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Report: Yankees trying to put a time limit on Robinson Cano

Nov 25, 2013, 2:18 PM EST

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According to Andrew Marchand of ESPN New York the Yankees “plan on talking to the agents for Robinson Cano on Monday to reiterate that they will only be able to keep their best offer on the table for so long.”

Marchand reports that the Yankees are working on possible deals with multiple other free agents even after signing Brian McCann for $85 million and if some of them take New York’s offers the money wouldn’t be available for Cano.

Which … well, I dunno, I have a hard time believing that’s actually how things would play out. If the Yankees truly want Cano back it’s not as if they’re going to allow someone like Carlos Beltran, Omar Infante, or another similar free agent to determine whether it actually happens.

They’ll wait for Cano, because Cano is worth waiting for.

  1. stex52 - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Time limits make sense for a lot of teams because they are only likely to afford one big layout and they have to find out if that player is going to go with them. For the Yankees, not so much. They can pull a trigger any time they want with their cash flow. But I don’t blame them for wanting to settle it sooner. It could change some other decisions. (See Infante, Omar)

  2. Arods Other Doctor - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    I think Cano could sign at any point before or during the season. As if the Yankees are going to say “no Robby, we decided to go in another direction and miss the playoffs by even more games.”

  3. uyf1950 - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    “Yankees plan on talking to the agents for Robinson Cano on Monday to reiterate that they will only be able to keep their best offer on the table for so long.” Good, Very Good

    • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:40 PM

      Good news for Nats fans, that is.

  4. paperlions - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    This probably won’t have an effect because no one will believe the Yankees will walk away from him until after they do.

    People think 4 years for Peralta is too many, and they are probably right. Peralta is 5 months older than Cano. If the Yankees walk away, mostly, they are just saving themselves a lot of money in a few years when Cano’s contract looks about as good as Teixiera’s does now.

    Really, besides NY, what is the current market for Cano? How far below $200M would it have to get before any other team jumped in? Who has the resources and need at 2B to spend over $150M on what is likely to be a bad deal during its second half?

    • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:40 PM

      The Nationals, the Braves, and the Orioles. That’s the competition.

      • paperlions - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:44 PM

        The Orioles are reported to be considering trades to shed payroll to add financial flexibility and the Braves are corporate owned, they wouldn’t be interested in signing Cano…the Uptons are about as expensive as they are going to get.

      • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        We’ll see. I don’t claim to have any inside knowledge.

      • paperlions - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        I certainly don’t have any inside info….just based on rumors associated with trade scenario’s and current team activity (or lack thereof) or history of spending or not (Braves).

      • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        I hesitate to put the Braves on that list. But they can definitely afford the guy at any price and need a second baseman. Ditto Baltimore.

        The fact is, Cano is a great player. These boards seem to relish in the opinion that he doesn’t hustle enough. Me, I think he just makes it look easy. Hustle is overrated. David Eckstein hustled plenty. I’d rather have Cano.

      • paperlions - Nov 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM

        I agree. He’s awesome. He is probably worth a $150-180M deal over 7-8 years for teams that can afford it. My only concern with him about such a long deal (and I would bet it is the concern of most teams) is that signing a 31 yr old to such a long deal is usually a very bad idea. If he was 28, different story, but he’s not…..so any deal longer than 6 year will represent a lot of risk.

  5. Jason @ IIATMS - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Running this jargon through Google BS Translator Device:

    “Robbie, we will give you [as long as it takes] for you [to figure out that no one else will outbid us] to sign [a deal 50+% greater than Pedroia’s].”

    • sdelmonte - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      Pretty much, yeah.

      The broader message is that the Yanks learned from their A-Rod mistake never, ever to outbid themselves again.

      • Jason @ IIATMS - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        Until the next time, that is. I’m wondering how much the team will up their current (and highest) offer by…

  6. joestemme - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    The conversation should be real brief:

    Yankees: Robinson, are you still demanding $300M?

    Robinson: Yes.

    Yankees: Time’s up.

    • aphillieated - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:26 PM

      Robinson: Alright, alright.

  7. chc4 - Nov 25, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    While NYY is likely bluffing, Cano needs to at least be mindful of the fact that the Yankees do have options. B/c if the Yankees were to pull the offer and go elsewhere all of Cano’s leverage is gone.

    • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:50 PM

      Do they have better options? I really don’t see it.

      • bigharold - Nov 25, 2013 at 9:08 PM

        Any option is better than $300 mil/10yrs.

        The only thing the Yankees have to worry about at what point do they walk away and go in another direction. The Yankees might sweeten their offer a bit but they aren’t likely to cave. Unless Jay Z starts channeling his inner Scott Boras and gets a “mystery” team to start bidding it is apparent that the Yankee offer is already the highest.

      • 18thstreet - Nov 26, 2013 at 8:15 AM

        Why does anyone believe that $300 million is a real number? It’s a wish. The final deal will be somewhere around $160-$200 million. Eight years, tops.

        Cano was expressing a wish. It’s not going to happen.

      • anxovies - Nov 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM

        I wish they would sign me for 8 years, 160K – 200K. A guy could live reasonably well with that kind of money, maybe even take in a ML game now and then.

      • 18thstreet - Nov 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM

        And if you were one of the best players in baseball, you could earn that kind of money.

        Just because they call it a game doesn’t mean that anyone can do it well.

  8. pisano - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    It’s simple, give Cano their best offer, if Cano doesn’t accept, tell him it’s been nice, but we have other deals pending, and that’s that. The Yankees have been playing with this guy long enough.

    • paperlions - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:49 PM

      Yep. If a guy isn’t a must sign (and really, who is?) and there are alternatives available who will become unavailable if you delay, it is better business practice to make your best offer and move on to the alternatives than to wait, let the alternatives sign and then be stuck in a situation in which the player has all the leverage. I am all for players getting paid (after all, they are the talent that generates the revenues), but I am also for sound approaches to spending that money.

      Without the Yankees, what is Cano looking at? $175M tops? Who would even fork over that much? Most of the teams that have money to burn have already burned it.

      • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:52 PM

        The Nationals would fork over that much.

      • uyf1950 - Nov 26, 2013 at 6:51 AM

        18thstreet the Nationals need pitching much more then a 2nd baseman that will likely cost them 8 years and $180MM +.

        They already have be it not the caliber of Cano a decent young 2nd baseman with upside that cost them “chump change” in Anthony Rendon.

  9. jfk69 - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    That is how you deal with a former self admitted reformed drug dealer. Provided you are not addicted to his product. You start taking the money off the table and see how fast he comes around with a realistic request.
    My guess is Christmas for the signing. If not…GOODBYE !!!
    and Cashman…STICK TO IT….or overpay

  10. jfk69 - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Lets see how Cano and his new best bud agent JaY Z like Kanas City. No more parties with Cano at his 40 40 NYC club.
    Present offer good till Dec. 1
    Every week till year end it will decline by 5 million. That will come off Yankee offer not the bogus 300 million. Like I told another wanna be agent for a player. I lost with you and I can lose without you.

  11. Jason @ IIATMS - Nov 25, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    “Yankees trying to put a time limit on Robinson Cano…”?

    Is this another “CANO DOESN’T HUSTLE” jab?

    /ends snarkity snark snark

  12. aceshigh11 - Nov 25, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    If you’re having contract problems, I feel bad for you, son,
    I got 305 million problems, and bitches are ALL OF ‘EM

  13. m3dman3 - Nov 25, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    If you hire Jay Z to represent you, I would never want you on my team. Let him walk.

    • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 5:54 PM

      Not like Scott Boras. Now there’s a gentlemen. A name you can trust.

      How dare Jay Z sully the good name of the sports agent? Why, in my day … etc.

      • nbjays - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:19 PM

        Sports agents are like lawyers… 99% of them give the rest a bad name.

  14. cardinalcrazy - Nov 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Long term contracts (> 7 years) do not work out. If the Yankees haven’t learned from A-Rod’s debacle, or even Tiexera’s terrible contract, then they never will. They do seemed to have learned by only offering less than 180 mill? or maybe less for 7 ish years. Good for them.

    Besides, if you were an owner, what would you rather have, one Robinson Cano, or Carlos Beltran, Shin Soo Choo, and a potential first round draft pick. Point being is you can easily get two very good players and a draft pick for only one good player. So unless Cano is willing to lower his expectations dramatically then just move on already.

    • chip56 - Nov 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM

      I wouldn’t be opposed to letting Cano walk and signing three guys into the same money slot that they would spend for one Cano.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM

        Who are these three players they’re going to sign? Cano isn’t the only free agent who’s expensive relative to his production.

      • chip56 - Nov 25, 2013 at 11:08 PM

        McCann’s one. Beltran, Tanaka, Ubaldo, Stephen Drew, Jacoby Ellsbury, Curtis Granderson, Shin Soo Choo. They’re all guys the Yankees have been linked to.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 26, 2013 at 5:54 AM

        Clearly they didn’t sign McCann with Cano’s money since the offer to Cano still stands, but lets say they did. They’d offered $23 million/year to Cano, and gave $17 million to McCann. That only leaves $6 million left, which doesn’t get you a very good player these days. The point is, you aren’t getting multiple impact players for what you would have given Cano, you’re getting one not-as-good player and some spare parts, or maybe two okay players.

      • chip56 - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM

        I agree that McCann’s money likely doesn’t impact Cano. But the question is whether or not subsequent signings would.

        And the other thing to consider is whether or not a team with as many holes as the Yankees have, if they are sticking to a budget, are better off with one superstar 2b or taking a slight hit at 2b by signing someone else (Infante?) and then using the savings to upgrade in other areas (RF, DH, SP)?

      • Kevin S. - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:11 PM

        Here’s the problem – the hit going from Cano isn’t “slight” – it’s huge. There’s a chasm between a MVP-caliber player and a fringe-average starter. The savings from Infante instead of Cano might get you one above-average player, and I’m not sure they Yankees are better off with that instead of Cano + internal option/scrap heap. I’m working under the assumption that Infante is getting at least $8 million/year.

  15. chip56 - Nov 25, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    For what it’s worth, in the winter following the 2008 season the Yankees made an offer to Andy Pettitte that was, I think $16 mil for one year. He wasn’t ready to make a decision and so they went out and signed Sabathia, Burnett and Tex and when they went back to check on Andy they lowered the offer to $10 mil because of their other expenditures.

  16. Old Gator - Nov 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    I’m all for time limits. It’s too bad that he won’t live. But then, who does?

  17. blynch67 - Nov 25, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    The Yanks aren’t going out of their way to bust Robbie’s stones IMO. What they’re saying is “We have a lot of holes to fill and a finite budget to work with. We’d love to have you back on our team. We’re filling those holes as we speak, and the amount of coin that we have to spend gets reduced each time we fill another hole. Fish or cut bait because we might not have money left for you by Christmas time.”

    Oh and one other thing. Fugettabout 8 years and 300 million. How about 5 years and 100 million?

    • 18thstreet - Nov 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM

      There are other teams out there who would happily pay 5 years, $101 million. The Yankees do not have a monopoly on the guy. And, as much as Yankee fans seem to relish bashing him right now, he was the ONLY hitter on that team last year. I’m a Sox fan, so I hope he leaves the Yankees for the NL. But I also hope he leaves so that Yankee fans will realize how unappreciated Cano was.

  18. blynch67 - Nov 25, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    It’s not that Robbie wasn’t appreciated – in fact, far from it.

    It’s just that Robbie is/was a very good player, but he’s been smokin’ from Jazzie’s crack pipe.

    As a 50+ year Yankee fan, he’s not worth anything close to what he’s asking, and the Yanks
    have a lot of other holes to fill. Having Robbie won’t change the balance of power in the AL East, and I’m willing to wager that not having him will produce about the same result.

    I’d like to see the Yanks keep him, of course. But I’d like to see no more than 5 year deal because he is going to be 31 years old, and the history of the super long contracts is not good.

    People can argue that the out years won’t be worth it but its OK because it balances out the first years which were really good. I think that’s baloney because when a player isn’t pulling his weight anymore (say for the last 4 years) that’s when we need to go get a new player. A team can’t be on the hook for big $ to a player that under performs because they need to spend that money to get a new Free Agent.

  19. cackalackyank - Nov 25, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    I have no problem with giving a deadline if the ‘best’ offer has been made. While it is a little disconcerting knowing that there was not a whole lot of production from the lineup outside of Cano, another long term albatross contract just can’t happen, not even for the NYY. Hopefully Texeira will be a little bit better than nothing and McCann is certainly an upgrade over last year. However, there are still too many other needs for Cashman to wait until the other solutions are gone. So yes I will bash Cano for his greed. My question for Cano is, after seeing Mo exit gracefully, and leaving an epic legacy as a career Yankee, ‘Do you want a monument out there near a guy like that, or do you want to be a footnote’? Is being a bit of a legend worth anything to ya laddie?

    • jfk69 - Nov 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

      Greed??
      He is a free agent selling a service. I work for myself and if any idiot out there wants to pay me triple what the going rate is, I’ll gladly take their money. It never hurts to ask. But asking a realistic amount will give you a better chance of sealing a deal or risk the buyer goes elsewhere.

    • anxovies - Nov 26, 2013 at 4:18 PM

      There was not a lot of production from the lineup because it was one of those bizarre years where the first string went down and the replacements went down and then some of the replacement’s replacements went down, and then the pitchers were fatigued during the last month. Don’t forget that even with the 3rd string playing they were in it until C.C., Kuroda and everyone except Nova and Mariano Rivera went belly up.

  20. scottboras - Nov 25, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    After McCann, Yankees have between 46 & 50 Million left to spend on 2014. Increases by 27.5 M if Alex’s suspension is upheld. Jay-Z has been deeply involved in the appeal process, with Alex using his recommended Lawyers & PR people. While Alex might not officially be a Jay-Z Client (He’s too smart to trust his affairs to a novice), there’s friction between the Yanks & the CAA-Jay-Z sides. By pursuing the players mentioned, Yankees are making it known they’re prepared to move forward without Cano. Prevailing belief is after addressing the lineup, focus will shift to pitching. Tanaka is considered a Yankee, and the posting fee debate largely stems from the Yankees pursuit of the pitcher. Small market clubs see the Yanks manipulating the system, shielding a 60-70 M posting fee from the 189 threshold while simultaneously dropping Alex’s 27.5 M. Bottom Line: If Alex isn’t suspended the Yankees are saying there’s no room in the budget for Cano unless he agrees on Our Terms.

    After Tanaka, Yankees will make plays for Ted Lilly, Paul Maholm for the backend. They’ll look to bring back Kuroda & try to lure Garza to drive a wedge between CAA & Jay-Z.

  21. blynch67 - Nov 25, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    I think you’re wrong on several points… This is the first time I’ve heard of any connection between Aroid & Co. and Jay-Z. A-rod has a heavy duty litigating team and I don’t think that want anything to do with the likes of Jay-Z.

    The small market teams are just trying to get some of that posting fee for themselves by insisting that it be included in the luxury tax calculation. I think it BS because the small market teams have no skin in the posting of Japanese free agents. They wouldn’t participate under any circumstances, they just want to get a piece of the action for their ownership.

    I also haven’t heard of any Yankees specific interest in either Ted Lilly, Paul Maholm or Garza, although I suppose it’s a possibility. However, the bit about driving a wedge between CAA & Jay-Z seems far-fetched.

  22. eagles92 - Nov 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    18thstreet you say you’re a sox fan and your boy pedroia got a 7 year 100 mil contract. But yet you say the yanks are dumb if they don’t give cano 10 years 300 million. You honestly believe Cano is that much better than pedroia? I mean I’m not arguring that he is better but almost 16 million a year better I think not. Point is no one in their 30’s should ever get a 10 year deal and the yankees had to learn this the hard way (AROD). If Cano wants that kinda money I want the yankees to let him walk. Flat out we need to spend our money on pitching. Robbie will probably be good for the next 3-4 years but then as we all know he will start to decline like every single player does. Plus no one is gonna outbid the yanks on their original offer or else they would have already stepped up.

    • cackalackyank - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      I agree with you except for one point. I do not think any player at any age should get a guaranteed 10 year deal, ever not just guys in their 30’s. Too many things can happen. Injuries and personal issues just come up too often now. As an organization I can see where you want to “lock up” young talent, but for ten years? It also takes away flexibility. I think 5-6 years is the most that should ever be guaranteed. If you need to sweeten the deal come up with incentives or various vesting options, based on performance and health stats.

  23. anxovies - Nov 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Cano is one of the few players that might be worth an extended contract (but not for $300M). There is not much stress involved in his smooth style on the field and at bat and that may keep him healthy until his late 30s. As for the salary cap, I don’t think that is in play anymore. The Yankees can’t afford another year like 2013, the fans are already balking at the ticket prices and another bad year would probably produce an Exodus. The only way the salary cap comes up is as a tool to wave around during salary negotiations.

  24. canadatude - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    The salary cap is a joke. Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers have endless resources to play with. A real hard cap at a lower rate is more logical. How about the average payroll of all rosters plus 5 to 10 per cent extra as the new standard. The posting fee for Japanese players should also count against the cap.

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