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The Blue Jays may be willing to swap Jose Bautista for pitching help

Nov 17, 2013, 7:05 PM EDT

Toronto Blue Jays' Bautista looks into the stands between innings during a MLB American League baseball game against the Tampa Bay Rays in St. Petersburg Reuters

Despite the recently debunked trade rumor involving Jose Bautista and the Phillies, started by radio personality Howard Eskin, the Blue Jays may still be willing to move him for pitching help according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Cafardo writes that the Jays are looking to add multiple starters. Given the dearth of quality arms available in free agency, acquiring at least one pitcher via trade may make sense for the Jays.

Bautista turned 33 years old last month and is owed $14 million in each of the 2014 and 2015 seasons, quite reasonable for a player of his caliber. However, he has played in fewer than 120 games in each of the past two seasons, suffering from a wrist injury in 2012 and a hip contusion last season.

  1. phillysports1 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    I wouldn’t trade him . You keep him,sign ubaldo Jimenez , trade a couple prospects for Max Scherzer . And if you have to improve on the bullpen there’s a guy by the name of Joaquin Benoit out there .

  2. keltictim - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    I was under the impression the jays have already dealt away their best prospects the last few seasons. But since the last trade with the sox worked out so well, for the sox, how about we take him for a couple if pitching prospects. It’s not like their a few starters away from contending. Jose could do very well in Boston. Then again, we don’t need to be greedy we already took the true skipper if the year and gave them….well I’m sure we gave them somebody worth well umm something right? Darn that cross border conversion rate. Not only does our currency exchange favor us but Apparently coaches convert better too ! USA USA!

    • aleong11 - Nov 17, 2013 at 10:26 PM

      It’s people like you why the world hates America

    • cur68 - Nov 17, 2013 at 11:44 PM

      And here I thought Obama was ruining your country. Your currency has finally crept back past ours. A whole 4 cents. USA! USA!

  3. gibbyfan - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Cards have pitching and need a good SS…..Reyes maybe

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:41 PM

      Not happening as Reyes is not going to be traded.

  4. buffalo65 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Scherzer,(who plays for Detroit) won’t be had for prospects. I’d sign Ubaldo and trade some bullpen arms and others for Porcello.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:01 PM

      That idea is a dstinctpossibility.

      • cur68 - Nov 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM

        Oh Dog, no. Not the Pork-Cello. He sucks. Get Drew Smyly instead. And no thanks to Ubaldo, either. He’s mental.

  5. buffalo65 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Not that trading Jose is a bad Idea. Just need a good return for him. Texas, St. Louis or Cincy could match up. It might be the shake up the clubhouse needs.

  6. buffalo65 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    How is Benoit an improvement?

  7. jaysfan64 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Trading Bautista would not be the cure-all some think it is..the haul would have to be huge for AA to do it and I’m not sure it would be..he’s got trade value, sure, but you still have to replace his production…
    This would be the easy path for AA to follow….maybe I’m wrong but I can’t see it happening..

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:04 PM

      The story came from a Boston reporter who is rarely correct. I am sure that you are well aware that none of the Blue Jay trades that were carried out by AA were ever leaked to the media.

      • jaysfan64 - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:30 PM

        100% correct…if a deal is reported as done, then it’s done…
        That’s the best way to work it…

  8. jaysfan64 - Nov 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    Maybe Scherzer could be had for a package including a good young controllable arm (Sanchez?) but a deal like that could be career suicide for AA if Scherzer doesn’t sign an extension..

  9. proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    The Jays would trade Bautista only if they got equal value in the form of a front of the rotation starting pitcher. Bautista for Scherzer, Price, Sale or Hernandez might work; however, it is quite unlikely that he would be traded as those guys are unlikely to be available.(Price might be traded, but not to an AL East team.) It is also nonsense to say that the Jays traded away all of their top prospects. For example, Sanchez and Stroman have both pitched very well in the AFL. The Jays do have a surplus of hard throwing relief pitchers and could easily include some of them in a package for a lesser starting pitcher such as Porcello.

  10. paperlions - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Trading Bautista makes about as much sense as the fabrications that the Tigers may trade Scherzer. Both teams are trying to win now and neither team has a viable replacement for the guy rumored to be possibly available. It would be hard for either team to get as much immediate value for their guy….in short, dealing either one would probably make the team worse in 2014.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:37 PM

      “Report comment” because you are 100% correct and such accuracy is usually verboten in the silly season.

    • weaselpuppy - Nov 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM

      Trying to win now and finishing in last place in your division means you should be trying to trade older guys whose career arc has peaked…and trying to win later.

      • paperlions - Nov 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM

        Of course it does, but the Blue Jays have given no sign that they are doing that….neither have the Phillies, or the Giants….all teams that are old and don’t have the talent to compete or enough talent on the way…nonetheless, teams still generally try to win games rather than rebuild.

  11. gibbyfan - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Doesnt anybody want to talk about trading Reyes ?

    • paperlions - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

      What for? He isn’t available. Might was well talk about trading for Trout.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:40 PM

        Gosh darn. There you go again, squashing gbbyfan’s fantasy. You are right of course, but it was cruel of you.

      • paperlions - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM

        He can fantasize all he wants, but there is no reason for him to expect the rest of us to join the fantasy. I too would love to have Reyes on the Cardinals….but I see no point in talking about something that is not going to happen.

    • proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM

      How about Bautista for Wainwright? Does that tickle your fancy?

      • gibbyfan - Nov 17, 2013 at 10:17 PM

        wouldnt make that trade……would consider trading Waino but not for Bautista

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 17, 2013 at 10:32 PM

        Of course you would not make that trade, just as the Jays would never make the type of trade you envisage.

  12. buffalo65 - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Except for the Dickey trade which was leaked weeks ahead.

    • jaysfan64 - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM

      The Dickey trade wasn’t leaked…what we saw was pure speculation by the media..the only trade AA made that was out there was the Halladay deal, only because his back was against the wall on that one..
      I’m not 100% against trading Bautista – but any deal has to make all teams involved better…and I just don’t see it happening at this point…

  13. buffalo65 - Nov 17, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    As a jays fan I think we need to keep Sanchez and Stroman.
    I do think the clubhouse needs a reset and trading Jose would do that and then some. Bailey, Phillips and some from Cincy?

    • paperlions - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM

      Because Cinci needs a RF?

      • gibbyfan - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM

        big difference Paper……..Jays are looking for pitching and I would think he could be available………………I mean I doubt he’s untouchable..whereas Trout pretty much would be…..

  14. jason9696 - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    I hope the Jays don’t trade him. Watching him and Edwin E. are about the only reasons to watch the Jays.

  15. jaysfan64 - Nov 17, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    I think AA would listen on anyone except Reyes and Lawrie..he’d be foolish not to…

  16. phillysports1 - Nov 17, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    So Joaquin Benoit is not a good reliever ?

  17. drewzducks - Nov 17, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Ok, so which of you posting on this site is Geddy Lee ? PC ? jf64 ?

    • cur68 - Nov 17, 2013 at 11:51 PM

      My vote is PC!

      • nbjays - Nov 18, 2013 at 8:04 AM

        I dunno… does PC vehemently defend Rush when Craig and the others start slagging them?

      • cur68 - Nov 18, 2013 at 10:35 AM

        Actually I know for a fact that PC is really one of our former prime ministers. No. Not Pierre Trudeau. More’s the pity.

      • nbjays - Nov 18, 2013 at 11:49 AM

        Dief? Is that you? If so I got a bone to pick over that Avro Arrow crap…

  18. buffalo65 - Nov 18, 2013 at 3:52 AM

    Benoit is no improvement over what we got. Didn’t Cincy lose Choo? Could use a power bat. Want to get rid of Phillips and have lots of pitching.

  19. quincy1959 - Nov 18, 2013 at 6:26 AM

    It would take one heck of a deal for anyone to get Batista. But as AA asks about everybody (including untouchables) he also listens to all offers. But don’t expect him to move his key pieces especially the ones that are contract friendly or controlled which are his targets.

    He will likely make trades. Lind or JPA are possibles. He has to move some relievers NOW. If a surprise trade watch his starters, as despite needing pitching he has too many as players coming off the DL (young good ones). Despite loving depth on the mound, he has too many with no options. And one of Gose, Sierra, Rasmus, or Cabrerra. He just needs to figure out his best return. Probably someone nobody is thinking about. Young with upside. Watch for a package deal early, or single deals late.

    Fans and rumors mills want a #1 starter or allstar 2nd baseman or catcher. Hardly what is known to be available as Cano or McCann not feasible and those said to be for trade are average or old. So watch for a good trade not a blockbuster.

    Chances of moving Batista very slim even if another manager offers a great deal. At least not this year.

    • nbjays - Nov 18, 2013 at 7:56 AM

      I think they have a future all-star second baseman in Ryan Goins. Just need to let him mature a bit. I’d love to see a replacement for JPA and another front of the rotation starter.

      • quincy1959 - Nov 18, 2013 at 9:30 AM

        Personally I like Goins. Did a great job late last year. But not a shoe in yet though. Goins still has to prove he can hit in the bigs consistently. But does take some pressure off on finding a hot second baseman and let them settle for finding a solid infield replacement for DeRosa/Bonifacio/Kawasaki. Izturis okay to start at 2nd and Goins in the wings. Goins strong play offensively and defensively leaves AA with the option of shooting high or low. He can wait for prices on Kinsler or Beckham to come down if he wants them. He needs some depth but might shoot higher. He has options here. And other managers might not see him as desperate thanks to Goins.

  20. buffalo65 - Nov 18, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    Now is the time to move a 33 year old slugger. Why wait till his value drops. You can get a ton for him and change the chemistry all in one deal.

    • quincy1959 - Nov 18, 2013 at 9:54 AM

      Hmm. Great power hitter with decent average, below market cost, good defender, great arm, under contract and still in his prime. Can even look good at third if needed. Sounds like just the type of guy AA would trade for, not away. He is looking to win short term not rebuild. Probably a key part of his plan. And just who would AA get to replace him and at what cost? To trade him might fill a hole, but create another bigger one. It would take a really sweet deal for AA to let him go. He won’t be trying to trade him, but will always listen.

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