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Angels talking to Cardinals about David Freese trade

Nov 21, 2013, 11:19 AM EDT

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Already this offseason reports have linked David Freese to the Yankees and the Marlins, and now Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Angels have “discussed a trade” for the Cardinals third baseman.

St. Louis shopping Freese makes sense, because he’s coming off a down year and about to get expensive via arbitration. Plus, the Cardinals have top prospect Kolten Wong just about ready to step in at second base, which would allow them to replace Freese by shifting Matt Carpenter to third base.

Freese hit .262 with nine homers and a .721 OPS in 138 games this year, but made the All-Star team in 2012 while hitting .293 with 20 homers and an .839 OPS before going nuts in the playoffs.

  1. gibbyfan - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Sounds like Dave is really on his way out–I can understand it but sorry to see it..I hope he has great years ahead no matter who he is with…..maybe we can get Albert back minus the bulk of the contract commitment……

    • blues1988 - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      thumbs up for freese comment, thumbs down for albert comment.

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        Yeah, I have no interest in seeing Pujols back on the Cardinals. What would be the point? They already have 2 guys that are younger, cheaper, and project to hit better than Pujols in 2014 and beyond. 2010 was the last time Pujols was a better hitter than Allen Craig.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        The albert part was meant as a joke guys…….I truly doubt the angels would send him back with $100 million………

    • jvandever007 - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      Albert over Craig…I don’t think so I would even take Adams over albert

  2. historiophiliac - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    My ex mother-in-law once accidentally made a pecan pie without the Karo syrup, which is the thing that holds the nuts together. It was dry and crumbly; spiced nuts sitting loose in a crust. Sometimes, I feel like the Angels have put together the team equivalent of that pie….

    • paperlions - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      A lot nuts and crusty old guys with no sugar?

      • historiophiliac - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        It’s California. Everyone uses sugar substitute.

    • losangelesfan - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

      I was going to post thumbs up, but you’re a woman. No offense. You should be making breakfast or doing the laundry or something.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 21, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        If you consumed anything I gave you after a comment like that, you would be one dumb mother fu*ker.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        I think that he wants some rat poison in his breakfast.

  3. jvandever007 - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Freese needs to go I’m just not sold on Wong yet

    • gibbyfan - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      probably nobody is sold on Wong yet………….just have to recognize the potential and hope for the best…….to me it would be worth keeping Freese around until we see………….unless something of real value comes back

      • jvandever007 - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        I know the cards have bigger needs at ss but maybe trade him for a right handed outfield bat that would be a bench player

  4. km9000 - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Who’d be going back? Trumbo to replace Beltran? Doesn’t sound like Aybar/Kozma would be worked in.

    When the Angels got Pujols I figured Trumbo was a goner, but him flourishing in StL would make the Pujols deal even worse.

    • paperlions - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:08 PM

      Trumbo is not good at baseball. True story.

      He can’t play defense and has horrendous on-base skills. He is among the worst in the league in contact%, among the highest is swinging strike %, and among the highest in swing rate at pitches out of the zone.

      • spudchukar - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM

        Yeah, I cannot believe the Cards have interest in Trumbo. The reason he is on the market, is because with Hamilton and Pujols, they already have DHs to be, and at times in 2014. The Red Birds need upgrades on defense and speed, with CF and SS the holes, which Trumbo would do nothing to fill.

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:25 PM

        Yeah, besides my ramblings, Trumbo doesn’t really fill a big need. The power is nice, but that is ALL he brings. The club really needs some more athleticism on defense and on the bases.

      • jvandever007 - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

        I think the cf position has tavares wriiten all over it

      • km9000 - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM

        The word now is the Cards want “outfield depth,” which screams JB Shuck. Then they deal Trumbo or Kendrick elsewhere for pitching.

        If the Cards were confident he could overcome his back injury, it’d seem like they could wait, assess Wong, then deal Freese midseason to get more.

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM

        They could only get more for Freese if he performed well, and if he performed well, there would be no reason to deal him….and if he performed poorly, with is arb salary, they wouldn’t be able to give him away.

  5. jvandever007 - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    I would rather have craig in right and Adams at first then get trumbo

  6. ud1951 - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    The 2012 version of Freese at third and the 2013 version of Carpenter at second is an awfully appealing possibility. Carpenter and Wong does not strike me as equivalent to Freese and Carpenter, and the defense is probably a wash. The question to ask is, is the 2013 version of Freese what to expect in 2014, and is that better than what Wong gives you?

    • spudchukar - Nov 21, 2013 at 12:44 PM

      The question isn’t Freese vs Wong it is Wong and whomever Freese brings. If it is a SS that is a significant upgrade, then the Cards should jump on it, if it is Bourgois, and the upgrade only comes at CF defense, then I would doubt the value, especially since Robinson isn’t much different than Bourgois.

    • paperlions - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM

      The defense is not a wash at all. Carpenter is a better defensive 3B than Freese and Wong is a better defensive 2B than Carpenter. Freese looked done at times last year. Very slow. It isn’t clear at all that 2012 Freese is ever coming back…he looks like a very old 31. Wong is also a big upgrade on the bases over Freese.

      Wong hit well in AAA last year. I don’t think you can really take anything away from what he did once he was called up thank to the “We know you’ve never seen major league pitching before, but here, be a pinch hitter and get about 7 at bats/week mostly against high leverage relief pitcher and lefty specialists” approach the Cardinals employed once he was called up.

  7. jeffa43 - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Wow… Halos GM really wants to get canned…

    Astro fans approve of Halos picking up David. Teaming up with Albert and what he says is his 99% knee… Can’t wait!
    All those curves and off speed to Hamilton.. Repeat to Freese…

    Oh, and make sure it is at least 100 million your giving away again.

    Good idea not to add pitching… Halos were great in that area.
    2006 Astros = 2013 Halos
    2007 Astros = 2014 Halos..

    Same blue print of trying to fix through free agency, and ignore 30th ranked minor league system.

    • jeffa43 - Nov 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

      So… Are the thumbs down because…..

      The 99% Knee of Alberts?
      The simple mention of Hamilton and off speed pitch in the same sentence?
      The mention of 100 million dollars, Halos, and free agency in the same sentence?

      Or the fact that the worst team in baseball with a 20 million dollar payroll made the Halos their personal b*%#$… all year long. (loved the 4 game sweep at the Big A)

      Or was it the mention of the most neglected minor league system in baseball?

      Or was it pointing out the obvious issues with your GM.

      Put on your big boy pants Halo fans, the worst is yet to come.

      • paperlions - Nov 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        Probably because the Halo’s GM was not actually responsible for the signing of Pujols or Hamilton. That was 100% Moreno.

  8. markofapro - Nov 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Hello, Angels? Earth to Angels! You NEED pitching.

    • jeffa43 - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

      Yes … They don’t understand.

      Let Vargas get away today… And go after Freese.

      Hilarious.

  9. jhaegs - Nov 21, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    I guess the Angels will just keep taking our sloppy seconds…

  10. hbarbar - Nov 21, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    David Freese- an injury prone flash in the pan, stopped going opposite field last year, strikes out over 20%of the time, below average fielder at 3rd, and slowest guy on the Cardinals team. went nuts in the 2011 playoffs not 2012, and couldn’t hit anything in 2013 playoffs. Rolls over on too man pitches, can be an okay trade if he starts going the other way again, but he’s already 30 and in decline. I predict .270 avg 15 hr sub .330 OBP, IF he stays healthy. Not in Cardinals future plans, trade him for couple of average prospects. If everything comes together could be a cheap 1 yr stopgap at 3rd for Angels, that pays dividends. Could be a total waste of time, low risk average reward.

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