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The Angels may be willing to trade Mark Trumbo for pitching

Oct 29, 2013, 8:20 AM EDT

Or Peter Bourjos for that matter says Buster Olney:

 

Trading Bourjos would cost them an excellent defender but an up-and-down hitter who only played 55 games for them last season. He could be valuable to a team in need of a center fielder, however. Trumbo sports a lot of power — he hit 34, 32 and 29 homers in the past three seasons and he may thus seem like the much more attractive bargaining chip, but he has a mere .299 OBP over the course of his career. Indeed, his OPS+ was a mere 109 to Bourjos’ 102 last season.

The Angels certainly need to do something, as they were fifth worse in the American League in runs allowed in 2013. Some pitching would be nice.

  1. jarathen - Oct 29, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    Unless they’re willing to break the bank for certain Japanese or Korean pitchers, yes, they’ll have to trade away some of their depth. Kole Calhoun is probably serviceable in the outfield, though he’s more likely a 4th outfielder, but the Angels have two of those with JB Shuck on the roster, anyway.

    They also don’t have Vargas next year, so even what pitching depth was cobbled together at the end of last season (Weaver, in decline but still effective, Wilson, Richards, Vargas, Williams) is less than it was.

    Luckily, Homer Joe Blanton is still ready to serve up some tomatoes.

    • km9000 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      Wait, why is Vargas not re-signing a given?

      • jarathen - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        Because the Angels are trying to figure out how to keep Mike Trout happy while watching the luxury tax threshold. They’d like Vargas back, but he’s a 3/4 at best.

      • bender4700 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:11 PM

        Excellent point on Trout, but I’m not sure that Moreno will do the right thing. I really think he’s more concerned with big, established names. Which is maddening because Trout will be the franchise for 10+ years and is arguably the best player in the league. But with Pujols in town, and the ridiculous deal for Hamilton that’s not going to ever pay off I just can’t see how they can pay Trout what he’s worth, pay Hamilton whether he’s on the roster or not, and pay Pujols whether he’s on the roster or not as well.

        It feels like Moreno put them in a bad spot. Nobody will trade for Pujols nor Hamilton, so they have to pay those guys but still sign new talent and sign Trout?

  2. csmountaineer - Oct 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    I think the Reds would be a good fit.

    1) they need a power hitting corner outfielder that is right handed and consistent.
    2) they have a surplus of starting pitching and relief pitching. (Rotation: Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Leake, Cingrani, Chapman(?)) – they could trade one of them, they are not expected to keep Chapman in bullpen
    3) they have some pitching prospects (Corcino, Stephenson, etc.) they could even add in a Donald Lutz or jesse winker to finish the deal.

    this would give both teams what they want/need.

    • yahmule - Oct 29, 2013 at 8:58 AM

      Makes sense.

    • stoutfiles - Oct 29, 2013 at 9:44 AM

      Yeah, because what the Reds really need is a player to compete with Zack Cozart for lowest OBP.

    • jm91rs - Oct 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      Cingrani is left handed and cheap, he’s not going anywhere.
      Certainly need a power hitting left fielder, but they aren’t going to get one unless they can do something with Ludwick. No one is going to take that contract so I wouldn’t count on it.
      But since we’re talking about the Reds, why not go after Arroyo if you’re the Angels. He’s not a bad 4 or 5 starter and won’t be super expensive at this point in his career.

    • chiadam - Oct 29, 2013 at 12:03 PM

      Don’t care about HR when the player has a .299 OBP.

      • bender4700 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:31 PM

        That’s the problem with Trumbo, sure he can crush it, but most of the time he’s striking out, arguing with the ump as he walks off. Not sure if Cincy really would benefit with him on the roster.

  3. kash71 - Oct 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    The decision to go after Hamilton versus Greinke is still affecting them.

    • jarathen - Oct 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM

      Both on the mound AND at the plate!

    • seitz26 - Oct 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM

      They did go after Greinke. They didn’t get him. Then they turned their sights to Hamilton. It wasn’t a case of choosing one over the other.

      • bender4700 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:29 PM

        That’s not what I have read in multiple places, Moreno didn’t want Greinke, Blanton was supposed to be the 4th guy, and Hamilton would sell tickets and hit bombs.

  4. pbwell01 - Oct 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Hmmm, it seems to me there was a certain NL Central team poking around about Trumbo during the trade deadline – wouldn’t be surprised to see the Buccos join the fray.

  5. soundsofsuccess7 - Oct 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Moronic. Only guys producing are the young guys. For once keep them around.

    • bfunk1978 - Oct 29, 2013 at 12:49 PM

      Yes because Pujols and Hamilton are ssoooooooooo easy to move.

    • jarathen - Oct 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM

      The Angels have to deal from wherever their strength is and how well they can replace that strength. Both Trumbo and Bourjos have value, but ultimately they come from areas the Angels are deep – OF/1B/DH. They need pitching and can cover the outfield. Eventually Trout will move to a corner, but he should have some years to come in CF.

      A pitching-rich but offense-starved team could do well in a trade that benefits both clubs. These are two guys that won’t carry the team but can be valuable every day contributors.

      • crackersnap - Oct 29, 2013 at 4:54 PM

        Exactly. What would be moronic would be trying to repair your franchise by dealing from a position of weakness.

  6. losanginsight - Oct 29, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Wacha would have been the #2 in this line up. Too bad Jerry D and lil aarte don’t know how to build a team. At least Puljos is locked up for 8 more seasons. The halos are going to have to bite the bullet in 3 years and send a package of Trout and Puljos to an AL team and keep rebuilding.

    • bender4700 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:14 PM

      “at least Pujols is locked up for 8 more seasons..”

      Not sure that’s working out so good anymore though. I loved the signing, but his decline has really made it look like STL dumped the problem onto the Angels, but didn’t have to do so in a trade and look bad.

  7. dracko19 - Oct 29, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    Tigers send Rick Porcello to LAA for Trumbo. DET has Smyly they can promote from pen and are sitting on 4 Aces already. They are depending on a platoon of Dirks/Tuiossoppossopposiosppo right now. Trumbo is a huge upgrade.

    • jarathen - Oct 29, 2013 at 4:58 PM

      That seems to be a common match that comes up when people talk straight up Trumbo. My concern there would be the Tigers giving away more defense.

      • bender4700 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:18 PM

        But the issue is Scherzer is going into free agency a year from now, and how can they pay Prince, Miggy, Verlander, and Scherzer what they have to pay? Letting go of Porcello could prove dangerous. 2015 could be Verlander, Sanchez, Fister, and Smyly. That’s it. With Victor Martinez on the roster, why would the Tigers lose a solid starter for another DH? Victor is better than Trumbo in my opinion. Having watched both all year, V-Mart is the better choice for me.

  8. crackersnap - Oct 29, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    In other breaking news, NASA scientists have discovered that the sky appears to be blue.

  9. toodrunktotastethischicken - Oct 29, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Woudln’t be surprised to see Amaro JR making a run at Trumbo.

  10. redsoxchamp11 - Oct 29, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    How about price to the angels for trumbo and bourojos and a pitching prospect (do they have any?). It helps both teams, rays get 3 affordable arbitration years at 1b with power and a solid defensive CF. They could then move jennings to LF and have Will in RF. Seems to be too good to be true.

    • bender4700 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:19 PM

      Angels lose on that, isn’t Price going into a contract year? Losing two great players in Trumbo and Bourojos for a one year rental doesn’t seem too smart for LAA.

  11. jkaflagg - Oct 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Trumbo & Bourjos are decent players each with a plus skill – Trumbo has power & Bourjos defense – but have negatives as well that would seem to limit them to specific roles on specific teams. In the trade market they would likely bring offers for pitchers with significant flaws, such as Tommy Hansen last season. Good pitching is like gold; you’ve got to give up something of great value to get it, and the Angels don’t have a lot to offer.

    David Price is a good example. Last years the Rays got a blue-chip prospect (Will Myers) for a solid stater with two years of control in James Shields; and most would consider Price better than Shields. Hard to believe the Rays would take a package of spare parts for him when they’ve already established a higher value for a player of his skills.

    • jarathen - Oct 30, 2013 at 8:24 AM

      No way the Rays accept Bourjos and Trumbo alone. I’d imagine they’d also want Garret Richards and something like Caleb Kowart or CJ Cron at minimum.

  12. bender4700 - Oct 29, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    It really seems like the Angels have to figure out what to do with Hamilton. He’s only a year younger than Pujols, but Pujols is an icon, Hamilton is a very highly paid average to above average person.

    Weaver is getting older, and outside of Wilson, there just isn’t much of anything on the pitching staff. They lost Greinke, in exchange for Hamilton, and are all but tapped out in prospects.

    Moreno, big decisions were his (Pujols and Hamilton, passing on Greinke, letting Torii go) the team Moreno built a team that doesn’t fit how Mike coaches, and now they have hardly any real shot of getting out from under it for several years.

    Trading Trumbo and Peter seems like the only thing they can do.

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