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The Rangers could shop Ian Kinsler or Elvis Andrus

Nov 6, 2013, 2:19 PM EDT

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Ken Rosenthal reports that the Rangers are considering trading either second baseman Ian Kinsler or shortstop Elvis Andrus to make room for Jurickson Profar.

Kinsler is guaranteed $57 million over the next four seasons, Andrus is owed $126 million over the next nine. A such, neither would be easy to move. But neither would be impossible either. Of course, they could just pull a Michael Young with Kinsler and shift him to first base or DH. Rosenthal says that’s unlikely, however.

With Robinson Cano and Omar Infante on the free agent market, Brandon Phillips on the trade market and now Kinsler possibly entering that fray too, it could be a pretty darn insane winter for second basemen.

  1. miketreedy - Nov 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Having Elvis and Profar at SS and SB would provide a pretty athletic infield. Plus the Rangers 2 other two top prospects at SS and 2b at Frisco next year. Time to move Kinsler. Plus provides salary relief for another bat.

    • paperlions - Nov 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM

      Unless they get nothing in return, I’d be surprised if they got much salary relief. Kinsler has been declining offensively and defensively. He’ll be 32 in June. He’s been an average offensive and defensive player the last 2 years, and $57M is really expensivefor the age 32-35 seasons of a former MIF whose likely ceiling during the rest of his contract is as an average MLB player.

      When teams wait too long to trade a guy, his value is low…like Cabrera in Cleveland or Kinsler in Texas.

      • bjthrift - Nov 6, 2013 at 10:24 PM

        I think putting Kinsler on the market is a cover. I don’t they will mind hanging on to the guy.

        What they want is to get rid of Andrus.

      • paperlions - Nov 7, 2013 at 7:30 AM

        Doesn’t it seem really weird to want to get rid of a guy that you just extended on such a long-term deal?

        Players have bad years. His skills haven’t changed. The Rangers aren’t dumb, what could have happened over the last few months to change their minds from “we want this guy for the next decade” to “let’s get rid of this guy”?

  2. druhlman - Nov 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Maybe I’m missing something…isn’t Kinsler a bat? And his salary for a guy with 30-30 or even 20-20 potential who is not a liability on defense is not too much.

    • paperlions - Nov 6, 2013 at 4:12 PM

      You are missing something. He’s past his prime, and been playing in one of the most homer friendly parks his entire career. He’ll never sniff 20 HRs playing in a neutral park the rest of his career. He’s been an average MLB hitter the last 2 years. Even playing in Arlington, his power numbers are way down, and his defense is declining quickly….so he may be a liability on defense faster than you think. The last years of this contract look like they’ll be as bad as MY’s contract was.

  3. gibbyfan - Nov 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    has to be a deal in here somewhere the Cardinals

    • paperlions - Nov 6, 2013 at 4:18 PM

      Kinsler is useless to them.

      Andrus has 9 years at $14M/per left on his deal. He’s only 25, which is nice, but he hasn’t improved at the plate since coming up as a 21 yr old. He’s not horrible, but he doesn’t walk and he has no power. He would be a massive upgrade at SS for the Cardinals right now….but the contract length is pretty scary. I don’t see why they would take on that deal and give up a whole lot in prospects for the “privilege”.

      If the Rangers only want a “surplus” arm like Lynn or Kelly in exchange for the Cardinals taking on all the salary….it might work. Not sure how many teams would want to take on that deal…who knows, there could be competition to drive up the price. Drew was better than Andrus last year….I’d rather see him signed to a 3 year deal (which would have a lower AAV than Andrus’ deal) with the loss of a pick than see them trade for 9 years of Andrus.

      • rjostewart - Nov 6, 2013 at 6:17 PM

        Yep. Signing Drew is the better choice for St. Louis, even though Andrus probably projects as the better player going forwards. Texas probably wouldn’t move him for less than Miller, and – even acknowledging that the Cardinals tend to be better at scouting, drafting, and player development than most teams – a *lot* would need to go right over the next few years for the draft pick to turn into a player as valuable as Miller is to them right now (World Series non-participation notwithstanding).

      • spudchukar - Nov 6, 2013 at 6:21 PM

        Yeah, and the Rangers aren’t going to move Andrus for a #3 starter, they have to be looking for more than that. Plus I don’t want to give up Kelly and take on all that salary, hamstringing the Cards for years to come, for a guy who you accurately describe.

        Much rather spend the money in the pursuit of Tulo, or Everth Cabrera & Chase Headley. I would sure like to see an upgrade at SS, but if the Cards’ brass are going to take on salary at that level they better do better.

      • paperlions - Nov 6, 2013 at 6:49 PM

        Well, if the Rangers were dumping the entire salary, then they would be getting a pitcher plus the financial flexibility that comes with getting out of that deal.

        Personally, I don’t think the Rangers are interested in trading Andrus or Profar, I think they’ll keep both and play Profar at 2B for now and they’ll try to move Kinsler (either to 1B or another team).

        I don’t see StL taking on that entire deal. If you wouldn’t sign a guy to a 9 year deal (and I don’t think this FO would sign an Andrus-like player for 9 years and $126M), why would you trade for that deal and give up valuable players to do so?

        I love E. Cabrera….but I bet the Padres do too. Right now, the best option is probably Drew for something like 3 years/$40M if he turns down the QO.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 6, 2013 at 7:21 PM

        Paper–my hope would be Lynn for Andrus even up –hoping that unloading the salary would be enough incentive for Texas—What I would really like is for the Cards to make a deal for Profar if he is at all available……..wouldn’t give up Miller for him but maybe Lynn and Kelly and Kozma—I think that could work because Profar is still a little dicey and it gives Texas a couple of decent arms

      • paperlions - Nov 6, 2013 at 8:35 PM

        Taveras probably isn’t enough for Profar…. Lynn/Kelly/Kozma isn’t even in the ballpark of what Texas would want for a guy that is a plus hitter and fielder at SS with some power. Those guys probably wouldn’t be enough to get them to give up Andrus. They just gave him that deal a year ago…they won’t be in a hurry to get rid of it for guys whose ceilings are solid rotation arms.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 7, 2013 at 8:47 AM

        Your probaly right Paper but notice I used the words hope/like…….Kelly has some decent upside –If lynn could learn another pitch he might be a legitimate 2–at least as good as garza……..Kozma was a 1st round pick who hasnt panned out so far…..but realizing that he just came up–Profar hasn’t exactly been what YP has been to the dodgers……You never know in this game–I remember when the Brewers got a cant miss #1 rated guy for Sabathia.

      • paperlions - Nov 7, 2013 at 8:57 AM

        Profar is 20 yrs old. Age matters when evaluating a player’s development. There were 3 players 20 yrs old that got > 50 PAs in MLB last year. Profar is almost a year younger than Taveras and was probably also affected negatively by inconsistent playing time. He’s a big time talent.

        It is far more likely that Profar becomes what everyone thinks he’ll become than pitchers that are Lynn’s/Kelly’s age develop a new pitch that improves their ceilings.

        Of course, we are only talking about likelihoods, nothing is certain. But players with Profar’s skill set at his age are very rare and very valuable (because such guys usually become awesome), players like Kelly/Lynn are not rare or particularly valuable, though they are useful to have a round….players like Kozma are better removed from the 40-man roster.

        If the Cardinals called offering those 3 for Andrus, Texas would hang up and have a good chuckle.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 7, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        Paper–Guess I would have to agree on Profar…..but not so sure on Andrus. They have a major need for pitching and apparently a bit of a suplus of infielders………..not so sure they would pass on Lynn and Kelly…….. These days teams may be reluctant to take on 9 year deals –although your point about age is well taken………….just hope they dont spend big and lose a pick on Drew–

      • paperlions - Nov 7, 2013 at 10:12 AM

        The way they solve their MIF surplus problem is to trade the worst/oldest guy, I think not one of the younger/better guys. Kinsler is probably who they move and he looks like he is declining fast. They won’t make a deal based on needs for only 2014….but for the long term….which means keeping the good/young players unless they get a deal they can’t pass up. They can pass up Lynn/Kelly types. I am not saying Lynn/Kelly are useless or bad, they are good depth…but they are not game changer core type players. They are the pitcher version of Freese….you use them while they are productive, you don’t sign them long-term and then you move on.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 7, 2013 at 10:59 AM

        Paper–please stop wrecking my fantasies………..I am trying to enjoy visualizing Profar with the birds on his chest but I guess once again you make a point –the Freeze comparison is one that resonates……………..But it cuts both ways—They will get a lot less for Kinsler–Dont think the Cards would rade for him……….

      • paperlions - Nov 7, 2013 at 12:12 PM

        I agree. I would LOVE to see Profar in a Cardinal uni….but that’ll cost Taveras…and I would LOVE to see him in that uni as well. I would like to see Andrus in a Cards uni, if the price is right….Evereth Cabrera would be great too…but I don’t think SD can move him.

        I don’t think the Cards would be interested in Kinsler. They believe in Wong and they have Carpenter as well….they just don’t need an old expensive 2B/1B.

  4. doctornature - Nov 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Kinsler will be easier to move, even if they have to eat some money. They both, at 15M/yr, are overpaid for their production, but Andrus is Gold Glove caliber at short, and way more speed on the bases. Kinsler has ADD and am awful uppercut swing. Leads the world in pop-ups and maybe getting picked off base. He has value, but not 15 Million/year worth. Andrus would bring more in return but he and Profar will make a brilliant DP combo for 10 more years.

    • ezthinking - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM

      Trouble is Profar is over-matched at the plate and the Rangers were mid-pack or worse with the bats this year. He’ll be moved before Kinsler.

      • doctornature - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        You forget Profar was 20 years old. He is a better hitter than Andrus, with far more power, and had some clutch late inning home runs including a bottom-9 walk-off. They won’t move Profar unless it involves Price or Stanton. He wasn’t the consensus #1 MLB prospect for nothing.

  5. knowlegeforyou - Nov 6, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    Can we interest you in Uggla and Alex Wood?

    • jerze2387 - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:08 PM

      …and BJ upton?

    • belowm - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:27 PM

      Will you take Asdrubal Cabrera instead? You will need to include money and/or better prospects to make the deal work. Oh, and you will have to convince Cabrera to move back to 2B.

  6. kylewo - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    I don’t know. I would think that they wouldn’t have given Andrus that monster deal if they had any intention of trading him. I assumed at the time that the deal meant they were going to move Profar, but maybe Kinsler goes instead.

  7. belowm - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Side note: Does this site even have an editor anymore? Love the content, but increasingly annoyed by the number of obvious typos/errors I am finding in posts by otherwise exceptional writers (JoePoz, Calcaterra). C’mon, NBC, hire an editor and free your writers to write!

    • belowm - Nov 6, 2013 at 3:23 PM

      Examples: “Th Rangers” (in a headline, no less), “A such, neither…”

      • louderthanwords1 - Nov 6, 2013 at 6:13 PM

        Wah wah. Did you not understand what he’s saying? Have you never had a typo? It’s a blog. No one is trying to win a pulitzer here

  8. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Nov 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Baltimore is potentially looking for a second baseman. Brian Roberts appears to be either on his way out, or at least delegated to backup status and while Ryan Flaherty is young and has a fantastic glove, however; his bat hasn’t quite turned up to everyday infielder levels. (Ironically he didn’t start to really hit until after Roberts returned from injury.)

  9. bigdicktater - Nov 6, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    I’ll take either one, as long as the babe in the “Shocking French Video” is included!

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