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Tweets of the Day: The Conflict That is Baseball

Sep 26, 2013, 1:00 PM EDT

Not gonna lie. Saw my friend Harper’s tweets last night as he sat in the stands at AT&T Park and nodded. I’ve had the same thought process too. I then chuck it, say “nobody’s perfect,” and enjoy the game. But it is weird to think about the unique place baseball, and professional sports at large, really, holds in society:

 

 

  1. stex52 - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    I resemble that series of remarks.

  2. chacochicken - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Humans are exceptional at compartmentalizing data, especially that which conflicts with existing data and/or emotion.

    • shaggylocks - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM

      Keep the government out of my Medicare!

  3. rbj1 - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    And Hardballtalk is at NBCsports which is part of a huge corporation funded by advertising.

    • chacochicken - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:30 PM

  4. schlom - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    They don’t allow women to play?

    • raysfan1 - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:51 PM

      My thought exactly. Present a GM, especially one in a small market needing more exposure/fans in the stands, with a woman good enough to be on a 25 man roster and watch him trip all over himself rushing to sign her.

    • misterscmo - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      The day comes that a young lady comes along that lights up three digits on a radar gun is the day that the No Girl Rule goes out the window.

      • rbj1 - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        You don’t need 100 mph. Think knuckleball.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        I refer you to the macho post from earlier today.

    • jwbiii - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      Eri Yoshida.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=yoshid001eri

      • dwishinsky - Sep 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        7.62 ERA. 2.0 K/9, 6.6 BB/9… in Independent ball. Not looking good for Ms. Yoshida.

  5. percychuggs - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Baseball doesn’t allow women to play because there isn’t a woman on Earth who is talented enough at baseball to make it in the Major Leagues. And that’s not a sexist remark, it’s a fact.

    • cohnjusack - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM

      Calling it a “fact” without any evidence is, in fact, sexist.

      Now, if you could provide data showing that segregating female sports(and in the case of baseball, forcing them into a radically altered version of the game, Softball) from male sports at early childhood does not inhibit the development, and therefore women aren’t talented enough, well then, you would be on to something!

      In the meantime, are you saying that throughout the last 100 years, that not a single women, with proper training, could replicate Juan Delis’s 1955 season? (23 OPS+ in 132 at bats).

      • cohnjusack - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:01 PM

        Fun facts:

        Let’s use an Olympic event as an example, and the 200 meter as a specific one. I’m just pulling this out of my ass of a random event, not fishing for an exception. This works because Men’s 200 meter is exactly the same as the Women’s 200 meter. Comparing each heat in the quarter finales for men that year compared to Joyner’s record (all are out of 8)

        Heat 1: 6th < 1 second behind leader
        Heat 2: 6th < 1 second behind leader
        Heat 3: 6th < 1 second behind leader
        Heat 4: 6th < 1 second behind leader

        The best female sprinter would have come nowhere close to embarrassing herself amongst the men. These are the elite of elite, and in each heat, should would have ranked 6th or 8. The difference between the women's world record is 2 seconds behind the men's. That's a large gap…but so large that you don't think a women could crack a sport with talent levels ranging for Pete Kozma to Barry Bonds?

      • brazcubas - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM

        Well, women don’t throw as well as men, that’s a fact. It’s probably evolutionary, though, last I checked, no one was actually sure why that is, since the difference appears well before puberty and differences in muscle mass and strength are not enough to explain the difference. It might be nerve structure.

        I digress, though.

        So, while there will probably not be any fireball throwing women pitching aces any time soon, I find it hard to believe that there are no women athletic and skilled enough to challenge the Juan Pierres of the world for a roster spot

      • The Dangerous Mabry - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        If you read his comment precisely, he doesn’t say it’s impossible that any woman could be good enough to make it in the bigs. Just that there isn’t one now. If there is, the media’s done a hell of a job at making sure we don’t know about her.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        *cough* Billie Jean King *cough*

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:17 PM

        Of course, if a woman did have that kind of talent, she would be forced to submit to gender-testing too.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/sports/olympics/olympic-sex-verification-you-say-youre-a-woman-that-should-be-enough.html?_r=0

      • paperlions - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        Um, Billy Jean King beat an old guy, that was a self promoter, owed money to the mob, and (if you watch the match at all) who obviously was not trying to win and demolishing the best female player in the world a couple of years before.

        There are games that men and women play that are the same…soccer and basketball…and there isn’t a single woman in the world with the strength, speed, size, and athleticism necessary to compete at the highest levels….testosterone is a hell of a drug.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        Really, paper? Have a nice day.

      • asimonetti88 - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:53 PM

        According to Guiness World Records, the fastest softball pitch ever recorded by a woman was 69 MPH.

        If there were a woman that was going to make the MLB, it’s safe to say it wouldn’t be a pitcher.

      • Francisco (FC) - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM

        the fastest softball pitch ever recorded by a woman was 69 MPH.

        Never mind the fact that the mechanics of throwing a softball pitch are completely different than throwing a regular baseball pitch. Mr. Apple sizing up Mr Orange here…

      • indaburg - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM

        Biology isn’t sexist. It just is. What I think he meant instead of talent is that women lack the physical strength to play professional baseball, and as much as it pains me to admit it, he’s right.

        Women are built with more fat and slower twitch muscle fiber than men. Think of the dark meat of a chicken. That is the composition of a woman. Whether we like it or not, we women were perfectly built for one purpose–the propagation of our species. We are vessels for carrying life and our greater percentage of body fat helps enable this purpose. This also means that we are physically weaker, especially in terms of upper body strength. Men on the other hand are leaner and have a greater percentage of faster twitch fibers–strong and explosive. Think of the white breast of a chicken. Generally speaking, a woman cannot compare in strength to a man of the same age and size. With those fast twitch fibers, men are good at sprints, while women can excel in endurance activities. With our slow twitch fibers, we can go on forever.

        Of course, these are generalizations. A male long distance ultra-marathon runner is going to have a lot of slow twitch muscle fibers. Six foot-three Olga chucking wood on a Siberian farm may be an exception too, but we’re talking the very skinny end of the bell curve here, the very rare exception.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM

        The evidence that the fastest women cannot sprint as fast as the fastest men is of course irrelevant to the baseball question. An older woman recently swam from Cuba to Florida. No man has ever done that. But that’s also irrelevant to the baseball question. I have no doubt that someday, who knows when, 10, 20, 40 years from now, some girl will master the knuckleball, or even the Moyer fastball, and if we still have the DH, some club will give her a chance.

      • NatsLady - Sep 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM

        y’know, inda–sometimes I wonder about that. I used to live on the 4th floor of a walkup above the Jazz bar where I sang. Had to carrry heavy equipment up the stairs every night. One day a young Marine offered to help me. I’m sure he could run 5 miles plenty fast, but he couldn’t climp those stairs with my amplifier–training, training, training.

      • indaburg - Sep 26, 2013 at 5:49 PM

        Ha! You showed that young buck!

        You’re right though–training, training, training. If he practiced carrying that amp up those stairs, he would have gotten good and fast at it.

    • happytwinsfan - Sep 26, 2013 at 1:59 PM

      what about madonna and rosie o’donnel?

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        Geena Davis!

  6. Stiller43 - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Saying something is a fact without evidence isnt sexist, its incorrect.

    However, dont you think if a girl was such a good athlete, she’d be playing with the boys while growing up and into high school, similar to some girls who played football? (Mia hamm definitely played in HS and suzy kolber at least played into her teens with boys)

    If they kept up with the boys and didnt eventually fall behind as the boys develop (girls develop faster so it likely makes it easier around age 10-14 to keep up), they would keep playing with the boys…

    They cant, and therefore dont.

    • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM

      Except in high school they segregate females to softball.

  7. DelawarePhilliesFan - Sep 26, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Dipping toes into “women aren’t allowed” quote.

    A – strictly speaking, the quote is 100% inaccurate.
    B – while you could find a FO or two that may not want the woman, most teams would jump at the chance to have a draw like that
    C – Men and Women are different. Different does not mean one is better then the other. But they are different, and trying to pretend otherwise is ridiculous

    • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      Okay, all you dudes are taking B as a fact and it is not. That’s an assumption you all make. It’s based on rational thinking, but any woman will tell you that the way we are treated is not generally based on rational thinking. You should not assume B.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:48 PM

        Which is why I threw in the caveat of one or two FO’s saying no regardless of talent. And okay, maybe that is too low. Maybe it is more like 5….or 12-14 teams. But my point is a woman with the talent to make the majors will find a path to the majors. It only takes one team, and that team will not be hard to find at all.

        FWIW – I have always said the first woman to play a Major Professional Team sport in the U.S. is Football. And yes it will – Field Goal kicker. Just you watch. And uhhhhh….the movie made of her life will make 42 look like a welcome wagon

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM

        Did you see North Country? They cleaned that one up pretty good. It wasn’t nearly as bad as the facts of the case. I used to be in anti-discrimination enforcement. I could tell you some stories… That said, I don’t know if a woman could play at the MLB level, but I don’t think we have a fair assessment at this point and it would be a harder win than getting our first female GM — oh, wait…

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        OK, I instantly came up with about 9 very tongue and cheek, and highly misogynist retorts to a female GM. But something tells me that no matter how many sarcasm font’s/disclaimer I give, some other poster will think I am serious…..and I have a daughter, who is the center of my world. So I’ll just chuckle to myself and keep quiet :)

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        Maybe along that same line, as I sat in a meeting last week re: our upcoming United Way fundraiser, I sooooooo had to bite my tongue to keep from suggesting using a carboard cutout of our president to track our giving progress a la Major League. he he

        Are you going to encourage the daughter to consider sports management? Free tickets for you, you know.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Sep 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        Nah, she isn’t too big on team sports

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 4:26 PM

        Booo!!!!!

        /throws gummies

  8. Francisco (FC) - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    I think Historio is correct. Because girls and young women are encouraged/persuaded/steered towards softball (in many cases dangling scholarships in front of them), there isn’t a large infrastructure in place to train, develop and create a pool of suitable baseball playing women.

    Men and Women may be different, but it’s cultural bias and sexism that’s preventing us from finding out if Women can compete at the MLB level or not.

    • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

      And they may not be able to, but right now, we do not know that as a fact based on evidence that is not skewed.

      • historiophiliac - Sep 26, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        Which is to say that I hope for a day when the Marlins pick up DH Marla Hooch as a gimmick so I can relish OG’s consternation.

  9. NatsLady - Sep 26, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Also, I learned not tor race men at swimming. I was a competitive swimmer as a child–and not a particularly good one. But I could beat any guy who wasn’t trained–easy. It was embarrassing.

  10. rjostewart - Sep 26, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    But it comes with a free frogurt!

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