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Jon Daniels is making no secret of his desire to make a big move

Nov 20, 2013, 8:40 AM EDT

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I wanna play poker with Jon Daniels. MLB.com’s Richard Justice talking about Rangers GM Jon Daniels in the Dallas Morning News:

“I think Nolan Ryan leaving really put the pressure on Jon Daniels to make a dramatic move. He’s the only GM that I heard last week at the meeting saying, ‘Our needs can’t be filled internally. We have to go outside and make a move.’”

I guess it’s money-where-your-mouth-is time for Daniels.  The Rangers have been reported to be interested in Brian McCann and Jacoby Ellsbury. They’re losing Nelson Cruz, most likely. There has been talk that Ian Kinsler could be on the block. They could use some pop in that lineup.

There was talk that they’d make big moves last winter too, and it didn’t pan out. It’ll be interesting to see if Daniels, now clearly and solely at the helm of the Rangers, is able to make something happen.

  1. stevequinn - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    Just trade Andrus to St. Louis and be done with it.

    • beefytrout - Nov 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM

      you have a stupid, whorish mouth.

  2. 18thstreet - Nov 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    I’m not sure it REALLY weakens his negotiating position. Whatever move he makes, he can claim THAT was the big one.

  3. sfm073 - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    Trade profar to the cardinals for matt Adams and lance Lynn.

    • gibbyfan - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:18 AM

      Lynn ++ others but not Adams…

      • bfunk1978 - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

        You can’t reasonably expect anybody to take the worst starter the Cardinals have in any package for Profar. The Cardinals and Rangers are both dealing from areas of surplus if they were to do a Profar-or-Andrus-for-pitching deal but Lynn is not what the Rangers would want. It’d be a deal involving Miller or Martinez at minimum.

      • bfunk1978 - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

        I do agree “not Adams”, though. My solution to the corner outfield involves Allen Craig going back to RF and Adams playing first.

      • clydeserra - Nov 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM

        to get profar, the cardinals have to give up something. I am not saying adams is a key piece because i don’t know, but trades are going to be value for value.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

        Lynn has got some temperment issues and is still developing (as is Profar) but he has a pretty impressive record and is pretty young……Cards just have a suplus of pitching and need a SS……..maybe Lynn and Martinez would get it done.

  4. phantomspaceman - Nov 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    Jon Daniels looks like Bob Loblaw.

    • Old Gator - Nov 20, 2013 at 10:44 AM

      Jon Daniels looks like someone’s kid in early junior high school. Looking at him, I gotta think that by “big deal” he means he’s gonna try to trade his Matchbox dump truck and Ideal bush hog for the other kid’s Tonka caterpillar backhoe. Best of luck to him.

      • richarddansky - Nov 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        He strikes me as more of an ERTL guy.

  5. ap068010 - Nov 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Profar to tigers . Max to rangers . End of story …..

    • paperlions - Nov 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      Five years of Profar is WAAAAAY too much to give up for 1 expensive year of Scherzer. Even the horrible deal KC made last year was for 2 years of Shields.

  6. aceshigh11 - Nov 20, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    What’s his big move? To attempt to grow a beard on his 13-year old face?

    (and I say that as I 35-year old who can’t grow a full beard to save his life)

  7. ud1951 - Nov 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    I’m pretty sure he could get Matt Adams and a young quality arm from St Louis with either Andrus or Profar, with the main difference being how much money he was willing to eat on Andrus. If he want’s full relief on Andrus salary, he might get an arm a little farther down the depth chart, if he is willing to kick in some coin with Elvis, there are some major league proven arms (not named Wacha, Wainwright or Rosenthal) he could have with Adams.

    For Profar he could shop in that same neighborhood for pitching, plus Adams or they might be able to get a decent back up catcher (Cards have a great back up in Cruz and a couple good prospects nearing the majors) instead of the pitcher.

  8. phillysports1 - Nov 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Trade profar to the cardinals for Shelby miller And jason motte

    • gibbyfan - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM

      Too much……….He hasnt hit MLB pitching yet——–Miller could be exceptional………woudnt do that trade……..

      • paperlions - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        So….you would wait until he proves he good? You realize that if you waited he would cost far more than Miller, right? Due to injury risk, the position player always has more value compared to similarly productive pitchers.

        Profar is 20, walks a ton, doesn’t strike out much, has a plus glove, and has some pop in his bat. The Rangers would probably even turn down a 1-for-1 deal of Miller for Profar.

        I don’t want to trade Miller, but if you could get Miller for Profar, that is a solid deal for the Cardinals, taking advantage of their pitching depth to plug a huge hole, potentially for years.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        I’m Betting you would be wrong on that one Paper……….You usually have pretty good judgment but I’m betting Rangers would do that one………..
        Who do you think is the most valuable guy on the dodgers….Clayton K or YP……..not sure about you r thoughts on position player v pitcher.
        Remember….Kozma was a 1st round pick too…………a little bit of a gamble on profar

      • scatterbrian - Nov 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        @gibbyfan

        The position players vs. pitchers argument wasn’t about value over the course of a season. It’s about projecting long-term risk vs. reward, and pitchers have proven to be the more volatile in terms of injuries.

        Also, comparing Profar to Kozma is asinine. Profar — who wasn’t drafted, by the way — will turn 21 in February and already has 324 ML plate appearances. When Kozma was 21 he was starting his second season of High-A ball. Apples and oranges.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 20, 2013 at 3:08 PM

        The point is scatterbrain that nobody knows how the future is going to work out—it’s hard enough with proven players as we have seen with even pujols and many others let alone a very young player who has shown promise only in the minors…the point being that at one time Kozma, like many other players in other leagues as well, was thought of highly enough to be drafted in the first round…..that’s what I’m saying–not comparing the two at this point in time……but .taking the point just a little further –we were talking about Miller–he has already shown he can pitch well at the MLB level…….that my friend is apples and oranges…..

      • paperlions - Nov 20, 2013 at 3:24 PM

        Everyone made fun of the Cardinals for drafting Kozma, calling him a major reach with no upside. They were right. It sounded like a horrible pick the day it was made, and Kozma never did anything but suck at hitting. Comparing Kozma to Profar is really….just…well…misguided, to be polite.

        It isn’t that hard to predict what will likely happen as players age. While there is variation and there are exceptions, MOST players follow a pretty typical aging curve. For example, EVERYONE that understands aging curves and that had been paying any attention at all knew Pujols was declining, you couldn’t predict the injuries, but the Cardinals knew the Pujols of 2009 was gone and they weren’t going to pay him like he was still that guy.

        In terms of pure trade value, I guarantee if you asked any GM, they would value Profar higher than Miller right now. In part because of the pitcher injury risk, but mostly based on the rarity of each type of player and the value they represent. Miller is a good pitcher with ace potential, but most of those guys never become aces even if they avoid injury….and pitchers of his caliber are not that rare. There are plenty of similarly aged pitchers in MLB with similar or better skill sets. There are 1 or 2 other guys like Profar, who doesn’t turn 21 until next year…you know how many 20 yr olds had as many PAs as him in MLB last year? Two. Harper and Machado. Just getting to the majors at that age is rare. Again, understanding aging curves, Profar still projects to be a star and the Cardinals would be lucky to get him giving up nothing more than Miller. Hell, I’d give Wacha for him without blinking because the value is there and the Cardinals have other pitchers that can fill that need.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

        Well Paper.Guess we just disagree and probably won’t know unless an actual trade does take place.
        But again, I am not not comparing Kozma to Profar just saying that at least some people of importance thought very highly of him…..there are other examples. Didn’t the Brewers trade a can’t miss super minor leaguer for Sabathia……..name escapes me.
        Anyway….let me ask you. As a perhaps not too wild hypothetical…..would you trade Waino even up for Tulo?

      • scatterbrian - Nov 20, 2013 at 5:10 PM

        Sorry man, there is a huge difference between players who make their ML debut at 19 and players who debut at 23.

        Besides, just because one team saw fit to draft a player in the first round doesn’t mean he was a consensus first-round pick.

  9. phillysports1 - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Why not just trade kinsler ? Yankees can use him if cano decides to sign elsewhere . Maybe Atlanta can use him , Oakland seems like a good fit for him .

    • paperlions - Nov 20, 2013 at 12:49 PM

      He’s overpaid and declining. They could probably give him away, but to get anything in return they’d have to eat salary.

  10. extavernmouse - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    I guess this article turned out to be prophetic, huh?

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