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Derek Jeter is VHS

Sep 12, 2013, 11:03 AM EDT

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Grant Brisbee pretty ably sums up the future of Derek Jeter at shortstop for the New York Yankees. Specifically, that he has none. That even if he exercises his player option for next year and comes back it’s likely to be as the Yankees DH/utility guy because he’ll be 40 and shortstops just don’t play at 40.

His analogy is a good one: Jeter is VHS and Brendan Ryan (or whoever else the Yankees get t play short) is Blu Ray. Jeter is a damn fine movie — a much better one than Ryan is — but as we’ve all learned over the past 15 years or so, you’ll watch a crappy movie on DVD over a good movie on VHS almost every time. Brisbee’s kicker:

It seems obvious, but Jeter’s injury is making it close to official. Even if Jeter exercises his player option, the Yankees are going to dissuade him politely from thoughts of shortstop. And then he’ll hit .300/.380/.480 as a DH to help the Yankees to another absurd playoff run (Rich Harden: 10-2, 2.33 ERA). . We’ve seen the last of Jeter at shortstop. There’s no way the Yankees are going back to VHS.

Seems about right.

  1. cur68 - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    If Jeter’s VHS then the rest of us are 8mm film stock. In my case, black & white.

    Anyhow, this is prolly it for The Captain. He’s on his Farewell Tour next season I bet. He’ll DH, hit reasonably well enough for people to talk about one more season, and then he should retire to sit on a porch with Mo & Larry Jones and heckle the kids.

    • raysfan1 - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      I’m probably stop-motion photography.

      I expect next he plays DH and part-time shortstop, but I do think that as long as he stays healthy he might return in 2015 too, as he would be likely to get to the top 5 all time in total base hits–if he is willing to take a big pay cut.

      • jarathen - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        let’s just cut to Daguerreotype process and assume most of us dwell there.

      • cur68 - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

        Many have described my ball playing as “Wooden Cut Out”, so perhaps I should aspire to Daguerreotype?

      • historiophiliac - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        Shake it like a Polaroid picture!

    • proudlycanadian - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      Good morning Cur. You mentioned Larry and Mo; however, someone else will have to play the role of Curley as Jeter follically challenged.

      • bravojawja - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

        So was Curley.

      • proudlycanadian - Sep 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        You win.

      • bravojawja - Sep 12, 2013 at 2:10 PM

        Woo hoo!

  2. detectivejimmymcnulty - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Sure when you compare defense.

    Comparing Ryan’s and Jeter’s offense is like comparing Blu ray to radio. As in, what is there to compare?

    • km9000 - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

      I think they covered that in the analogy. Jeter overall = better movie.

  3. Liam - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    I was going to suggest Eduardo Nunez would be the SS, but UZR has him at an absurd -34.9/150 for his career. Jhonny Peralta maybe?

    • polonelmeagrejr - Sep 13, 2013 at 6:43 AM

      pity the poor writer sadddled with a dopey analogy that he feels the neeed to stick to.

  4. danindelray - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    You mean the way the Yankees managed to convince Jeter that he should move off SS the last time his contract came up? Yeah, that worked awfully well.

    Here’s a fact few people are willing to recognize: Jeter is one of the most egotistical players in the game today, and he will continue to insist that he is a shortstop, and a starting shortstop at that. He will not finish his career as a utility player/DH. He’ll play, poorly, 4-5 days a week at SS. And he will force the Yankees to allow it, because he is, after all, Saint Derek.

    And I don’t care how many thumbs down I get, in all y’all’s heart of hearts, you know I am right. You just won’t admit it.

    • bravojawja - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

      I don’t think you understand The Jeter Narrative (coming soon to a theater near you, starring Matt Damon!) – it’s not that he’s egotistical, it’s that he has Pride and Honor and shit.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Sep 12, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        Jeter won’t be moved. He threatened the wives of Randy Levine and the Steinbrenners with gift baskets unless he is allowed to play short.

  5. bills399 - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    jeter could slide to third and platoon dh and third with youkillis. anyway I love when the media says jeter is done because then he comes back and hits 320

    • Francisco (FC) - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      The only way Jeter slides to 3rd is when he’s legging out a triple. I think he has too much pride to admit he can’t be a shortstop anymore. But I could be wrong.

      • proudlycanadian - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        Legging out a triple? Not sure if he can run that far anymore.

    • stoutfiles - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM

      The media was aying he was done early this year, and then he went and hit .190.

      Even if Jeter decided to DH (the only way he’ll hit anything close to .300 with his age), he’s a slow slap single hitter now. You’re wasting the DH spot by putting him there.

      I know the whole farewell thing is fun, but the Yankees should be trying to win ballgames, not celebrate Jeter for X years as he costs them games by being washed up. Get a new SS and try to win games.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        It really is time for Jeter to pass on the mantle of the bat. Baseball bat of course.

    • jwbiii - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:51 AM

      Youkilis? Do you really think that Youkilis will be back with the Yankees?

    • anxovies - Sep 12, 2013 at 2:20 PM

      My guess is also that he goes to 3rd. I doubt that Youklis will last through spring training and Jeter will end up there every day, at least until Rodriguez comes back from his 50 day suspension after arbitration. He won’t like it but he’ll do it to play one more season, and probably have a superior year.

  6. yankeesfanlen - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Poor Beep-beep.
    Will be difficult to replicate his GIDP performance.

    • bigharold - Sep 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

      Len is zat you!! Could’ve used a few “Leave A-Rod Alone”‘s the last couple of months.

  7. jonathanconverse - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    My Aunty Clara recently got Ford F-450 just by some parttime working online at home… learn the facts here now… http:\\x­u­ℛ­l.e­s/dvefh

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM

      Oh god, here comes the Ford debate again!

      • historiophiliac - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

        My dad bitches about Fix Or Repair Daily, but guess what kind of truck he bought?

      • nbjays - Sep 12, 2013 at 3:00 PM

        My Ford-loving friend’s stock answer to “Fix Or Repair Daily” or “Found On Road Dead” was always “Fuck Off – Runs Dandy”

    • jm91rs - Sep 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM

      Why does your aunty need an f450? That’s way too big for an aunty.

      • indaburg - Sep 12, 2013 at 4:48 PM

        She must be a big aunty.

      • bigharold - Sep 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM

        “She must be a big aunty.”

        She must be a great big frggin auntie.

  8. ctony1216 - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    People have been predicting the end of Jeter’s shortstop career for a few years now. Eventually, one of these predictions will be right. But so far, it’s been fun watching Jeter prove them all wrong.

  9. scotttheskeptic - Sep 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    len, M. Young will be available as a FA, if you are looking for that GIDP presence in the lineup.

  10. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Let’s say the Yankees decide against resigning Cano. (Probably a good idea, as they should probably spend a year or two spreading out some cash to fill multiple gaps. Can’t they then slide Jeter over to 2B for a year or two? Or does that just make too much sense?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

      Jeter is a terrible defender, and there’s no SS on the market outside Peralta* that’s worth going after. So by not re-signing Cano, you’ve taken a serious downgrade at 2b and your SS position isn’t resolved either.

      Now the team has gone from a position of strength to a position of weakness, and the SS situation is still unresolved.

      *Not sure if the Yanks would want to deal with more PED issues.

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        I know Ryan can’t hit, but he’s an excellent defender and might be a good option. I haven’t followed the Yankees too closely this year, but weren’t Nix/Nunez decent options? At least at second Jeter’s defense will be minimized. Plus you can keep DH open for Alex and the rest of the aging sluggers they have on the roster.

        Obviously it’s not the most ideal solution, but considering the aging roster and the lack of talent in the minor leagues, Yankees fans should be prepared for a year or two of rebuilding and the pain will be lessened if they cut ties with one expensive player and spread the money around, as opposed to pushing everything back one more season, until the problem gets worse.

        Of course, a lot hinges on the Rodriguez suspension and how much cash that frees up.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        Nunez is a bad defender and bad hitter. Nix is a decent defender and bad hitter (career .236/.308/.311).

        Yankees fans should be prepared for a year or two of rebuilding and the pain will be lessened if they cut ties with one expensive player and spread the money around, as opposed to pushing everything back one more season, until the problem gets worse.

        Who’s the expensive player they should cut ties with? Jeter? He’s going get his pay cut in half next year. The Yanks have a current $228M payroll per Cots. Next year they’ll lose/cut

        Jeter from $17M to $8M ($9M+)
        Kuroda $15M (if he wants to go to a contender)
        Rivera $10M
        Youkilis $12M
        Pettitte $12M (if he comes back he should get a huge paycut, like $6M base with incentives for starts)
        AJ Burnett $8M
        Phil Hughes $7M
        Logan $3M

        That’s $76M saved right there. That gives them plenty of money to spread around and do things like, re-sign Cano, look at Tanaka. Keep Ryan around as he’s Arb eligible, and an IF of Cano/Tex/Arod can afford a defense first player at SS, either Stewart or Cervelli will be released. Cashman can remake the bullpen for cheap, it’s the starting pitching that can/will kill them if Kuroda and Pettitte leave.

      • rje49 - Sep 12, 2013 at 4:01 PM

        church, this is why so many people hate the Yankees. Listen to you- it’s all about money and what money can buy. I didn’t read anything about the farm system; as in bringing up a kid from the minors, like 29 other teams do occasionally. Nope, just buy your team. THAT’s why everybody loves the Pirates now.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Sep 12, 2013 at 9:38 PM

        Nope, just buy your team. THAT’s why everybody loves the Pirates now.

        Because I was responding to someone’s comment about getting rid of an expensive player, and explained why the Yanks didn’t need to. They have a ton of money coming off the books.

        However, let’s look at the Yanks this year, and what would have been their starting line up if everyone was healthy.

        C – Stewart – waiver pickup, Cervelli – farm
        1b – Teixeira – FA, Overbay, waiver pickup
        2b – Cano – farm
        SS – Jeter – farm
        3b – Arod – trade/fA
        LF – Wells – farm
        CF – Gardner – farm
        LF – Ichiro trade/fA
        DH – Hafner – FA

        Two FAs, rest acquired via farm and/or trade. 2/9 players, is this really something to complain about? How about pitching:

        CC – FA
        Kuroda – FA
        Nova – farm
        Phelps – farm
        Nuno – farm
        Hughes – farm
        Pettitte – farm/FA
        Huff – waiver pickup
        Chamberlain – farm
        Kelley – trade
        Robertson – farm
        Logan – trade
        Rivera – farm

        This isn’t the Yankees of old where everyone is a FA. But keep beating that drum when you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

      • mazblast - Sep 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM

        church–Wells is not “farm” (or a major league player anymore, but I digress). And counting Jeter and Rivera as “farm” as proof that the Yankees are so internal-candidate oriented, when they came up over 15 years ago, is a little disingenuous.

        While the Yankees have not been as “but-a-pennant” in the last few years as before, they also haven’t been producing internal candidates to replace their aging stars. Why? Because they use their “guaranteed future HOF” guys as trade bait. Their much-hyped farm players haven’t really produced, even when given the chance. Remember how Joba/Hughes/Kennedy was going to dominate the league?

  11. forsch31 - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    >>”you’ll watch a crappy movie on DVD over a good movie on VHS almost every time.”

    Bad analogy. Until the fairly recently arrival of Made-to-Order DVDs, there were many films that simply weren’t available on DVD, and the only way to watch them was on VHS. And we watched them because, hey, it’s a good movie, and I’d rather not waste 2 hours of my life watching a crappy one simply because it’s got a better picture. Which is why I still have a handful of VHS tapes and a VCR.

    • Innocent Bystander - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      Agreed. This is a terrible analogy. I would rather watch a Tuesday evening, April game between the Astros and Mariners on a 12” rabbit-ear B&W TV then the Super Bowl on a 60” HD LED. The content of the program trumps the method in which it is delivered.

  12. southofheaven81 - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    They should have moved Jeter to the outfield a couple years ago. Even last year he still got down the line fast & had a strong throwing arm. Now he’s probably ruined for that too.

  13. chip56 - Sep 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Write off Derek Jeter at your own risk. Yes this has been a crappy, injury plagued year, but I wouldn’t bet against a motivated Jeter in his last season doing something special.

    • zzalapski - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      Define “something special” and we’ll see how many people here would bet against that.

      • chip56 - Sep 12, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        More in line with what he did in 2012: .315 – .320 BA, 15 – 20 HR, OPS between .790 and .800 playing mostly at SS.

      • zzalapski - Sep 13, 2013 at 2:23 AM

        Jeter’s top ten B-Ref comps through his age 38 season (2012) are Craig Biggio, Charlie Gehringer, Cal Ripken, Pete Rose, Johnny Damon, Ivan Rodriguez, Frankie Frisch, Ted Simmons, Paul Molitor, and Lou Whitaker.

        Only Biggio, Molitor, Rose, and Ripken were still in the majors at age 40. Biggio played 140+ games at 2B with a decent glove (0.0 dWAR) and popped 54 extra-base hits, but was otherwise an offensive black hole (84 OPS+), Ripken was an even worse hitter at 3B (70 OPS+). Rose and Molitor were much better at the plate — above-average, actually — but Rose played 1B and Molitor was almost exclusively a DH.

        So I would bet against any 40-year-old middle infielder approximating the line you have defined, even one as special as Jeter. Doesn’t mean I hope it doesn’t happen — it’d make for a great story, and the Yankees would be a better team as a result — but the odds are almost insurmountable in this context.

    • chukpark - Sep 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

      Don’t forget that Jeter broke his ankle fielding a routine ground ball. Since then he’s played 17 games and batted .190. I think the only way Jeter has even a little chance of staying healthy for a month is to DH. But the odds are still against him staying healthy that long. The guy is done. He won’t ever bat above .250 again. He’ll play less than half the season. And he never gets another double-digit home run total.

      • chip56 - Sep 13, 2013 at 12:06 PM

        Just because he got unlucky and broke his ankle doesn’t mean he’s a fragile egg.

        The timing of the broken ankle screwed him up. He couldn’t work out over the winter, which meant he came to spring training out of shape; pushed himself too hard too fast and made the situation worse.

        Give him a full winter to do his normal routine and he’ll be fine.

  14. km9000 - Sep 12, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    This might be a better analogy… Jeter is a classic movie, on a used, worn, scratched bluray disc. And he’s priced like a new, limited collector’s edition combo pack.

    His replacement is a mint condition disc of a mediocre movie, which at least plays reliably. And Ryan’s D is like a really awesome audio track; its value depends on whom you ask.

  15. IdahoMariner - Sep 12, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    i could watch brendan ryan play shortstop all season, for any team. it’s a beautiful thing to watch someone so good at their game.

    in related thoughts, why can’t you have your pitcher hit and save the dh to hit for your worst-hitting position player? because i loved watching felix hit, and then ryan would be left to do what he does….

    • historiophiliac - Sep 12, 2013 at 9:24 PM

      I feel the same way about watching Jose Iglesias now — except he’s not that bad of a hitter.

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