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Robinson Cano “ready for this to go past Christmas, into January if necessary”

Nov 16, 2013, 6:05 PM EDT

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Long time Yankee and current free agent second baseman Robinson Cano is expected to sign a very lucrative contract this off-season, making his next deal not a matter of if, but when. So far, though, talks involving Cano and other suitors have been few and far between. At the end of September, he was reportedly asking for $305 million.

John Harper of the New York Daily News spoke to someone close to Cano who said the second baseman is “ready for this to go past Christmas, into January if necessary”. Harper added:

If that’s true, don’t expect Cano to panic and sign what he would consider a below-market contract with the Yankees just because no team has come forward yet to show interest in paying him the $200 million-$300 million he wants in a deal of seven or more years.

“He wants his money, that’s the bottom line,” the person close to the situation said. “He wants to be a Yankee, but only if he gets the money he wants.”

Cano, a nine-year veteran, turned 31 years old last month, so a deal of seven or more years would take him through his age-37 season, a fact any team considering pursuing him will keep in mind. However, he has been the best second baseman in baseball over the last four years, ranking ahead of Ben Zobrist and Dustin Pedroia in Wins Above Replacement, according to Baseball Reference.

  1. aphillieated - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    I’ll say 7-8 years – $130 mil! This needs to stop now. No player is worth $300 mil. If teams keep giving players what they want it’s gonna ruin baseball. Santana asking for $100+ a guy with a era over 4.00 are you kidding me? Don’t give Cano sh** and watch him sign. This is ridiculous.

    • southofheaven81 - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:32 PM

      The owners are billionares and I’m supposed to be angry that the people that actually put asses in the seats, most of whom came from nothing & are using baseball to secure a family legacy that could last generations, want a bigger piece of the pie? You kidding me?

      • pilonflats - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:48 PM

        in the end, the fans get screwed

      • Old Gator - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM

        No, there’s no one out there running around with a fully charged Dremel tool looking for fans to screw. The fans line up and buy overpriced tickets without having any guns put to their heads. The fans screw themselves by creating a marketplace driven by exorbitant contracts and platinum-plated tickets.

      • rjp8682000 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:49 AM

        I agreed 100% this type of thing is ruining baseball, the only player I would even consider giving 300 mil to is Miguel Cabrera that guy has been a beast throughout his career, yeah he did have a few personal issues but he cleaned up his act. He’s been having an awesome career his last 2 season taking the triple crown something that hasn’t happened in over 40 years and he won back to back MVPs. Any team that offers Cano that much money are either desperate for a championship or just down right stupid. Speaking of Ervin Santana singing him for 110 mil is ridiculous no one is going to pay him that much money for a guy with a career 4.00 ERA.

      • gloccamorra - Nov 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        Oldgator and rjp, you’ve got it right. Why do fans persist in believing the rich owners pay the bills? They spent their money buying the club, and they’ll make their money when they sell it. In between, the club is run with whatever revenue an be generated, and it’s the fans who ultimately pay that.

  2. uyf1950 - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    It’s just my opinion but I think the Yankees should make their best offer Cano and let him know if he doesn’t take it by a certain date they will move on. They should at that point look to sign Omar Infante or make a trade (if their is one out there). If all else fails move Nunez to 2nd base and use the money they would have spent on Cano to sign a starting pitcher or McCann or either Beltran or Choo and a solid late inning relief pitcher.

    Cano and his agents has to realize once the Yankees drop out of the bidding for his services his potential deal take a big time hit in both dollars and years. Like I said just my opinion.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:18 PM

      I suspect that he wants to see if the A-Rod banishment holds up. If the Yankees do not have to pay A-Rod net season, they could afford to pay mega bucks to Cano and stay below the luxury tax threshold.

      • uyf1950 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:05 AM

        My friend, I don’t think what happens to A-Rod matters one bit to him. I think like I’ve read on several of the Yankees blogs “it’s all about the money” for him. I have absolutely no doubt he wants to pass the offer the Yankees gave Tex 8 yrs / $180MM. I just hope the Yankees don’t cave in. That much money and years can be better allocated and spread out over several players.

    • pisano - Nov 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM

      My friend I totally agree, but I’ll go one better, I say let him walk and get an Infante or someone else. The Yankees have more than a couple of holes to fill, and with the money saved from letting Cano go they will be ahead of the game. Here’s what I think they should offer, 5-6yrs. @125-130mil. take it or leave. They have to draw a line and stick to it.

      • uyf1950 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:02 AM

        My friend, I’d go 6 years guaranteed $150MM max, $25MM per is plenty enough for any player not named Kershaw. The Yankees need to draw a line in the sand this time. Take it or leave it and move on. My fear is they go 7 years guaranteed and $180 to $190MM. The Yankees should give him until the Winter Meetings end if he’s not satisfied and go then go about signing other players to fill the gaps in the line up and rotation.

    • cackalackyank - Nov 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM

      I like you opinion just fine. Let him decide if he wants to be a career Yankee or not. There are far too many needs to be met. Last year we saw the chickens come home to roost on the High Dollar/Long Term contracts given to A rod and Tex and CC. No more of that thank you.

      • mtr75 - Nov 17, 2013 at 12:35 PM

        Those high dollar long term contracts have gotten you onto the playoffs for what, 18 years prior to this one? All of the sudden Yankee fans want to go cheap. Hilarious. Just curious: do you still have your Giambi jersey in the closet?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2013 at 1:08 PM

        Just curious: do you still have your Giambi jersey in the closet?

        Unfortunately (fortunately?) most yankee fans think Giambi was awful with the team. Never mind that in seven years he played there he put up a line of .260/.404/.521 for a 143 OPS+.

      • uyf1950 - Nov 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        church, I think if Cano was willing to sign for the same 7 years $120MM Giambi signed for at 31 years old most Yankees fans would welcome back Cano with open arms. It’s the ridiculous 8 plus years and $300MM salary that was associated with Cano contract demands that turns most Yankees fans off.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

        Come on ufy, you’ve been around long enough to know that you don’t go into contract negotiations without shooting for the moon first. No one is giving Cano a $300M deal, but he doesn’t know if he’ll get it unless he asks. I can see the Yanks going $25M/year for Cano, and while I’d prefer them to max out at 7 years, Cano will probably get 8.

      • uyf1950 - Nov 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM

        church, your right you don’t know until you ask. But there also is a point where if you look like a greedy b*stard you tend to turn prospective employers off and in this case some of the teams many fans. I’m not sure that Cano’s dare I say outlandish comment of 10 years and $305MM didn’t do just that.

        Unfortunately from this fans perspective I think you may have hit the nail on the head with Cano final deal, but I hope not. I still stand by my original comment. The Yankees should make him their best offer and tell his agents if they don’t take it they will move on. Although I have been around long enough to know that’s not likely to happen.

        I readily admit I don’t know enough about all of the “big market” teams to know which one might be interested in signing a 31 year old 2nd baseman to an 8 year / $200MM deal. The Tigers are perhaps the only team that come to mind but they have a boatload of money already tied up in a handful of players. Please correct me if I’m wrong but the Yankees may very well be the only team willing to go even 7 years / $175MM.

  3. buffalo65 - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    He can have his 25 million on a 2 or 3 year deal. How many mega deals have panned out?

    • aphillieated - Nov 16, 2013 at 6:36 PM

      1 = Cliff Lee. Numbers since 2011:

      Wins: 37
      Losses: 25
      ERA: 2.80
      IP: 666.1
      SO: 667
      BB: 102 <—— LOL

    • quintjs - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM

      You wonder how many Mega deals that have to not work out before owners realise the economics of baseball are forcing their hand.

      If they keep the luxary tax the same but raise the mlb minimum wage so for years 2 and 3 of service time, so an average player on third year service gets a couple of million, and final year of arb a player gets 100% of market value then a) owners are paying players when they are most productive and b) it would leave less in the bank for insane free agent deals.

      Its stupidity but you can basically say two things about Cano’s deal, a) he will get more money in the next 9 years than the last 9 years and b) he will not be nearly as productive. And this isn’t a knock on Cano or anything because he deserves huge money because of the way he has played but going from underpaid to overpaid isn’t the best way of doing things especially when you often charge who are paying. The cardinals got a massive deal on Pujols and the Angels are getting ripped off (though is their own fault). It would be nice to move closer to a system where both teams got what they paid for.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM

        Yeah, that’ll never happen because the low-payroll teams operate on cost-controlled players.

      • quintjs - Nov 16, 2013 at 10:01 PM

        I know Kevin – probably the union wouldn’t be thrilled either (and Boras). Bit of a shame as it could lead to better outcomes as all but the mega wealthly players would earn more money (I am sure Pujols could scape but with only $200m on top of what he earned at the Cardinals, rather than $240m).

        Small to medium market teams should be interested though as it could improve their chances of keeping top tier free agents as the big dollars wouldn’t be there, so smaller teams could keep star players to build and grow around, keeping them competitive and growing revenues. Players would still be cost controlled, just less so. But I know teams would be against it, I can think of one team in Maimi which as spent the last 10 years trying to work out how to classify its players as unpaid interns which would be against it.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM

      How many mega deals have panned out?

      Plenty of them have. Jeter’s deal was essentially even, Arod’s first deal was a steal for ownership, Manny’s deal with the Sox was good, Pujols long term deal with STL, Longoria’s is a heist for TB, Mussina with NYY.

      There are many that are bad, but it’s more the age of when the player signs and not the length. Most of the above the players were on the right side of 30. The bad ones start on the wrong side.

    • indaburg - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:08 AM

      In a world where Tim Lincecum gets $35 million for 2 years, you think Cano is only going to get $25 million for 2-3 years?

      • Francisco (FC) - Nov 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM

        I think he meant $25MM per year for 2 or 3 years.

      • indaburg - Nov 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        Cano is going to get better than a 2 or 3 year deal. He won’t settle for that.

  4. xli2006 - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    “Please pay him 305 Million Dollars” – Says EVERYONE that isn’t a Yankees fan

    There would be no greater justice than the Yanks being stuck with a deal like that coming off the A-Rod saga and facing an aging roster and bloated contracts.

    • 18thstreet - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:02 PM

      Long-time Yankee hater here, but Cano’s a great player. I wouldn’t laugh at the Yankees “getting stuck” with Cano. Me, I’m hoping someone steals him away. He was their best hitter last year. He might have been their only hitter, for that matter. And if he leaves, then the Yankees have a HUGE hole to fill.

  5. henryjones20 - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    southofheaven81- thanx.ur spot on! the owners are reading these comments from ppl angry at cano and laughing while drinking their 500 $ cognac

  6. joestemme - Nov 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Interesting watching this triangulation bidding:

    1. Cano
    2. Yankees
    3. nobody else

    Somehow, that SHOULDN’T add up to a $200M to $300M deal. But, you never know with the Yankees.

    • mtr75 - Nov 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM

      And how is it that you know 3 is true?

      • 18thstreet - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:06 PM

        I don’t claim to know anything (see: everything I’ve ever written), but I’m not at all clear who the other bidder would be. The Dodgers have other plans, the Red Sox and Phillies have second basemen already. The Tigers are probably maxed out on salary. I can imagine someone else coming in — the Orioles and Braves come to mind — but the Yankees can outbid either of them, easily, if they so desire.

        Once the bidding gets to $125 million in total value, I think the Yankees are the only team left.

      • 18thstreet - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

        I’ll throw another team out there: the Nationals. Rendon to third, Zimmerman to first, La Roche to the bench.

  7. dirtdogs2014 - Nov 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    happy the sox have Dustin. Sure he has millions but understands he is in a good position and won’t hold his team hostage.

  8. spacemaker101 - Nov 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    The Yankees are gonna pay whatever he says honestly

  9. cackalackyank - Nov 16, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    No more than 7 years, maybe 8. But guess what Robbie. Your are not getting 38.2 to 43.5 million a year. So that 305 million thing. Forget. It.

  10. cackalackyank - Nov 16, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Let’s say 7/175, with possibly a vesting performance/injury free based option for the eight year. There are just so many future DH’s you can sign to contracts.

  11. sportsfan69 - Nov 16, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    If I’m the NY Yankees organization, I would offer Cano 6 years – 140 million. Make the contract available until December 15. If Cano doesn’t sign the deal, get Brandon Phillips from the Reds and call it a day. Cano can sit at home and come back to earth. No player is worth over 25 million. A-Rod a the prime example. Baseball doesn’t need prima Dona’s anymore.

    • 18thstreet - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:08 PM

      The rest of MLB is not your minor league system. You have to give the Reds something they want in return.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:13 PM

        Meh, it sounds like the Reds are pretty ready to move on from Brandon Phillips.

      • 18thstreet - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:04 PM

        And if the offer is “nothing,” then there are many franchises who can match it.

  12. sfbookreviews - Nov 17, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    He’s gonna be waiting past a few Christmases if he’s holding out for the 300 million.

  13. vincentbojackson - Nov 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    Would rather have my team’s GM spend that money signing 3-4 solid, second tier free agents. Cano does you no good if his contract hampers you to the point you can’t afford to surround him with talent.

  14. sportsfan18 - Nov 17, 2013 at 5:08 AM

    Cano’s stats have been a bit better than Pedroia’s the past several yrs, but NOT that much better.

    Compare the stats between them and the bucks Pedroia is making and give Cano the prorated portion above what Pedroia makes.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM

      They are significantly better. From ’10 to ’13 (4 years we get)

      Cano – 640 G; .312/.373/.533; 117 HR, 393 R, 428 RBI; .386 wOBA; 142 wRC+
      Pedroia – 535 G; .298/.369/.453; 57 HR, 327 R, 281 RBI; .358 wOBA; 122 wRC+

      Pedroia makes up all his value from his defense between the two, since they are essentially even in baserunning. Fangraphs has it at 25.4 fWAR to 20.5 whereas b-ref has it at 29.8 rWAR to 22.5

      and the bucks Pedroia is making

      Pedroia also wasn’t a FA. He still had two years left on his deal when he signed a new contract. If he hit the open market he would have been paid a lot more (although his offense is heavily influenced by Fenway, so buyer beware).

    • mtr75 - Nov 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM

      Cano’s worst year out of the last four (27 HR, 94 RBI) is better than Pedroia’s best (21, 91).

  15. rjp8682000 - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    He might as well wait until spring training because he’s not getting 300 mil if he was having Miguel Cabrera numbers I would consider it, Cano can’t even hit in the Playoffs and he’s great one year and inconsistent the next. DId any other team learned from the Angels when they signed Pujols? They gave him a monster deal and already he has been a bust in his first 2 seasons also going down with a season ending injury, I want players to perform well for their contracts not be lazy just because you have a big contract. MLB should step up to these owners and those greedy lazy players to play for their contacts and if they don’t they won’t get paid easy as to getting a job if you don’t show up and work you won’t get paid.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      and he’s great one year and inconsistent the next.

      Do you even watch the games?

      wRC+ by year:
      ’09 – 124
      ’10 – 143
      ’11 – 134
      ’12 – 149
      ’13 – 142

      Where’s the inconsistency?

      They gave him a monster deal and already he has been a bust in his first 2 seasons also going down with a season ending injury,

      Pujols had also been declining for the last two seasons in STL. Cano is still playing at an elite level. It’s apples and oranges.

  16. themagicfanguy - Nov 17, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    300 million? Lol okay, sure. How’s the last 31 year old who got a mega contract doing?

  17. rickdobrydney - Nov 18, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    Think of it —-$25 MILLION a year for a guy that WALKS down to first on routine grounders —WALKS —– make him a fair offer and LET HIM WALK if he doesn’t like it —-Jesus God, the game is going to the dogs—-

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