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The Tigers to trade Max Scherzer? Yeah, I’m not buying that

Oct 10, 2013, 3:13 PM EDT

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Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.com writes today that it’s “a real possibility” that the Tigers would trade Max Scherzer this offseason. His evidence: Scherzer is going to make a lot of money soon. That’s pretty much it. No sources, no “insiders are saying.” There is one reference to “baseball people familiar with the Tigers” talking about how Detroit may make some major moves if they don’t advance in the postseason.

God, I hope baseball people are familiar with the Tigers. They’ve been around for over a century!

Really, though: while anything can happen, I’m struggling to think of a situation in which the Tigers traded Scherzer. In addition to being this years likely Cy Young Award winner, he’s a key part of the pitching staff. And the Tigers have shown no compunction about (a) spending money; and (b) dealing with Scott Boras. And those are the two factors — expense and Scherzer’s status as a Boras client — which inspires Knobler to speculate here.

Just not buying it. Not on this by itself. Makes little sense.

  1. aceshigh11 - Oct 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    *waits for historiphiliac to start sobbing profusely*

    • proudlycanadian - Oct 10, 2013 at 5:39 PM

      I believe that she thinks that Verlander should be traded instead. Verlander has not been the same since Kate Upton did a number on his “precious bodily fluids”.

    • historiophiliac - Oct 10, 2013 at 7:37 PM

      I can’t even take this bullcrap seriously. Are we trying to get away from the luxury tax? Yeah, right. Anyway, that would be a stupid move if you want to stay competitive, and Ilitch is no Loria.

  2. sdelmonte - Oct 10, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    They’re planning to trade him today. Right now. Why wait till he can point at a ring and ask for money?

  3. hep3 - Oct 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Has Knobler joined Heyman on Boras’ payroll?

  4. philliesblow - Oct 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    The Tigers prefer to iron out extensions prior to a free agent season. If Max doesn’t agree to one this off season I could see a trade happening. They already have 3 $20M+ contracts with JV, Miggy and Fielder. I can’t see them adding a 4th.

    If the Tigers could trade him for some young talent with speed to bring a different dimension to the team it could be a good thing. They’d still have an excellent rotation with JV, Sanchez, Dog, Porcello & Smyly.

    • dan1111 - Oct 11, 2013 at 1:46 AM

      I actually think trading him makes a lot of sense. They are selling high and would get a lot of talent in return. This year he significantly outperformed his track record, and it is likely he will regress somewhat.

  5. sandrafluke2012 - Oct 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Tigers have the best 1/2, 1/2/3, 1/2/3/4, 1/2/3/4/5, 1/2/3/4/5/6 punch of the last 50 years. Why wouldn’t they keep up?

    • Reflex - Oct 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM

      Forgetting a lot of great rotations, aren’t you? You got thoroughly debunked by the first response the last time you floated this idiotic claim. You only have to go back to the 2011 Phillies to find a better rotation.

      But I guess you’ll keep posting it. One thing I’ve noticed about Tea Partiers: They believe in truth via repetition.

      • historiophiliac - Oct 10, 2013 at 7:52 PM

        It makes me feel dirty when he homers for my team. :(

      • Reflex - Oct 10, 2013 at 10:02 PM

        You could do it more effectively and truthfully by saying “One of the top five rotations of the 21st century!” Which is both true, and hyperbolic at the same time.

  6. sandrafluke2012 - Oct 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Tigers have the best 1/2, 1/2/3, 1/2/3/4, 1/2/3/4/5, 1/2/3/4/5/6 punch of the last 50 years. Why wouldn’t they keep it?

  7. bigdinla - Oct 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Please call Atlanta.

  8. sportsfan18 - Oct 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Craig,

    With all due respect sir, and I like your posts I just respectfully disagree with your take here is all.

    Well the Tigers don’t have the Yankees money (or the Dodgers now too) so they are like everyone else.

    Verlander will be 31 next season and they owe him $160 million over the course of the next 6 seasons ($20 million in 2014 and then $28 million a yr for the next 5 yrs – his last season has not vested yet and most likely won’t).

    The Tigers owe Prince Fielder $168 million over the next 7 seasons.

    The Tigers “only” own Miggy $44 million over the next two yrs as they are paying Prince Fielder $2 million dollars MORE per season than Miggy.

    Miggy is only signed through his age 32 season but what then? Do you sign him for like 4 yrs til he’s 36.

    Verlander is signed til at least his age 36 season.

    For the next two seasons the Tigers will pay $74 million per yr for just these 3 guys and there will be pressure to resign Miggy so they’ll be right around $100 million for these 4 players alone until 2019…

    And then you get to ADD on whatever they would pay Max Scherzer to that. Say he “only” gets $20 million a yr.

    You’d be looking at $120 million a yr for only 5 players through the 2019 season (assumes they resign Miggy and sign Max of course).

    A FULL 21 Major League Teams had ENTIRE payrolls less than $120 Million dollars this past season, the 2013 season.

    At some point the Tigers will have to stop spending money… Detroit’s payroll this past season was $149 million.

    • pappageorgio - Oct 10, 2013 at 5:58 PM

      Yeah….the tigers will have to stop spending money at some point, but that point will be when our window is closed.

      I can see the tigers going into Max’s last season without an extension. He may very well not be re-signed when his time is up but the idea that he’d be traded while we’re still in our WS window is pretty far off. If the tigers fall short this year, I can see illich adding another bat to get us over the hump.

      After next season…..things may start being different and it may be time to reload if not rebuild.

      • sportsfan18 - Oct 10, 2013 at 6:58 PM

        They will continue to spend past their window because some of these huge contracts go to 2019 or 2020 when the players will be 36 yrs old and they won’t be producing the way they are now but they will still be paid like they are now…

        This ins’t the NFL where they may just be cut. The contracts will extend past the time their window closes…

        It will be worth it if the win it all.

        The Phillies got old and have a huge payroll but they were successful for a good stretch and won a title. That is what the Tigers need to hope for.

        The Phillies had the 3rd HIGHEST salary this past season and we all KNOW that they are beyond their window.

        Part of paying for a window means one continues paying after the window has closed.

        The Phillies window is shut but they are still paying for it.

        Doc got old and eventually Verlander will too. Father time is undefeated.

        Prince hasn’t been injured like Howard but I still don’t see Prince aging well.

        For NEXT season, the 2014 season, the Phillies top 7 players will earn $119 million combined.

        The Tigers are setting themselves up for having 5 guys earn around $120 million until around 2019 or so if they resign Miggy after his contract expires in 2 yrs and IF they were to sign Max to even $20 million per yr.

        None of us know the future but they could easily be another Phillies in 2018 and 2019 the way the Phillies were this past season and will be this coming season.

        IF the Tigers win a world series that is… I hope they do…

      • sportsfan18 - Oct 10, 2013 at 7:12 PM

        One other thing to point out.

        So many are bashing the Los Angles Angels for their high salaries of Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton.

        The Angles salary for 2013 was $142 million to the Tigers $149 million and the Tigers will keep going up if the resign Miggy and Max…

        Of course the Angles are going to have to pay Trout too…

        And finally, the top Phillies players signed for 2014, as I pointed out before, will make a combined $119 million and that is MORE than the entire team payrolls of 21 teams this past season in 2013.

        Can the Tigers pay Miggy and Max? Yes they can. But they’ll be paying for their core for many seasons beyond their window. Hopefully the get a title or two…

    • weaselpuppy - Oct 10, 2013 at 6:23 PM

      The Tigers will have new National TV Deal revenue starting next year and the local TV deal will increase on it’s expiry after 2016. Mr. Ilitch spent huge $ on the Red Wings in their long 13 year or so run before a hard cap. They will have to start to get some slots filled cheaply by upcoming minor leaguers in the pen, back end of the rotation and OF, but they will have the ability to run a $175MM payroll w/o affecting the current level of profitability, long term.

      Porcello and likely Fister will be casualties, as they have guys that can be 4/5 starters (Smyly and some guys coming up the ranks) in 2015/16. Ditto relievers. Castellanos will take LF soon, AJax and Avila will be a good bet to stay long term after their FA eligibility in 2016.

      Assuming a re-sign of Miggy and shift to 1b and Prince to DH, the only spot they really don’t have an answer for is 3b, long term. Solvable for sure. Max stays with JV and Sanchez to be a murderous1-3, with Smyly as the lefty in the rotation and a kid YTBD filling out the ranks (Thompson I hope).

  9. beelza - Oct 10, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    What has Mike Ilitch shown in the past that indicates he doesn’t have enough money to sign Scherzer? As long as Detroit continues to make legit, deep runs in the mlb post-season, Mike Ilitch will spend the money to keep Max. Define legit, deep runs as ALCS.

    Max ain’t goin’ noswhere’s.

    • historiophiliac - Oct 10, 2013 at 7:42 PM

      Hello, Little Ceasar’s? I’d like to order 100 large pizzas.

  10. Panda Claus - Oct 10, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Maybe they’ll trade Scherzer for David Price.

  11. Eric Chase. - Oct 10, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    If then win the WS, yes consider it.

    If they don’t, then there’s no reason to weaken a team with stars still in their prime, with another WS berth within grasp. After ’14, extend an offer, get the compensation pick and move along.

  12. xjokerz - Oct 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    uhhh…
    Tigers are about to let Vmart, Peralta and others walk…….

    clearly making room to resign Scherzer and Miggy

    Mr Illitch doesnt let great players walk.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 10, 2013 at 6:42 PM

      The Tigers have $107.8M tied up in 6 players for next year. That’s approximately 72% of the current year’s payroll. Scherzer is going to get a big bump in arbitration from his,currently 6.725M salary, so figure it’s at least $110+M in 7 players. Can you fill in 18 other players at <$40M with all those arbitration bonuses?

      • weaselpuppy - Oct 10, 2013 at 10:26 PM

        JV-20
        Max-14 in yr 3 arby
        Sanchez-15.8
        Fister-7.5 in yr 2 arby
        Porcello-6.5 in yr 3 arby (he gets 4 as a Super 2)

        Closer-open
        Veras-3.2
        Al-Al 1M in yr 1 Arby
        Smyly .5M yr 3 player
        Downs (L) .5M
        Alvarez (L) .5M
        Bonderman 1M

        Avila-4.1M in yr 2 arby
        Fielder 24
        2b-open
        Iglesias 2M
        Cabrera 22
        Dirks 1.5M in yr 1 arby
        AJax-4.75M in yr 2 arby
        Hunter-14
        VMart-13

        bench C Holladay .5M
        Kelly-UT-1.5M in yr 3 arby
        Perez INF-.5M
        4th OF-Open

        That’s say $150MM and they have 2b, 4th OF and closer open. Probably $12-15M to fill that (assuming maybe a re-sign of Infante and Benoit and maybe Peralta to play LF platoon (or Cstellanos promoted)? $165 or so isn’t a number that cripples this team for one year.

        2015 see likely VMart Hunter not retained, Porcello traded , so that’s 33M off the books to cover a long term deal to Max (and Miggy the next yr), increases on current contracts, bumps in arby for AJax-Avila-Fister-Albuqureque…and some kids to come up and fill pen and OF spots cheap….

        it’s all good cash wise til 2020 y’all..

  13. weaselpuppy - Oct 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    oops and 3.2 more off also in 2015 w Veras

  14. weaselpuppy - Oct 10, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Rondon for Downs though, same salary but up in the setup mix, or closer if they go cheap

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