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The Red Sox took out a full page ad in the St. Louis paper

Nov 5, 2013, 8:37 AM EST

As he was accepting the World Series MVP Award last week David Ortiz said he’d like to thank “the best fans in baseball.” I’d like to believe he was taking a jab at the idea that Cardinals fans fit that description. I considered it a “shots fired” moment, mostly because I’m usually looking for trouble.

If that was his intent, however, it’s not shared by the Red Sox organization. Indeed, they did something pretty respectable today: they took out a full-age ad in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch to give a shoutout to their worthy World Series adversary and their fans. Who the Sox give co-best-fans props to:

Maybe you think this is nice. If so, you’re not fully appreciating the implications of two spoiled and entitled fan bases joining forces in a Voltron-of-Smug. Really, if this allegiance has any wheels, we’re all doomed.

  1. stex52 - Nov 5, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    It seems like a nice gesture. And I agree that the disappearance of the “no fraternization” rule is a good deal.

    But I’m not sure I understand the purpose of this. If they are just “being nice”, it is almost too sweet.

  2. chacochicken - Nov 5, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    If what you say is true the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous.

    • Francisco (FC) - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:54 AM

      Dang it, now I can’t NOT go watch it.

  3. pastabelly - Nov 5, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    “As he was accepting the World Series MVP Award last week David Ortiz said he’d like to thank “the best fans in baseball.” I’d like to believe he was taking a jab at the idea that Cardinals fans fit that description. I considered it a “shots fired” moment, mostly because I’m usually looking for trouble.”

    Wow, you are beyond cynical if you really believe that David Ortiz was taking any shot at Cardinals fans. David Ortiz is an icon in Boston sports, hovering slightly below Tom Brady and Larry Bird. Do you really think he doesn’t genuinely feel that way? :(

    • petey1999 - Nov 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM

      Come on, Craig, this kind of trolling is pretty insulting to your readers. We know you’re smarter than this.

  4. jwbiii - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:08 AM

    The Blackhawks did this after the Stanley Cup finals last June.

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/chicago-blackhawks-boston-newspaper-ad-bruins/

    The Red Sox probably thought is was a good idea.

  5. paperlions - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    There is an old saying: “There is only one smartest dog in the world, and every boy has it.”

    Similarly, there is only one best fan base in the world, and every team has it.

    I don’t see this ad as any more than a public expression of good sportsmanship. Reading anything else into it is just rubbing sticks together trying to create some smoke to claim there is a fire.

    • drelms - Nov 5, 2013 at 10:34 AM

      You hit calcatera’s nail on the head. He loves to create controversy in as many stories that he can. Beats the Washington Redskin name drum and God forbid should a fan paint their face at a Redskin game. They can paint their face at any other game, that’s ok with calcatera, but at a Redskin game it’s quite different.

      calcatera, like florio, and costas seek to gain fame for themselves by being captains of the “Politically Correct Bus”. Can’t stand any of them or their work.

      • paperlions - Nov 5, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        I can’t agree with you there. The Redskins name is offensive. It is not used in any way other than as a team name because it is pejorative. Hell, the Redskins owner that came up with the name was an all-time famous racist jackwagon.

        I have no problem with team names like Braves or Chiefs (Indians is offensive in its willful ignorance, since Indians are from India and not the Americas)….but I do have problem with red-faces Sambo.

      • paperlions - Nov 5, 2013 at 11:51 AM

        I can’t agree with you there. The Redskins name is offensive. It is not used in any way other than as a team name because it is pejorative. Hell, the Redskins owner that came up with the name was an all-time famous racist jackwagon.

        I have no problem with team names like Braves or Chiefs (Indians is offensive in its willful ignorance, since Indians are from India and not the Americas)….but I do have problem with red-faces Sambo.

  6. pinkfloydprism - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    So, now anytime an athlete calls his fan base the best fans in baseball, he is taking a shot at St. Louis? You are looking for trouble, because that is absurd. Players have been saying their fans are the best fans since, oh…. forever!

  7. spudchukar - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM

    No matter how many times you flog this dead horse, you cannot bring it back to life.

  8. drelms - Nov 5, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    Once again calcatera is putting his foot up his a$$. Everyone says thanks to their fans when they win it all. Many more say that their fans are the best fans in the world. To my knowledge the best fans has never been stated to slam any other fans, until of course calcatera writes his wonderful story.

  9. temporarilyexiled - Nov 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Really, the only people who should be offended by this are fans in towns where they’re the exceptions rather than the rule – in other words, places that might not exactly be looked at as great baseball cities. While that’s obviously open to debate, there are a few places where this is no doubt salt in the wound. But still, it’s a major reach to get all hot under the collar about a nice gesture such as this one…unless…Craig?…Atlanta?…

  10. danaking - Nov 5, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    It’s things like that this that send Hardball Talk a little closer to my “Remove from feed” button.

  11. cliverush - Nov 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    The people of St Louis are the best fans and so are the Red Sox fans. Both cities love the game and their teams. The Red Sox fans and media who traveled to St. Louis received a nice welcome from people who are proud of their city and team. They are different from those of us in the Northeast when it comes to competition. We hate each other and it keeps the competitive edge going year after year. Having to compete against the Yankees is a difficult task and tempers sometimes flare.

  12. wisbadgfan - Nov 5, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    The full page ad was a decent and respectful gesture by the Red Sox organization.

    St Louis always has been and always will be a great baseball town.

    There is no other story here—no need to look for hidden agendas or subplots—-case closed—nice reaction by the Red Sox—-time to move on.

  13. jdillydawg - Nov 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Perhaps a “We won, you suck and always will – as will your town and your now foreign made beer does” message would have been more appropriate.

    Also, those two kids should be shown fighting each other, a little blood, and a few curse words. Maybe some video of their parents fighting it out too, maybe even a few knives in the works. Mom’s pulling hair is always an attraction.

    And death. Certainly there needs to be a dead body in there. Preferable a small, innocent child, like a 2 year old girl, who doesn’t even understand baseball. That would be a touching picture.

    Craig, I know you like to stir up trouble (and I’m all for it), so call it how you’d really like to see it. Be honest.

  14. NYTolstoy - Nov 5, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    haha dawg when you made that horrid description of violence it reminded me of a George Carlin skit. Put a smile on my face that’s for sure.

  15. numbskull111 - Nov 5, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    I’m pretty sure last year after the Nats won the NL East, Werth thanked the “best fans in baseball” when speaking in front of the crowd at Nats Park….was he taking a shot at the Cards’ fans too?

    EVERY player who stands in front of his team’s fans and addresses them just about ALWAYS thanks the “greatest fans in …” The idea that Ortiz was trying to troll the Cards fans was nothing more than us (as readers) being trolled by Craig.

  16. janknessgv - Nov 5, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Funny enough Craig made a reference to Voltron, whose rights are owned by World Events Productions and are based out of St. Louis. St. Louis robots 1 Boston robots 0. Take that Boston

  17. mtr75 - Nov 5, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    I love full-age ads.

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