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Reds GM says Dusty Baker will be back as manager

Oct 2, 2013, 10:15 AM EDT

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After last night’s Wild Card game loss to the Pirates general manager Walt Jocketty was asked if there was any question whether Dusty Baker will remain the Reds’ manager next season and replied: “I don’t think so. He’s signed for another year.”

Cincinnati has won 90-plus games and made the playoffs in three of the past four seasons under Baker, but the Reds have yet to win a playoff series during that time and have a 2-7 record in the postseason overall.

Of course, prior to Baker’s arrival the Reds had gone 12 straight seasons without a playoff appearance, finishing above .500 just twice over that span.

  1. deltachi8 - Oct 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    The Marty Schottenheimer of MLB…good enough to get you just this far

    • bfunk1978 - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      Yeah the Reds made it in spite of Dusty, not because of him. In spite of a sub-.300 OBP from the #2 slot ahead of Votto and Philips, and in spite of just weird stuff that Dusty does.

      • ezthinking - Oct 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

        This bad #2 spot argument is simply stupid. Blame Jocketty for providing shitty 2-hole options, not Dusty from having to pick from the hand he’s dealt.

  2. contraryguy - Oct 2, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    Dusty has just finished his 20th season as an MLB manager. In that time, he’s gone to the World Series ONCE, and that was over a decade ago. The success of recent Reds teams has ridden entirely on the backs of a much-improved pitching staff (not including Walt’s bargain bin middle relief pickups this year). If any residual credit needs to be handed out, send it to pitching coach Bryan Price, not Dusty.

    Also, has Brook Jacoby (batting coach) caught his bus out of town yet, and if not, why not?

    • thomas844 - Oct 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM

      Guys like Frazier, Mesoraco and Cozart are talented hitters whose potentials are being suppressed. It’s been obvious for years that the Reds (most of them, at least) have a “swing for the fence” mentality. Look at their batting averages: Votto was the only .300 hitter and Choo is the only other guy who was even somewhat close to hitting .300.

      The Reds need a hitting coach who can point out their mistakes better and prevent long slumps (which seems to happen way too often to way too many players) while teaching them the values of working the count and not falling for a pitcher’s trap over and over. I mean, Liriano was dealing last night, but the Reds couldn’t stop chasing his in-the-dirt breaking balls until at least the 6th or 7th inning.

      • stoutfiles - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:09 AM

        “Guys like Frazier, Mesoraco and Cozart are talented hitters”

        Wait, what? Cozart has, for the past TWO seasons, not had a OBP near .300. There aren’t words to describe how bad that is. Unless you think he has some magical “hidden potential” that has never been shown, ever. The only reason he still plays is because he’s pretty good at defense, Dusty loves him, or a combination of the two. It’s a shame Hamilton’s defense is shaky at SS because we’d have an immediate upgrade there for next year…instead we’re probably going to let Choo go which is a shame.

        Frazier was pretty bad all year, but this is his first year at being bad so there’s a slight chance he comes back better.

        I expect Mesoraco to improve greatly.

      • thomas844 - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:23 AM

        @stoutfiles Yeah, I do believe Cozart has shown flashes of potential as a hitter. Ever since he focused on hitting the ball the other way instead of pulling everything, he raised his season average from around .220 all the way up to .254 within the last month and a half of the season. He is capable of 15 homers and 30 doubles in a season which is good pop for a young shortstop.

        It’s clear that his main problem is being impatient (only 26 walks this year), which explains his bad OBP. Him swinging at bad pitches results in lunging swings and hitting weak grounders or pop ups. When he waits for his pitch, though, he handles the bat well. If he can consistently hit next year the way he did in the latter part of this season, I can see him being a guy who can hit .280 with 15 homers and 70+ RBIs. I’ll take that from a shortstop any day.

      • stoutfiles - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:29 AM

        Well, his main problem is a HUGE problem. Especially when screaming for three months that Cozart is, yet again, batting second when he can’t get on base. There’s a reason Votto never got any RBI chances; Dusty decided that the 2 hole would be his way of trying to wake up bad hitters.

        Eventually someone upstairs must have slapped him upside the head, so he moved Frazier in there who was hitting WORSE than Cozart! Just to top it off, he puts Ludwick in there to finish things off even though Ludwick didn’t do crap after coming back from his injury.

        I hope you’re right and Cozart turns into a better hitter, I really do. I hope they all do. But what I really hope is that the Reds start showing up for big games.

      • metalhead65 - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM

        cozart showed once he was moved lower in the lineup where he belongs that he is a good hitter. if not for the fact dusty insisted on batting him second because he is “fast” his stats would look allot better. he improved greatly once the toothpick moved him down in the order and put bruce in the cleanup spot. bruce seemed to take off there to but you know dusty can’t stick with a good thing and had to move things around the last week of the season. did anybody else know of the rule in baseball that says you can’t hit 2 left handers back to back like dusty refuses to do on a consistent basis? if they bring him back then they will pay for it on the field and off. the results will be the same on the field and off it people will stop coming to the ballpark. I am sick of hearing about how the reds improved under him,they did but it had more to do with the talent that came along during his time to. Votto,Phillips and Bruce came along during his time here and along with a young solid pitching staff. that had more to do with the reds improvement than baker. that pitching staff is now showing the effects of baker with Cingrani being injured and now latos along with Cueto and Bailey. that is not shocking news to anyone who has followed his handling of young pitchers in the past. call it coincidence all you want but you can’t ignore it. if they keep him and his dailey lineup shuffling then the reds will get no better and fans will have to be content with third place finishes and early post season exits.

      • smartz128 - Oct 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM


        Keeping Choo is never gonna happen regardless of being able to put Hamilton at short or not. According to Boras, he expects to get Choo a multi-year deal “north of 110 mill”. If you assume 5 / 115 that pegs him at 23 mill a year AAV. For a team that upped payroll by 26% this year after going from ~84 mill to ~110 mill, I don’t see that even in the ballpark of what they can do. But some team will part with that chunk of change. I would have loved to see an OF of Choo, Hamilton, Bruce but it’s just not in the cards. We really helped that as it seems that Boras is touting the playing CF thing as a way to wring more value out of a potential FA contract.

    • whodeybacker - Oct 2, 2013 at 1:14 PM

      Sad because the Reds are talented. But they are NOT DISCIPLINED and thats Dustys job. Poor base running, inability to play small ball, consistent failure to advance runners, failure to hit to opposite field when the pitchers consistently pitch low and away, etc…. just look at the Cards. Hate to admit how much better they are as a TEAM. Brian Price deserves a raise. Dusty deserves the door. Talent is great, but sometimes it needs to be directed to the teams goals. Didnt see that this year.

  3. bengalsucker - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    You guys should listen to Cincy sports radio. These guys defend Dusty/Jacoby till they’re blue in the face. Their point is “well Jacoby/Dusty can’t swing the bat for them”, “Dusty can’t play defense for them”. That’s the cop out excuse to not fire a coach who’s just not good enough. Dusty is a “player’s manager” meaning he doesn’t get fired up at anyone if they mess up. He doesn’t get on anyone if they look god awful at the plate. He doesn’t fire up anyone who continually swings at pitches in the dirt or 3ft outside of the strike zone. Inspiration and motivation is a huge thing in this sport. Dusty/Jacoby give neither. You saw how Dusty treated the Phillips/CTrent debacle where Phillips barged into Dusty’s office during a presser to belittle a reporter. Dusty did absolutely NOTHING! He sat and grinned. Then had the nerve to tell the reporter that the issue was between him (the reporter) and Phillips. Are you kidding? Phillips should have been told to get the f*** out and he should have been benched for a game or so. If even for just barging into Dusty’s office uninvited during a presser. Dusty will never get this team past the first round of the playoffs. Yet the GM/Owner of this team are perfectly content with that apparently. He’s the Marvin Lewis of the MLB. Just ironic they’re both coaching in the same city.

    • willwillows - Oct 3, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      See my comment below – NO MORE MONEY TO THE REDS! No more tickets, no more memorabilia, no more nothing until Dusty is gone. Reds ownership does not care about you, only your money. So take it away. I’m driving to Cleveland to see a real manager next year.

  4. anthonyverna - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    1) I tend to think we think too highly of coaches in general in our society.

    2) Insert obligatory “clogging up the bases” comment here.

    • contraryguy - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:51 AM

      ‘Clogging up the bases’… lol, yeah that was sad.

      But not as sad as the Reds baserunning this year, which I’ve harped on once or twice here. If anything is a coachable skill, it’d be baserunning, right? Not just timing but running thru signals, running into tags where a slide might’ve helped, etc. If it weren’t for a late (and brilliant) appearance by Billy Hamilton, the Reds would have been in the bottom 5 of MLB in steals. Weak.

  5. riverace19 - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Thomas : you don’t wait for “your” pitch in baseball. That’s more like softball. I’ve been hearing about how awesome Cozart is for 2 years now and he has been a Popsicle hitter for 2 years now. I agree with Delta: Dusty Baker is Shottenheimer. The Reds win despite him. He just isn’t an insipirer of men. Plain and simple. The reds have the talent to win the whole thing. But get off Cozart.

    • bfunk1978 - Oct 2, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      So there’s no plate discipline in baseball? Just swing at whatever is up there, don’t wait to look for something you can handle?

    • metalhead65 - Oct 2, 2013 at 3:36 PM

      again cozart is acceptable hitter in the bottom of the order the problem is baker insists on batting at the top of the order whenever the need arises for a #2 hitter. look what happened when he was finally moved down after Phillips could not watch him strike out anymore or hit into rally killing double plays and went to dusty and demanded to be put back in the 2 hole. Phillips is the ultimate team guy and bats wherever he is needed and this year did well in the cleanup spot but could not take watching cozart not get on base. Phillips might have had an even better year if the pirates pitchers had not decided to hit him in June. he was hitting over .300 at the time but after the forearm pitch his average plummeted. because of the pirates need to they are tough by hitter reds guys on purpose all the time I will not be rooting for them in the playoffs,but I sure as hell won’t be rooting for the cardinals so I guess it’s go dodgers!

    • formerfan33 - Oct 3, 2013 at 10:58 AM

      As a follower since 1970, I have to say I am over it until Dusty is gone. I will root for the Pirates as I have an affection for the small market teams that get the city excited. The wildcard game was a joke as many of the players didn’t seem to show enthusiasm for being there. I think our 3-4-5 hitters really demonstrated it for all to see. I do think Cozart is the weak link of the infield and the Reds have a history of exceptional shortstop play, not even average. Choo – I can take him or leave him as far as the free agent thing goes. Back to Dusty – It seems very few fans are inspired to have him return…can’t imagine from a business standpoint any advantage for Dusty to return.

  6. earpaniac - Oct 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Dusty’s problem is he hasn’t figured out yet how to get the correct ratio of black/Hispanic players to white players for day and night games.

    (I still can’t believe he actually said that!)

  7. jm91rs - Oct 2, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    I would expect Dusty back and maybe Jacoby and some others to be let go. Someone has to be the scape goat for the Reds collapse. I would also expect Castellini to sit down with Dusty and figure out what it will take to have a little more fire on the team. I realize you can’t fake something like that, but if you don’t get up for big games you at least need a player that can do it.

  8. cindybe - Oct 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    I do not think he will be back. Cincinnati fans will not support his return….and the Reds need their butts in the seats and their money spent on concessions.

    • bengalsucker - Oct 2, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      I hope you’re right but sadly, chances are, you are not. Dusty will be back next year and we’ll essentially be told to “deal with it” by ownership and Jocketty. They’ll give us the BS that Dusty has lead us to the postseason x amount of times and has had xx amount of wins each year. They’ll completely disregard the fact of the ultimate collapses both last year against the Giants and this year at the end of the season.

    • jm91rs - Oct 2, 2013 at 1:51 PM

      If they fire him they are already $4 million in the hole for next year. Do you think enough people will stay away to justify this loss? The team will be in the playoff hunt again next year, and the fans will continue to show up.

      We all want the Reds to spend spend spend, well they can’t do that if they’re paying their manager to not manage. For that reason alone I hope he’s back and maybe a bench coach can be hired that can do the pep talks Dusty can’t figure out.

      • ezthinking - Oct 2, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        They don’t need pep talks, they need their bats to show up or be replaced. Sub-par seasons from left, shortstop, third and catcher, four of eight lineup spots, is a killer.

        Jocketty has his work cut out for him this offseason.

  9. whodeybacker - Oct 2, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Check Cozarts stats the last 7 weeks. They are exceptional. Expect Mesaraco to be the starter next year. He hits the ball hard but it is usually at someone. Phillips drove in so many of his rbi s by going the other way and driving the ball. Ditto for bruce when he got hot in early sept. Votto …… love him but it seems sometimes he outhinkshimself. Look at the # of strikeouts and hitting Iinto dps this year. LF is an issue. The big names on this team got their big contracts, so now they need to put ind stats aside and play for the team goals. Next year NO ONE should be off limits to bunting/advancing runners into scoring position if there are no outs. You have to put the pressure on the other teams pitcher and defense. PERIOD.

  10. dutchman45 - Oct 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Reds won over 90 games again and fizzled in playoffs. Team did not have the drive or urgency this year. Team seemed way too laid back. Too sloppy. Team needs a butt kicking to wake it up. I would replace hitting coach and make sure other coaches and managers stay on top of things. Seemed we are in playoff free fall. We need to take a deep breath, reorganize and start playing with a chip on our shoulders. The last two years in playoffs have been an embarrassment to REDS COUNTRY?

  11. willwillows - Oct 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Let me put this in language Walt Jockety and his owner/masters will understand – I am not spending one more frigging dime on Reds merchandise, Reds tickets, Reds anything as long as Dusty Baker is still manager. I will drive to Cleveland to see Terry Francona who should have been hired when he was available instead of Keeping this cheap date excuse for a manager. Read this -NO MORE MONEY FROM ME TO YOU WALT! NO MORE! I hope that others who read this will send them the same message. The Reds management does not care about you only your money, so keep it away from them.

  12. whodeybacker - Oct 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Well. Looks like we got our wish. Whos comin in next?

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