consideration,” correct? It doesn’t say “worthy of winning,” it says “worthy of consideration.” Not entirely too far-fetched.

    • Ben - Sep 7, 2013 at 9:18 PM

      It appears that Bill did, in fact, *consider* him. And found him sorely lacking as a credible candidate. So, unless someone has a better argument than Ringolsby, there is nothing to really consider.

      • somethgblue - Sep 7, 2013 at 11:42 PM

        All the yapping and rhetoric we hear from the National Sports Gurus that anybody can have Big MVP numbers at Coors Field and then along comes a pitcher, a year and half removed from Tommy John surgery whom is 10 and 1 at Coors Field with a sub 3.00 ERA (2.76), LEADS the National League in Wins (16) and is basically shutting down the opposition at Coors Field and they want to pooh pooh his accomplishments as if it is no big deal.


        He should win the Cy Young hands down but because sports writers are just wannabe hacks anyway, he won’t.

        Truly a testament to the pathetic non-thinking American’s show the World everyday.


      • Ben - Sep 8, 2013 at 9:46 AM

        Do we give bonus points now for having had surgery? How long in the past does it have to be?

        And maybe “National Sports Gurus” have discounted hitters for playing at Coors, but unless Bill has done so (which I doubt since he understands at least one method for taking context into account for awards), then there is no inconsistency here.

        And you are adding NOTHING to the argument Ringolsby already made. Bill has offered a statistic (ERA+) that accounts for Coors as a pitching context. This stat shows Kershaw is better. If you don’t like the stat, fine, but coming back with the same argument (wins + “Coors is a tough place to pitch”) isn’t working. If you want to go with the argument that De La Rose has TWO more wins, okay. But note AGAIN that Kershaw has pitched 43 more innings, or nearly FIVE complete games, than De La Rosa AND the rest of his statistics are better.

        Finally: my point was simply that if Ringolsby wants people to “consider” De LA Rosa, fine. Here is a person considering him. This person, after considering him, says “he should not win the Cy in the NL this year because, after consideration, he is wanting as a candidate when compared to the other strong candidates in the league.” So, if people want to split hairs over what it means to “consider” someone, fine. However, people seem to beyond wanting a consideration when that consideration does not produce the desired outcome.

    • dan1111 - Sep 7, 2013 at 9:18 PM

      If Ringolsby had merely said “his name should be in the Cy Young mix”, that would be a defensible statement. His main point about how people evaluate pitchers at Coors field is correct. Adjust his numbers to a neutral park–say 16-6 with a 2.85 ERA–and he would be attracting a lot more attention.

      However, Ringolsby put it more strongly than that: “Could Rockies left-hander Jorge De La Rosa be a serious candidate for the National League Cy Young Award, and maybe even win the honor?”

      “Maybe even win” is not a defensible statement.

  3. chip56 - Sep 7, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    He didn’t say that he deserves to win the Cy Young award, he said he deserves consideration. There’s a big difference between the two.

  4. yahmule - Sep 8, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    Ringolsby is a blustery toady who serves at the pleasure of his Monfort overlords.

    • ezthinking - Sep 8, 2013 at 1:58 AM

      And mules are bred to not think but to haul shit. So want was your point again?

      • yahmule - Sep 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        The point was pretty clear. Just not easy easy enough for you to understand apparently. Fetal alcohol syndrome has really thrown some challenges in your path, but don’t give up, little guy.

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