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Gold Glove finalists announced

Oct 25, 2013, 11:16 AM EDT

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Gold Glove award winners are announced Tuesday, but in the meantime Rawlings just named three finalists for each position in each league:

AL, catcher: Matt Wieters, Joe Mauer, Salvador Perez
AL, first base: Chris Davis, James Loney, Eric Hosmer
AL, second base: Robinson Cano, Ben Zobrist, Dustin Pedroia
AL, third base: Manny Machado, Evan Longoria, Adrian Beltre
AL, shortstop: Yunel Escobar, Alcides Escobar, J.J. Hardy
AL, left field: Yoenis Cespedes, Andy Dirks, Alex Gordon
AL, center field: Adam Jones, Lorenzo Cain, Jacoby Ellsbury
AL, right field: Nick Markakis, Josh Reddick, Shane Victorino
AL, pitcher: Mark Buehrle, R.A. Dickey, Doug Fister

NL, catcher: A.J. Ellis, Russell Martin, Yadier Molina
NL, first base: Paul Goldschmidt, Adrian Gonzalez, Anthony Rizzo
NL, second base: Darwin Barney, Mark Ellis, Brandon Phillips
NL, third base: Nolan Arenado, Juan Uribe, David Wright
NL, shortstop: Ian Desmond, Andrelton Simmons, Troy Tulowitzki
NL, left field: Carlos Gonzalez, Starling Marte, Eric Young Jr.
NL, center field: Carlos Gomez, Andrew McCutchen, Denard Span
NL, right field: Jay Bruce, Jason Heyward, Gerardo Parra
NL, pitcher: Patrick Corbin, Zack Greinke, Adam Wainwright

On your mark. Get set. Complain!

  1. barrancefong - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    No Brandon Crawford again?

    • daveitsgood - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:25 PM

      Well that depends, do you feel he’s better defensively than Simmons or Tulo? I’ll grant you Desmond, but is there another SS better than Simmons, Tulo, ___________ or is Crawford in the mix for the 3?

      • barrancefong - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        Hard to see him winning it with Tulo at the top of his game, but definitely think he deserved to be among the finalists.

    • moogro - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:38 PM

      They forgot Jeter.

  2. chill1184 - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Eric Young Jr gets nominated but Juan Largares doesnt? Really?

    • ezthinking - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:33 AM

      Not sure why Young got nominated, but Largares was likely hurt by starting only 88 games in center. A full season like this one and he should have a real shot I would think.

    • xdj511 - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      They do it by position now and not just three “outfielders.” Lagares is a center fielder and obviously it’s a much tougher crowd to get nominated in. Maybe if he gets to play a full season next year and is still spectacular he’ll make it to the finals. It’s good to see EY Jr. there even though he wasn’t a full-time player for much of the season. At least the Mets will have good defense next season. They’re gonna need it!

      • gammagammahey - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM

        EYJ is not a good defensive LF. His speed makes up for some of his deficiencies but he gets bad reads, takes sometimes baffling routes, and has a weak arm. Compared to Lucas Duda, he looks like Willie Mays, but that’s no reason for him to be a GG top 3.

  3. eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    These are the results from adding in a proprietary advanced stat? This isn’t helping credibility. Rawlings needs to release the formula.

    • spudchukar - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      To date, there is no formula that works. Maybe someday, but it is going to take a lot more people doing the research, and the inclusion of many more variables. It is a herculean task, and one that neither Rawlings, MLB, Stats Inc, Fangraphs, Baseball-Reference or any other business to date have the funds to allocate.

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:58 AM

        That is simply incorrect. The formulas do work. UZR, FSR, DRS, etc. all do what they purport. No one is clamoring for one perfect metric, because the existence of such is likely unobtainable. Does the formula for OBP not work because it doesn’t give a complete picture of a player’s offensive worth?

        Fans know what goes into UZR, FSR, DRS, etc. Fans can directly ask questions to the inventors/keepers of these stats. The Rawlings defensive stat lacks credibility because it lacks transparency.

      • spudchukar - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM

        This depends entirely on your definition of works. Sure a car that tops out at 10 MPH “works”. So perhaps I would have been more accurate to add the modifier “well”.

        And at no time was I defending Rawlings selection process, even though my Dad worked there for 25 years, designed the gloves used by the recipients, and repaired said leather tools.

        Today’s offensive metrics are pretty much spot on. The defensive metrics suck, if you “purport” they accurately reveal talent or success.

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        The formulas work extremely well. They do what they were designed to do. Because there are error bars, that makes the formulas suck? Continue to ignore valuable information if you wish. What makes you think advanced defensive metrics suck? I’m sure MGL has already addressed any complaints you might have about UZR. Same goes for BiS. And I listed FSR in my previous comment. This really isn’t even an advanced metric (other than the regressing done by Tango), rather a snapshot of the wisdom of the crowd.

        What is the Rawlings proprietary stat designed to do? How is it doing it? These are questions that can be answered about other defensive stats.

      • spudchukar - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:19 PM

        I swear reading comprehension is a dying art. “Error Bars”?! How can info be valuable if it is dead wrong. And I hope you are kidding about FSR.

        I too, wish Rawlings would be transparent, and their track record isn’t anything to brag about.

        Personally, I think PMR is on a more correct path than BIS, but anytime you rate Pete Kozma’s range 4 times better than Jimmie Rollins, you know you have a LOT of work to do, and a qualified scouts eye is considerably more valuable.

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:34 PM

        Trying to call out my reading comprehension is a poor defense. Again you have not addressed in the slightest how these are wrong. Error bars are prevalent in all advanced metrics. They are a tenet of statistics.

        Why would I be kidding about FSR? I think FSR is a fantastic tool for evaluating the true defensive talent level of a player.

        Pointing to one outcome you disagree with is not a smart way to evaluate a metric. With that said, Kozma’s range might very well be better than Rollins’s . Defense peaks early and Rollins is well past his prime. And even if you choose not to believe Kozma’s range is better (or significantly better) why can’t Rollins have a down year defensively? Maybe he gets to a few fewer balls than last year. Maybe his talent level hasn’t significantly decreased, but his luck surely did. This happens with all the offensive stats, but we accept it because it is easier to see/judge the quality of offensive opportunities. And there are a greater number of offensive opportunities. This is why error bars are present.

    • jm91rs - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM

      It’s their award, what difference does it make how they tally it when the final decision is subjective?

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:39 PM

        Because the addition of the sabremetric component was supposed to add credibility

  4. twenty1miles - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    B-b-b-but where is Derek Jeter?

    • twenty1miles - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      And yes, I am a Yankee fan.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM

      That’s what the Yankees were asking all season

      • twenty1miles - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        He’ll be back with a vengeance next season. Or so I hope.

  5. contraryguy - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    No 2013 Reds pitcher had more than one fielding error… Patrick Corbin (who I had to look up to find out who the hell he is) had 2. Guess it’s nominations by dartboard at Rawlings.

    • itsbenfeldman - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      Kudos on fitting so much inanity into so few sentences.

    • bobulated - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM

      So by your definition, if a Reds pitcher made no attempt to field batted balls or any perform other part of fielding the position and thus made no errors, he would be deserving of a GG.

      • drewzducks - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:30 PM

        Hey, it worked for Palmeiro in ’99.

    • schm1471 - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      And who the hell are these Tulowhatzit and Simmons?? Cozart, ALL DAY.

  6. xdj511 - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Sure, I’m a biased Met fan but I hope David Wright wins. Nobody can barehand slow rollers down the third base line and throw runners out like he does.

    • gammagammahey - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:59 AM

      You’re biased, but that’s ok, so are the voters. I think Uribe takes (and deserves) the award this year though.

      • yahmule - Oct 25, 2013 at 6:05 PM

        Uribe has been outstanding, but Arenado deserves the award.

    • seeinred87 - Oct 26, 2013 at 12:43 AM

      Fans of Ryan Zimmerman would object.

      He obviously had a down year defensively with all his throwing issues so I understand him not being nominated, but from what I saw he was still rock solid on that play.

      That said, I’m definitely pulling for Wright.

  7. mybrunoblog - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    If Robinson Cano wins he’ll slowly get up from his seat and walk half speed to the podium to pick up his award.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:46 AM

      Pedroia would probably belly-flop and barrel-roll while picking it up, and Zobrist wouldn’t be there to get it at all as he is somewhere between SS and the OF.

  8. fukpittsburgh - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Orioles with six Gold Glove nominations and they deserve to win every single one. Too bad their offense couldn’t match their defense.

    • Paul White - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM

      Well, no. Absolutely yes on Machado, he’s a no brainer. And Weiters and Hardy have excellent cases, though personally I’d pick Perez and Alcides Escobar. As for Davis, Jones and Markakis, that’s three hell no’s right there. None of them even deserve to be nominated, frankly. The best first baseman this year was probably Napoli, actually, but he wasn’t even nominated because people see him as a converted catcher and nothing more. Either Ellsbury or Leonys Martin would be fine selections on CF, but there are several people better than Jones (Cain, Crisp, Rasmus, etc.). And in right, Victorino is as big a no-brainer as Machado is at 3B,. Markakis actually grades out as the worst defensive RF in the league.

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:26 PM

        Davis actually had a really good year at first. It didn’t get much notice since his slugging was the top talk of the town.

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2013-specialpos_1b-fielding.shtml#players_standard_fielding::4

        And I have no clue where you are getting your information on Markakis, who had exactly zero errors despite starting every day in right field. He also was third in assists with 7. (AL lead was 9).

      • Paul White - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:32 PM

        I’m getting it here, among many, many other places…

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=rf&stats=fld&lg=al&qual=y&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

        Number of errors is sort of meaningless, in case you haven’t figured that out. It’s not about the number of balls you drop or throw away. It’s about the number of batted balls you turn into outs, or runners you prevents from advancing/scoring. Range is far, far more vital that being sure-handed. And Markakis had the worst range of any regular right fielder in the league. That’s not my opinion, that’s just a count of the number of plays he made compared to his peers.

      • Paul White - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        By the way, your own link shows Davis with -4 Total Zone Runs. Not only below league average, but tied for 84th in a 15 team league. So I’m pretty sure you’re not reading it right if you’re using that information to claim he had a “really good year”.

    • APBA Guy - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:14 PM

      No way Markakis is better in right than Reddick. Markakis is good, Reddick is better. Reddick won last year and should win this year.

      You’re right about Hardy, Wieters, and especially Machado. Not sure about center.

      But Davis at first? Again, Loney is better, as is Hosmer.

    • rlivi - Oct 25, 2013 at 6:00 PM

      “and they deserve to win every single one”

      Strong words considering both Jones and Markakis each posted a UZR around -6 and Davis doesn’t exactly have great range

      • fukpittsburgh - Oct 27, 2013 at 10:59 AM

        the fuck are you talking about?

  9. perryt200 - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    I guess Waino is really regretting that pop up now

  10. countduku - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    alittle suprised Yan Gomes of Cle. was not nominated at C.

    • Jason Lukehart - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:07 PM

      What he said.

  11. Jason Lukehart - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    If they were willing to nominate Joe Mauer despite his playing less than half the season as a catcher, it’s a shame they didn’t nominate Yan Gomez, who played a bit more AND was better.

  12. sportsdrenched - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Alex Gordon, Salvadore Perez, and Eric Hosmer I’m not surprised to see. Alcides Escobar? Did they watch the same games I did?

    • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:04 PM

      Several (non-AL Central) managers have a known bias when it comes to Alcides Escobar. He makes flashy, highlight-worthy plays that managers are quick to recall. With that said, he actually was fantastic this year and is deserving of the votes this time.

  13. bronco1991 - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    I know he missed a bunch of time but Brett Lawrie was a beast over at third. He made 10 to 15 highlight reel plays in the month of August

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM

      Manny Machado.

    • APBA Guy - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:16 PM

      Sorry. Lawrie is good. But Machado will have a death grip on the GG until he moves to short.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:27 PM

        Machado/Longoria/Beltre are three amazing defenders. Can’t really go wrong with picking any of them.

      • APBA Guy - Oct 25, 2013 at 6:16 PM

        Church-I thought Beltre lost a touch of defensive range this year, which was magnified by watching Machado play. I’m not sure he and Lawrie aren’t about equal now. I hate saying that in a way, since he’s been amazing the last 10+ years.

  14. philliesblow - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    So Mike Trout is evidently no better than the 4th best defensive CF in the AL, yet his MVP supporters always point to defensive prowess.

    • stex52 - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      Well, in fairness his defensive prowess is being compared to Miguel Cabrera’s in those discussions. That’s a pretty easy call.

      Besides, we have no idea what basis Rawlings is making these decisions on. Fangraphs would disagree.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      My argument all along was that Trout did not have a fantastic season defensively, and people were basing their defensive arguments according to what he did last season. I of course was shouted down as a lunatic and heretic.

      • yahmule - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        I believe Trout’s defense isn’t as good as he showed as a rookie, but it’s better than what we saw from him this season.

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        In a seasonal award such as MVP or Gold Glove, this season is all that matters. And THIS season he did not have that good of a year defensively.

      • yahmule - Oct 25, 2013 at 3:31 PM

        Which is why you don’t see me making a case for him.

    • hansob - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      an average defensive CF’er has a lot more value defensively than a wooden 3B. He was probably better last year, so it’s gone from him adding a ridiculous amount of value to just a lot. And the offensive numbers, in the end, were closer than most people remember. Especially if you consider the 10 or so extra games Trout played, and the huge difference in baserunning.

    • rlivi - Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM

      Ya, he’s only ~15 runs better than Cabrera!

  15. paco53 - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Since I am a NL fan, I only can judge the NL. My picks: Russell Martin, Paul Goldschmidt, Brandon Phillips, David Wright, A. Simmons, Starling Marte, Carlos Gomez, Jay Bruce, Zach Grienke. Brandon Phillips and Carlos Gomez should be unanimous picks.

  16. jm91rs - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Billy Hamilton played a magnificent center field several times this year. Why isn’t he one of 3 up for the award? /S

    This has always been a very subjective award, and usually the reigning gold glover needs to commit a lot of errors to lose it. Or even worse, the guy has to be relevant offensively just to get enough national media attention to get his name in consideration. It’s really not worth the energy everyone is giving to try and figure out why so and so isn’t on there.

  17. weaselpuppy - Oct 25, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Andy Dirks? Whaaaaa?

    • seeinred87 - Oct 26, 2013 at 12:48 AM

      That was my thought as well. I see him play all the time. I would certainly not put him up there based on my own eyes. He did finish 2nd among AL LFers in UZR though, FWIW

  18. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Many people have not realized, but the 2013 Orioles will go down as one of the best defensive team of all time. They deserve every award thrown their way. (Because you know they’re gonna catch it.)

    http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/09/19/do-the-baltimore-orioles-have-the-best-defense-of-all-time/

    http://baltimoresportsreport.com/orioles-defense-best-mlb-history-44341.html

    If anyone other than Manny Machado wins for third base, they may as well dismantle the award.

    http://www.camdenchat.com/2013/10/3/4796762/orioles-manny-machado-player-review-2013

    • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:17 PM

      They weren’t even the best in the AL this year.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      How do you figure? Provide some evidence.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=0&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=7,a

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        Errors give us very little information. The Orioles could have been sure-handed statues. Push that advanced tab on that link your provided. See where the Royals end up. Then do the same with B-Ref.

        Royals MLB rank: 1st in DRS, 1st in UZR, 1st in RangeRuns, 1st in Total Zone Runs

      • paperlions - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:48 PM

        According to fangraphs, the royals were far better defensively as a team than anyone.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=22,d

  19. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Manny should win first, second, and third this year.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      If I was unclear, I meant first, second, and third place this year.

      http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=25,d

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        So for Machado you point to advanced stats, but ignore these same metrics when talking about Markakis and the Orioles as a team? Why are you picking and choosing when to use advanced metrics?

      • crackersnap - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:25 PM

        You want to witness something funny? Click on your very own Fangraphs chart above, then change the position from 3B to CF. Now go and try to find your Adam Jones.

        “They deserve every award thrown their way.”
        Hahahahahahahaha!!!

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        Where the hell did I say I was ignoring any metrics or stat? Yes, I’m using stats to help further my argument. Who the hell doesn’t do that? My argument was that Markakis was not the worst right fielder as was claimed. My argument was that Machado had an amazing year far beyond any other third baseman. My argument was that the Orioles as a team had a very amazing season and was one of the best in history. My argument was that Trout did not have as good a defensive season as many would like you to believe. I never once brought up Adam Jones. But I see the boo-birds and the down thumbs are out in force this thread, so go ahead and hate all you want.

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM

        To ignore something, you don’t have to explicitly say. “I am ignoring this.” What a ridiculous response. You are ignoring evidence when you write things like: “2013 Orioles will go down as one of the best defensive team of all time. They deserve every award thrown their way.” This is because the Royals quite clearly had a superior defense. You are ignoring evidence when you say, “Davis actually had a really good year at first.” You are ignoring evidence when you point to Markakis’s errors, even though you have exhibited the ability to sort FG tables.

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        So let me get this straight. Because I did not specifically point out any and all stats that prove YOUR argument, I am ignoring them? Do you even know how a discussion works? I make a statement, then provide supporting evidence. You make a counter-statement, then provide supporting evidence. What you’ve been doing has been akin to sticking your nose in the air and going “nu-uh, nu-uh”. Stop attacking me, and start discussing statistics. Or just keeps saying “the Royals quite clearly had a superior defense.” Which, again, I would argue they did not. They were superior in one stat. And how any of this has ANYTHING to do with the Machado video I posted, I am still pondering. But, a troll’s gotta troll I guess. Consider me out of this conversation. I can only speak to a brick wall for so long.

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 5:16 PM

        So much to dispute
        1. I am not trolling
        2. I did not respond to the Machado video. I responded to you linking to a FG advanced fielding page.
        3. I presented several statistics WRT the Royals, but feel free to lie and say I just presented one (I guess you didn’t ignore it because you have to say “I ignore” for it to be true). And I showed you where you can find plenty more. You have proven that you know how to sort tables.
        4. This information was all ONE click away from the link you provided for team defensive stats. And you used this tab later in this comments section.
        4. Davis was not good this year defensively.
        5. Markakis was not good this year defensively.
        6. You asked someone where they could possibly find Markakis being the worst-rated RF when it is literally ONE click away when on the page you linked re: Machado
        7. You say Davis had “a really good year” when the link that you provided no less shows how he quite clearly did not have a good year. Also, his ranking amongst peers is once again ONE click away.
        8. All these facts just ONE click away. And you don’t mention them. Why would you discard and/or ignore all this extra (more valuable) information?
        9. Find me one scout that has ever called Wieters a bust

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Oct 25, 2013 at 6:34 PM

        So much ridiculousness where to begin?

        1. I disagree. Your statements are designed to annoy and have zero basis in facts. Not just in my comments, but all throughout this thread. See your point number 9. (And that you have 9 points in your previous response.)
        2. Look up. Machado video. Followed by wild claim I am “ignoring facts”. Facts you have never presented. Should I have listed every person’s rank in each of the 20+ stats listed there?
        3. Yes, you presented four stats. DRS, UZR, Total Zone Runes, RangeRuns. I have been spending a lot of time attempting to find an explanation on just how these stats are compiled and how subjective they are.
        4. Davis was good this year defensively. (He had a bad range rating. That’s it. Everything else was average or above average.) Stop relying on one subjective stat.
        5. My argument was that Markakis was not the worst defensive right fielder as before claimed. Yes, he had bad range. That’s it. Everything else was above average.
        6. You say one click, but continue to fail to provide any actual argument other than prove my point for me, because I’m too lazy to do it myself.
        7. See above response. You claim proof, yet fail to actually provide it.
        8. Really? How many times are you going to list the same tired argument?
        9. And I’m done with you. Thanks for proving you have no interest in anything other than a lame attempt to troll.

        You can’t simply say “The stats are there, then fail to actually list said stats, and provide any information as to why anything is important. I can list off that Chris Davis turned more double plays than any other first baseman in the AL. But that’s a meaningless stat for a first baseman. There are TONS of stats out there, some important, others not so important, and things get even more merky when you talk about advanced metrics. You actually have to discuss those stats to make any sort of point. Or you can continue to tell me I am wrong without actually saying why.

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM

        Zero basis in fact? I am strictly referring to facts. Oh you don’t understand UZR? Just admit that upfront. But then don’t link to it. These stats aren’t subjective. You know what is subjective? The assessment of errors. Things don’t get “merky”(sic) with advanced stats. This is my whole point. It is better information. You use this better information to back up your Machado claim (notice the comment by first reply is to – it’s not a video). More information is superior.

        You already provided the proof! Go to that Machado link you provided. Click “RF”, or click “1B”. Then sort as you see fit. You will find that Markakis and Davis rated out very poorly. If you’re too stupid or lazy to click around yourself, so be it. Ignorance is bliss.

        Go to the link you provided for the Orioles defense. Click “advanced”. Sort as you see fit. Royals will be head and shoulders above all other defenses.

        It sounds like you have no idea about advanced defensive metrics. Which would be fine had you not used them to back up one of your claims but then routinely ignore them for all others.

      • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

        Seriously, has a scout ever claimed Wieters is a bust?

  20. Carl Hancock - Oct 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    I wonder if AJ Ellis and Russell Martin are going to be glued to their phones for the results hoping they win.

  21. jeffa43 - Oct 25, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Brandon Barnes… Trout even said he is the best glove in CF….

    It was unanimous by Astro announcers, front office, and any AL West announcer.. they had never seen a better fielding CF. That would include recent Astro 3X gold glove winner Bourne…. They thought he was even better then Cesar Cedeno.

    Astros were all kinds of bad, but there was no dispute in regards to the centerfield plays by Barnes. He was a walking highlight show, and did not make an error all year. Hands down the best I had ever seen.

    You can look it up!

    • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 5:21 PM

      He made three errors. And he had a UZR/150 under 7.

    • eightyraw - Oct 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

      And that unanimous among AL West announcers cannot be true. Gentry is an elite CFer. These same announcers have recently witnessed healthy versions of Franklin Gutierrez and Peter Bourjos patrolling CF. Brandon Barnes is above-average defensively and he makes some highlight worthy catches. But temper the enthusiasm

  22. druhlman - Oct 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Can’t wait until Iglesias and Simmons dominate the SS GG’s for the foreseeable future. Both are sickly slick in the field.

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