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Report: Cardinals set to sign Jhonny Peralta for short

Nov 23, 2013, 11:15 PM EDT

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11:15 p.m. EST update: FOXSports.com’s Jon Morosi says it’s expected to be a four-year pact between the Cardinals and Peralta.

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A source told ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick that the Cardinals and shortstop Jhonny Peralta are “closing in” on a deal.

The word Friday from MLB.com’s Peter Gammons was that Peralta already had a four-year, $52 million contract offer on the table.

It seems like a very steep price to pay for a steroid-aided 31-year-old who has finished with OPSs in the .700 range three of the last five years. Peralta did hit an improved .303/.358/.457 last season when he wasn’t serving his 50-game Biogenesis suspension. His defense is fine, according to the numbers, but it’s certainly not going to get any better at his age. Some teams were believed to be considering him as an outfielder, not a shortstop.

That’s obviously not what the Cardinals are planning; they desperately need to upgrade from Pete Kozma and Daniel Descalso at shortstop. Peralta will do that, but his signing hardly seems like a typical Cardinals move, especially if he’s going to be earning in the neighborhood of $50 million.

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  1. pastabelly - Nov 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    Cardinals fan is saying they lost series because the great Wade Miller didn’t pitch. I get it. He would have replaced Wainright, who lost two games or would have started in place of Wacha. They lost because they got no production from the left side of their infield and CF. This move addresses the former. Getting Drew would cost a first round pick. Getting Hardy may have cost more than Miller. The Orioles problem is not mid-rotation starters. It’s front line.

    • zalbatt07 - Nov 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM

      Considering that his name is Shelby and not Wade…. Also, I’m not sure a 22 year old that just won 15 games, posted a low 3 era and had almost a K/IP would be considered a mid rotation starter. That sounds like more of an Ace in the making to me.

      • zalbatt07 - Nov 24, 2013 at 10:17 AM

        Oh, the Orioles already asked for Miller straight up for Hardy and the Cards turned them down.

    • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM

      No Cardinal fans say that. None.

      • zalbatt07 - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM

        Does anyone really think that Miller is just a mid-rotation starter? Especially for the Orioles?

      • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:46 AM

        No. Notice that the only people that say that are people hoping their team trades for him….indicating that they think he’ll be more, but that they are just trying to justify why they think their team shouldn’t have to give up much for one of the best young pitchers in the majors.

      • zalbatt07 - Nov 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

        Ah, my bad. I read that the wrong way.

    • cohnjusack - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      “Cardinals fan is saying they lost series because the great Wade Miller didn’t pitch.”
      -Umm…no. I think he maybe should have started or Joe Kelly,but the reasoning behind it had to do with his late season fade and sudden inability to strike out anyone out, a sign of arm fatigue.

      ” He would have replaced Wainright, who lost two games or would have started in place of Wacha.”
      –In no universe would he have replaced Adam Wainwright OR Michael Wacha. He would have replaced Kelly or Lynn.

      “The Orioles problem is not mid-rotation starters. It’s front line.”
      –Shelby MIller is 22, strikes out a batter an inning his rookie season and was one of the games most highly touted prospects. If anyone projects to be a “front line starter”, it’s him. He’s almost there now anyway.

  2. buffalo65 - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Miller maybe coming to TO soon. Joey Bats back. Got a good catcher available too, Adams and a couple prospects. Come on cards, step up and fix your offense.

    • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM

      Miller isn’t going anywhere and neither is Bautista.

      The Cardinals don’t need a RFer, they already have plenty of younger/cheaper options for the position. Toronto doesn’t have a single decent catcher on their 40 man roster….and, of course, the Cardinals don’t need a catcher.

    • cohnjusack - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      Yeah Cardinals, your offense is awful! You only outscored the entire rest of the NL by 77 runs last season!

      • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        But they lost Freese and Beltran, that is like -100 runs, right?

  3. drone501 - Nov 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    and the rich get richer

    • spudchukar - Nov 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM

      Granted, but the Cards brass did it and still stayed under 100 mil. What I like most about the deal, is the leverage gained. Now all those teams that dissed the young arms can only beg the Red Birds to part with one of them.

      • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

        Yep. With a solid SS on board (as Church pointed out, he’s been among the top 5 SS in MLB the last 3 years), they are now in trade for luxury mode, not trade for need mode….which should reduce the number of silly offers (e.g. Miller for Aybar or Hardy).

      • spudchukar - Nov 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        Yeah, took me a while, mostly sleeping on it to appreciate the leverage difference. As you know I’m not a fan of defensive metrics, it is impossible to increase one’s range to the magnitude they indicate, but if Peralta catches what he can and can be average then his bat will more than make up for his lack of range.

        It isn’t like Kozma is a range whiz either. He struggles going to his left, which I have no explanation for, and he did improve in the latter part of 2013. His strength is his range coming in and going out, a quick release and accurate arm. Peralta can be replaced at times in the later innings with the lead, and nobody is saying the Cards are finished.

        Peralta also provides 3B coverage if Wong fails or struggles. And with 2 drafts early, perhaps the Red Bird brass has their eyes on college SS, who they believe can be ready in a couple of years.

      • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM

        A Cuban defector that hit well and plays solid or better D at SS will be available to sign in February. He’s 22 or 23 now and was ruled ineligible to sign because he lied about his age, making himself older to try to get around the new CBA spending limits. Aledmys Diaz. If they could sign him, he would immediately improve organizational depth at SS.

      • spudchukar - Nov 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        Sounds good to me. Funny I was going to ask you yesterday, if there were any non-American, for wont of a better term, youngsters that you knew of that might fit the need.

        If I have this correct, teams can make moves to increase their international spending dollars. If necessary the Cards certainly have that option too.

      • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 1:53 PM

        Yeah, teams can trade for international spending money. In fact, I think the Cardinals got some in one of their trades last year….maybe the Boggs deal (checked, they got an extra $200K or so in spending ability from the Rockies in that deal). But Diaz may now be exempt because of his age and experience as a pro in Cuba. So he may be far more expensive as well. Not sure if he’ll be subject to it or not. There are never any updates on his situation other than he can’t sign until Feb 2014.

  4. buffalo65 - Nov 24, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Bautista is as good at third as he is in the OF. Batutisafor Adams Miller and Kozma. Gonna happen.

    • zalbatt07 - Nov 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

      Why would anyone give up Adams and Miller for an aging player who hasn’t finished the last two seasons. 3rd doesn’t really seem like a need since Carpenter will slide over there. All he did was tie for the league lead in hits and led in doubles. The lineup seems much better with Craig in RF, Adams 1b, and Carp at 3b. We haven’t even talked about young Oscar Tavares yet.

    • paperlions - Nov 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

      Miller has more value that Bautista does (5 years of control versus 2 years at $14M/per). The Blue Jays would have to add to Bautista is if they wanted Miller, not the other way around. Heck, Adams provided more surplus value with his 5 years of control left than Bautista does. Last year Adams hit better than Bautista with a higher HR/PA than Bautista.

      Plus, the Cardinals don’t need a 3B. Carpenter will be among the best 3B in the majors next year. Bautista simply isn’t a need for the Cardinals at any position, so there is no reason they would overpay to get him. Again, your proposed deal would be a horrible deal for the Cardinals and wouldn’t address any need they have. In your experience, how often have the Cardinals overpaid in talent in a trade?

  5. buffalo65 - Nov 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Maybe not a good fit. I was thinking the cards were in need of a big bat. I think Bautista is on the move.

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