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Skip Schumaker’s two-year deal with Reds worth $5 million

Nov 19, 2013, 11:17 AM EDT

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Yesterday the Reds signed Skip Schumaker to a two-year contract and now Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com passes along the monetary details: He’ll get $5 million.

Nick Punto‘s deal with the A’s pays him $3 million, with a $2.75 million option for 2015, so it appears as though the going rate for a veteran utility man with a weak bat (and in Schumaker’s case, a weak but versatile glove) is $2-$3 million per season.

This is going to be a very interesting offseason.

  1. aflightguy - Nov 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Reds would have been better off with Punto

  2. phillysports1 - Nov 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    They should of went after infante if they’re looking to trade phillips . Then add a power right handed bat . Bautista maybe ?

  3. shelbysensation - Nov 19, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    If the Reds trade Phillips, Hamilton is their second baseman, and then they go after Choo.

    • paperlions - Nov 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

      I rather doubt they can afford Choo even if they trade Phillips….in part because to trade Phillips, they’ll probably have to eat some of it.

      Besides, aren’t they trying to re-budget so that they can sign some of their young pitching to extensions?

      Hamilton hasn’t shown he can hit AAA pitching, or that he can play the IF, throwing him in at 2B at this point would be risky for a team that is trying to compete in 2014.

  4. ud1951 - Nov 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    I would not want my team to count on Skip as an everyday player, but all teams need utility players and someone to fill in when one of your front line guys gets hurt, and Skip is a good choice for that role. And he is a positive force in the club house. The money may be a bit high, but I think this is a good signing for the Reds, though I will not enjoy watching him adjusting his batting gloves after each pitch when he plays the Cardinals this year. Oh and defensively, he is probably the best CF on the Reds roster. Billy Hamilton is likely going to have to go some to win the starting slot from him in spring training.

    • jm91rs - Nov 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

      Stats guys will discount the “positive force in the club house part”, but it’s clear that Reds management didn’t think there was enough leadership last year so if Skip provides some leadership he’s worth the roster spot to them (assuming he doesn’t play much).

    • jm91rs - Nov 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

      Hamilton may not have had much time at the position, but by the end of the year scouts said he was the best defensive CF in his AAA league. His speed allows him to make a lot of mistakes and still recover. I’ve not heard anything good about Skip’s glove, so there’s no way he’s the best CF on the roster.

      • timburns116 - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:54 AM

        Who are these “scouts”? And, did they tell you he can’t on base in the majors?

    • paperlions - Nov 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      Skip can’t play CF at all. He would make Choo look like a gold glover in CF. There isn’t a single position at which Skip has been a league average defender in years. He’s a slap hitter with no power that doesn’t walk and can’t play average defense. His only potential plus would be the club house thing…not sure how easy it is to mold clubhouse culture as the new guy without an average skill, an everyday job, or a career history that brings cache with it.

      • metalhead65 - Nov 19, 2013 at 11:42 PM

        choo was not as bad a fielder as the saber geeks want you to believe and became a good one as the season went along.cite all the saber crap you want I watched the games and he was not a liability for the reds in the field.

      • paperlions - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:46 AM

        He had the worst range of any CFer in MLB last year. Based on any metric you want to use….and that is based on people watching every play of every game played. Not being embarrassing is different that just not getting to many balls. He sucked in CF. The fact that you refuse to believe it has no bearing on the fact.

        FWIW, some of the “sabergeeks” you like to try to denigrate in you continued willful ignorance run the two teams that made the WS.

      • timburns116 - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:53 AM

        Uh, meathead, he was poor. It was the trade off for having his bat in the line-up. The idea that your eyes say more than math is as silly as saying I can guess your IQ from your comment

  5. metalhead65 - Nov 19, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    I love to bash jocketty and his love affair with all things cardinal but what other gm would give a utility player at best and a 33 year old one at that this kind of contract? thanks for being such a great player while with the cardinals skip here’s heres 5 million dollars for that on top of what you made while playing for me there. the cards did not want him anymore and he did such a great job with the dodgers they did not want him back. old cardinals never retire they just sign with the reds and good old uncle walt. anyone including a reds farm hand could be better than izturis but that does not mean you have to have to over pay them.

    • timburns116 - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:55 AM

      Yeah, damn you, Walt, for creating a winning team!

      • paperlions - Nov 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM

        Actually, most of Cinci’s success since Walt Arrived can be directly attributed to players acquired BEFORE he arrived, either by their direct production or the ability to trade from a deep farm system to acquire players.

        Walt still has essentially nothing to do with the draft or player development, their director of amateur scouting and player development deserves a lot of credit for what they’ve been doing. What Walt has done is to tie his own hands with contracts he already wishes he could trade (e.g. the Phillips deal).

      • metalhead65 - Nov 20, 2013 at 7:05 AM

        with the exception of ludwick’s mid June-end of 2012 season run the ex-cards he has wasted money on have done nothing to help with the winning. most of the players who have contributed to the reds winning were brought in the former gm. Wayne Krivutsky. did he bring in Votto, Phillips or Bruce? did he acquire the starting pitching that made the reds winners like Arroyo,Cuteo,Bailey,Leake? or the other pieces in the farm system that enabled jocketty to trade for Latos?

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