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Tigers snag late lead over A’s in Game 4 of ALDS

Oct 8, 2013, 7:35 PM EDT

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We’ve got a wild ALDS Game 4 at Comerica Park.

Coco Crisp put the A’s ahead 4-3 in the top of the seventh inning with an RBI single off Max Scherzer, who was pitching in relief of starter Doug Fister. But the Tigers roared back in the bottom of that frame.

Victor Martinez slugged a leadoff solo shot to right field in the bottom of the seventh against A’s reliever Sean Doolittle. A fan reached over to haul the ball in and A’s right fielder Josh Reddick argued that he had a beat on making the catch, but instant replay angles were inconclusive and the call did not get overturned. Jhonny Peralta then doubled and three batters later Austin Jackson hit a go-ahead single.

It’s a 5-4 lead for host Detroit as Game 4 moves to the eighth inning.

Oakland is up 2-1 in this best-of-five Division Series.

  1. APBA Guy - Oct 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Nooooo!

    • historiophiliac - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM

      I think I got grey hair from that. Sheesus, I’m worn out.

  2. peterjohnjoseph - Oct 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Ok, so Leyland takes out Peralta in the 7th to put on a pinch runner in Dirks. WIll this be as scrutinized as Farrell’s move in the Sox/Rays game yesterday when Ortiz was taken out in the 8th for a pinch runner, thus losing his bat in the 9th? If the Tigers win, will that move be genius where Farrell was over managing?

    • Reflex - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:18 PM

      Given how the scoring is going he shoulda kept Jhonny in and if he wanted Dirks in the game simply pulled Iglesias. Not like he’s contributing anything.

      • historiophiliac - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM

        sigh

      • Reflex - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:56 PM

        Iglesias has been by far the worst hitter on the Tigers this series. His defense has not been great either, including letting the game winning hit get by him in the first loss. Meanwhile Jhonny has been the best hitter for the Tigers, and only V-Mart has come close. Unfortunately his defense is not great in LF. They should get him back to his natural position where he is a fairly good defender so he does not give back the runs he is producing.

        I also liked the idea of putting Iglesias at third if you are intent on keeping him in the field and moving Cabrera to DH and V-Mart to Catcher. I don’t think its as ideal as just putting Jhonny at SS, but its better than the current situation of keeping a pitcher level bat in the lineup, a statue at third backed up by a guy who does not know the outfield in left.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM

      I haven’t been able to watch enough of the series to really judge the move, but how well has Peralta been hitting since his return from suspension?

      • peterjohnjoseph - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:26 PM

        He’s done pretty well. I’m not criticizing Leyland’s move. He did what he had to; tie the game and give his team a chance. I was mainly making a comparison to a similar move the Sox/Rays game that was heavily debated.

  3. poprox13 - Oct 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    “instant replay angles were inconclusive”

    bullshit

    • thebadguyswon - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:11 PM

      MLB knows Detroit in the ALCS is better for ratings.

    • peterjohnjoseph - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:44 PM

      To that point, if TBS is being at all biased towards the play, I don’t believe it has as much to do with ratings and wanting the Tigers to win, as much as it is not wanting to cause a controversy for the MLB and Umpires, and lose their good standings and ability to broadcast games. Its easier to call it “inconclusive” than to say, “those assholes’, or “I like the call”, and create a reason for outrage.

  4. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Let me put this in the proper thread this time.

    Terrible call. It was borderline on if it was going to go out or not, and could have been caught. The fan obviously reached over the fence and interfered with the ball. In the end however, the blame lies with MLB for not putting a barrier between the fence and the fans. Take out a row of seats and these problems won’t occur anymore.

    I find it hilarious that MLB.com isn’t showing any of the replay angles of this terrible call. Just one full speed replay of a strait away angle.

    • peterjohnjoseph - Oct 8, 2013 at 7:56 PM

      I honestly wish I cared about anything in life as much as most fans care about trying to touch a baseball. Men go straight up Black Friday soccer Mom trying to get the last door buster DVD rack on those balls.

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:09 PM

        I never understood the appeal myself, and I actually caught one. The only reason it was special to me was it was my 18th birthday and it was a pretty cool coincidence. I don’t even remember who hit it, but I will never forget the random dude in his 40s who ran over to me and tried to rip the ball out of my hands, all while the crowd boo’d and yelled at him. Then an attendant came over and made us flip a coin over it. To this day I will never understand what makes grown men act like 8 year old kids, jealous over the toys their friends have.

        (Now, if it’s the home-run ball that a guy hit to break a record and instantly became worth 5 million dollars, that I can understand.)

      • thebadguyswon - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:13 PM

        I agree. Its incredibly stupid. Bunch of failure Little Leaguers with their brush of Major League glory I suppose.

      • peterjohnjoseph - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM

        Oh, believe me, if it was a game winning World Series ball, or a landmark home run, yes, I would start throwing down like a ninja to catch that round lottery ticket coming my way. Its when during the regular season I see fans literally fighting over them, on the ground spilling beer on each other, and then not looking at each other the rest of the game I just don’t get it.

  5. tablescrappy - Oct 8, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    The Tigers don’t deserve to be leading this game, and if they win 5-4 it will be an undeserved win. MLB has no business keeping Pete Rose out of the HOF for betting on baseball because the level of poor umpiring they condone does far more damage to the game’s integrity on a daily basis than Rose did in his entire lifetime.

    What a joke.

  6. herkulease - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    It was obvious the fan reached well over the fence. There’s no doubt about it. Not even a Tiger’s homer can deny a fan didn’t reach over the rail.

    Fan interference of any kind should automatically equal an out. The whole what would’ve happen is a ridiculous cough out.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:11 PM

      The only problem with that, is if it’s an automatic out, then you may get fans intentionally interfering to prevent the opposing (away) team from scoring.

      So, yes I agree with you it should have been an out, but SOME level of judgement is necessary to prevent an admittedly rare situation where the home team fans are causing the away team to get outs.

      • daveitsgood - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:34 PM

        Doesn’t the MLB rulebook have something about spectator interference that calls for an automatic out in those situations?

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 8, 2013 at 10:03 PM

        The rulebook does include a rule about fan interference. It’s only the inclusion of the word automatic I object to. Kind of like how we object to an automatic doomsday device in Dr. Strangelove.

  7. butchhuskey - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    TBS announcers so obviously want the Tigers to win it’s disgusting.

    • peterjohnjoseph - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:07 PM

      You do realize those are the Boston Red Sox home announcers, and that Eck is also a former A. I dont think so.. Thats just how Orsillo gets on big plays. He was like that when the A’s won last game too.

      • peterjohnjoseph - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

        Listen to the call from the game when Vogt hit his single to win it. He sounded the same way. The same way he sounds everytime he yells “another magical night from Fenway!” and Eck talks about his “moss”. The other guy has been added by TBS though. They’re not calling Sox games to be unbiased, aside from the fact that Eck is an A’s legend.

  8. thebadguyswon - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Well……this 8th inning certainly renders the controversy moot.

  9. xjokerz - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    poor oakland fans crying.. those bums cant even fill their own stadium for a playoff game

    please STFU

    signed, Tiger fans.

    • edjimenez22 - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:24 PM

      Yeah, tell Victor Martinez what happens when you tell an Oakland player to STFU. You get punked and put back in your place.

      • xjokerz - Oct 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM

        really?

        Vmart went 3/4 today with a homerun…

        put the A’s back into place, if you ask me.

    • daveitsgood - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:24 PM

      I get it, you’re trolling here, but the Coliseum was filled to capacity both games, with the tarps coming off the 3rd deck, so who didn’t fill their own stadium?

    • historiophiliac - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM

      Dude, stop embarrassing us. Don’t be a poor sport. I was a good game and both sides fought it out. Don’t make us look bad being petty.

      • Reflex - Oct 8, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        Fully agreed. The A’s/Tigers and the Pirates/Cards series have been by far the best of the postseason so far. Some truly great baseball and fans of all of those teams can be proud of their performance regardless of the outcomes.

    • tablescrappy - Oct 9, 2013 at 12:11 AM

      In Oakland:
      Friday: 48,401 (138% full) – % is based on regular season capacity
      Saturday: 48,292 (137.7% full) – % is based on regular season capacity

      In Detroit:
      Monday: 43,973 (106.6% full) – % is based on regular season capacity
      Today: 43,958 (106.6% full) – % is based on regular season capacity

      Oops.

  10. georgewashingtonsghost - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    I don’t know, guys. When I watch the replays, I don’t see how Reddick catches that ball (regardless of the fan’s interference.) Plus, the trajectory of the ball sure looks to me that it was going to be a home run prior to the interference. Thus, I think the ump made the right call.

    • tablescrappy - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM

      Then you’d be perfect umpiring right alongside Angel Hernandez and CB Bucknor. They suck too.

  11. dtownbeatdown - Oct 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    All respect for Oakland Athletics organization… just not their fans.

    Lets see while Detroit fans were watching the baseball game, Oakland fans were on here crying up a storm. Fair weather fans at its finest. The game wasn’t even close to being over and Oakland fans were already complaining. Reddick was not catching that ball, from the side angle yea it looks like it could have been possibly caught, then when they showed head on angle his glove is going in the opposite direction of the trajectory.

    All I read from Oakland fans were how the Tigers were done already after the win yesterday. Don’t premature yourselves too fast, we got Verlander on the mound for game 5 and I can bet Scherzer will be in the bullpen again.

    • tablescrappy - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

      Oh please. Count the number of home runs the Tigers lost to bad instant replay calls this year. Go ahead, we’ll wait…

      The A’s lost two, both of which were 9th inning homers that would have tied and won a game, respectively. This is another replay call that went against them – a team that MLB has left in limbo on its stadium issue for five years. It is painful to watch them get screwed over and over and over by MLB, from the Commissioner’s office all the way down to getting instant replay calls wrong.

      A’s fans have some seriously legitimate reasons to be frustrated, so spare me your judgment.

      • historiophiliac - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

        You’re spraying.

        /hands kleenex

      • dtownbeatdown - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:10 PM

        THAT BALL WAS NOT GOING TO BE CAUGHT! It should have not even been reviewed, it was just to appease Melvin. And for the Oakland fans saying the announcers are bias?! That is ridiculous, you have a former A’s in the damn booth! Just pulling things out of your ass.

        Like Detroit has never been screwed over before… I can name every sport were a Detroit team has seriously been screwed over with conclusive evidence. It happens to all teams, this time the umps made the right call, its not like the umps reviewed it and were like “lets just wait here 3 mins so it looks like we are really reviewing it, but give it to Detroit so MLB can get more ratings.”

        AGAIN. That ball was not going to be caught, Reddick was at full extension and the ball was 2 and a half feet over his glove.

        Don’t forget you also gave up a wild pitch run, and a a double in the 8th that scored 2. So save me the frustration of Oakland fans not being able to give Detroit credit when credit is due.

        It was a great game and I look forward to the 5th game.

      • tablescrappy - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

        You were awfully quiet the last two games your Tigers lost. I’m surprised you have any kleenex left to lend. Thanks though.

      • historiophiliac - Oct 8, 2013 at 10:15 PM

        I was most certainly not quiet. Did you read the comments? Maybe I was Monday — because I had class that night and couldn’t be online, but it wasn’t because I was pouting. Feel free to read my congratulatory comments re: Saturday’s game. I’m not trying to pile you on here, but if you think there’s some kind of MLB conspiracy to screw you or that a call on the field somehow relates to the team’s move, then you really are just spouting indiscriminately. Have a nice evening. I look forward to Thursday. Eat ‘em up, Tigers!

      • tablescrappy - Oct 8, 2013 at 11:48 PM

        I did read the comments, specifically looking for yours because you’re usually classy and knowledgeable and I wanted your thoughts on Verlander and the bullpen. I didn’t see any Saturday or yesterday. It’s possible you posted after I looked, but I did look after the game ended.

        MLB has already screwed the A’s. Let’s be very, very clear on that point. They’re still in mid-screw as a matter of fact. I also think the A’s are the last team Bud Selig wants to see in the World Series, because it will shine a light on his ugliest ongoing mistake. But if you’re asking if I think anyone in his office has actually given umpires orders to make bad calls against the A’s, the answer is of course not.

        That being said, MLB has done the A’s no favors while inflicting both insult and damage to the franchise for the past 15 years, so when umpires cost them two games on replay calls during the regular season and possibly a third tonight, take it easy on A’s fans for getting frustrated. I figured a thoughtful fan such as yourself would appreciate your team’s position as Goliath in this fight, but I didn’t expect you to become a troll.

      • historiophiliac - Oct 9, 2013 at 12:27 AM

        I think every Detroit fan who is tired of the endless comments about how weak our division is and how bad our defense is has to be thrilled that you called us a Goliath. That would be a first for us. I have sympathy for A’s fans because of their situation, but I think you just rolled it all together there and spazzed a little — which is kinda understandable. I wasn’t being a hater, so much as yanking your chain at your little Bill the Cat moment. I wasn’t trying to troll you. That said, I don’t think it was a bad call, and we can agree to disagree on that.

      • tablescrappy - Oct 9, 2013 at 12:59 AM

        Yes, we definitely disagree. Much easier to be on your side of that non-call, but the rule is pretty clear. Also:

        Tigers: Valued at $643M. 2013 payroll is $149M (5th in MLB). Play in Comerica Park, opened in 2000. No immediate territorial competition.

        A’s: Valued at $468M. 2013 payroll is $62M (27th). Play in the Oakland Coliseum, opened in 1965. Has pee troughs. Immediate territorial competition: San Francisco ($142M payroll, 6th in MLB).

        Detroit spends it money wisely, which isn’t always a given so they deserve a lot of credit for that. But in terms of available resources, who’s Goliath here?

    • clydeserra - Oct 9, 2013 at 3:58 PM

      please stop this. There is no vast conspiracy against the A’s. the TBS guys are fine. As good as can be expected. When you don’t spend money on stars, you have no national interest and you don’t get covered nationally. Its about money and generating viewers to attract advertisers.

      We know this as a’s fans.

      Also, Bud selig did not order Ryan cook to walk two guys in the 8th, or have brett anderson throw a wild pitch before coughing up a double.

  12. darthicarus - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Jeffrey Maier thought it was a homerun.

  13. mtheparrothead - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    Just to clarify, you’re stating that we have to post on hbt regardless of a win/loss, no ifs, ands, or buts? Just want to keep you happy partner.

  14. herkulease - Oct 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    Where did TBS get the explanation that the Umpires during their review had to determine “what what might’ve happened” on Martinez HR.

    The rules seem very clear in that situation.

    Rule 3.16
    …No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk. However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference.

    My reading is if the fielder reaches into the stand he can’t claim the fans interfered. Similar to foul balls hit towards the seats down 1st or third unless a fan reaches over the railing and into the field of play or intentionally touches the player(Grab, throw food at him etc)

    Of course this brings up how much does a fan have reach before they are considered in the field a play.

    So were the umps determining “plainly prevent” part of the rule?

    • clydeserra - Oct 9, 2013 at 4:09 PM

      but the interference wasn’t out of the field of play. the interference was in play. Reddick (proceeding at his own risk) was out of play. He was not interfered with.

      “a spectator going onto the field or reaching over, under or through a barrier and touching a ball in play or touching or otherwise interfering with a player. In the latter case it is clearly intentional and shall be dealt with as intentional interference as in Rule 3.15.” (Rule 3.16)

      “If the interference is intentional, the ball shall be dead at the moment of the interference and the umpire shall impose such penalties as in his opinion will nullify the act of interference.” (Rule 3.16)

      Read in conjunction, the ball is at best “Dead” when the fan touched it. In play. Not a homerun.

      Accepting as truth that this call was blown, like the 85 Cardinals, the controversial call is not solely responsible for the loss. there was a lot of bad baseball to come for the A’s.

      So either way if Darling got the call right, the A’s lose, if he got it wrong, the A’s have a tough row to hoe and maybe lose anyway.

      I don’t think he got it right, but it would take an appeals court ruling and I know that ain’t happening.

    • clydeserra - Oct 9, 2013 at 4:12 PM

      also, Darling said after the game that reddick clearly would not have caught the ball. As an a’s fan, i don’t buy that,

      BUT, if that’s true I think he screwed up because that is admitting that the fan reached into the field of play which makes the ball dead right there. before it goes out

  15. ray0414 - Oct 9, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    wow. a’s fans sound like yankee fans lol did not see the game, but seen TONS of replays. that ball was NOT going to be caught. it was a projecting to go about 3-4inches above his glove at best, woulda been a homer either way. now stop whining about it and take your verlander beating on thursday like men!!!

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