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John Mozeliak on the Peralta signing: we are not the morality police

Nov 26, 2013, 10:31 AM EDT

Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak AP

Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch has a story talking about the bit of blowback that has come from the Jhonny Peralta signing. In it are General Manager John Mozeliak’s comments about that blowback. Preach, John:

. . . [Peralta] admitted what he did. He took responsibility for it. At this point in the game there is nothing that says he can’t go play or isn’t free to go sign with some other club. I don’t think it’s the Cardinals’ responsibility necessarily to be the morality police.”

Nope, there are plenty of people doing that. Fans and the media mostly. And their anger over the Peralta signing is every bit as ridiculous as it is counterfactual.

 

  1. Jason @ IIATMS - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    “No, I am, jackasses.”

    Signed,
    Brian McCann

    • lirianod - Nov 27, 2013 at 10:42 AM

      I think it’s laughable that there wasn’t an outrage when Mark McGwire was hired as a hitting coach, and was given a standing ovation when he returned to the Cardinals. Why no outrage for that?

  2. chill1184 - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Too bad this logic wasn’t applied to the Hall of Fame voting last year

    • nbjays - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:27 PM

      To quote Mozeliak, “. . . [Peralta] admitted what he did. He took responsibility for it.”

      Show me where Bonds or Clemens did the same.

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:14 PM

        While true, there is a 0% chance that any admission at this point would help. Maybe, if they admitted things while they were still playing, it would have helped them in the voting, but I doubt it.

        Although McGwire didn’t publicly admit anything until he had to, up until that time many in the media kept saying that all he (and others) had to do was to tell the truth and they would garner more HOF support. The year McGwire spoke publicly, his HOF vote total went down.

      • gibbyfan - Nov 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM

        MM spoke volumes with is actions………..He left millions of dollars on teh table an d quietly walkerd away….he did way more thanhe had to or should have.that was a trgedy in my opinion and nobody gives him any credit

  3. chill1184 - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Alternate option: Do PEDs, be a “nice” guy after getting caught and play on a team who gets their asses kissed by the media so much that criticizing them equates to being a leper.

  4. jc4455 - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    It was a 50 game suspension. He lost millions of dollars and his team actually had to make a trade to deal with the situation. That’s not really small.

    As for his contract being obscene, please state which of the following you have a problem with:
    1) People attending baseball games or watching them on TV
    2) MLB charging money for the entertainment product produced and delivered to baseball fans
    3) Workers getting a cut of the revenue stream generated by the baseball entertainment industry

    • friscoal - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM

      I don’t think any of the above are ‘out of bounds’. I believe that Arod’s contract is obscene along with a host of others. But if it’s not bankrupting anyone it’s alright. I simply hated to see the Cards (A team I thought was something special) get involved with that stuff. Just my opinion and it has absolutely nothing to do with yours which is as legit as the Peralta signing.

    • jc4455 - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      @friscoal The Cardinals appear to have a moderate, reasoned position with regard to PEDs. In this day and age, that’s special.

    • stex52 - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM

      Friscoal, that comes off as awfully naïve. They are a business in competition with other businesses. They followed the rules. Your beef is with the rules, not with the Cards.

      If this troubles you, how did you feel about McGwire getting a job with them?

    • sportsfan18 - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM

      jc4455

      He did NOT lose millions of dollars as you said.

      His contract for last yr was for $6 million dollars.

    • raysfan1 - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:17 PM

      (50/162)x6=1.85
      He lost $1.85M. Players on suspension don’t get paid.

  5. friscoal - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    If you’re NOT the morality police, that leaves an awful lot to the imagination of the guys you employ. News flash: PED’s are every bit as illegal as foreign substances on pitched balls, cork in bats, using electronic means to steal signs or strategies, etc.. I guess by your statement that you don’t really care about all of that stuff either.

    • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      So….you have no point then or didn’t bother reading what was said.

      As with your examples, players/teams caught doing that are penalized and then allowed to continue to play baseball in MLB. The point is that the player served his time and is allowed to play baseball. As an organization, they are not against employing people that have cheated in the past, which is not the same as saying that they are in favor of cheating.

      Derek Jeter cheated. He acted like he was hit by a ball and hopped around and shook his wrist even after arriving at 1B all to deceive the umpire to get an unearned base. The ball clearly didn’t hit him. Should all teams have refused to ever employ him again because he “cheated”?

      • Francisco (FC) - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM

        Hell forget baseball, I’d probably hire Jeter to do a Hollywood Movie.

      • Francisco (FC) - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM

        Let’s call it: Inglorious Baskets!

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:07 PM

        As long as Aldo Raine is in it, I’ll go see it.

    • raysfan1 - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      Undoubtedly not, once the discipline for whatever infraction is completed. Nor should he. His job is to field the best team he can, not to add to punishments already handed down by MLB in accordance with the CBA and JDA.

  6. chacochicken - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Option 3: Use drugs that don’t appear to statistically improve performance, be better defender than credited, serve agreed upon suspension, become free agent during year with extreme position scarcity and substantial free agent money available, sign deal with Cardinals, have sins absolved, go on to change name Drug Free Universe, saves Shire, if struck down become more powerful than we can possibly imagine.

    • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      With that contract signed, I am all for the “…become more powerful than we can possibly imagine” thing….but, if that happens, will he have to wear home whites even on the road?

    • raysfan1 - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:21 PM

      If that were doable, Darth Vader would be playing for the Yankees.

  7. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Do PEDs, have a very productive year, do small suspension, sign
    huge, obscene contract

    We’re going to play a game. I’m going to name one person who did what you described above (took PEDs, got suspended, and then signed a huge obscene contract). Then you get to name another player. We’ll go back and forth. Ready?

    Jhonny Peralta

    Now your turn…

  8. brjones9 - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Actually, Peralta was suspended for PED use in 2012, when he had a horrible year. His “very productive year” likely had nothing to do with PEDs. Nice try, though.

    The Biogenesis scandal really hurts the narrative that PEDs are magic, but no one seems to want to acknowledge that. The Biogenesis players were linked to the clinic in 2012, not 2013–the clinic was closed down by the time the 2012 season ended. The names were known by MLB no later than January 2013 when the news broke. It is likely that Peralta and others were under heavy scrutiny (with additional testing) months before the 2013 season started because of this link, meaning it’s less likely they used PEDs in 2013 than in any other year of their careers. Basically, we know they used in 2012, and we’re almost sure they didn’t in 2013.

    Why is this important? Because many of the Biogenesis players were far better in 2013 than in 2012. Here are some of the more significant names:

    Jhonny Peralta 2012: .239/.305/.384; Jhonny Peralta 2013: .303/.358/.457
    Nelson Cruz 2012: .260/.319/.460; Nelson Cruz 2013: .266/.327/.506
    Everth Cabrera 2012: .246/.324/.324; Everth Cabrera 2013: .283/.355/.381
    Antonio Bastardo 2012: 4.33 ERA; Antonio Bastardo 2013: 2.32 ERA
    Bartolo Colon 2012: 3.43 ERA; Bartolo Colon 2013: 2.65 ERA

    Yes, there were some who were worse in 2013: Braun and Melky Cabrera most notably (though injuries are probably the most likely explanation of their problems). And ARod was essentially the same hitter in 2012 and 2013. But most of the established major league players were better after they (probably) stopped using PEDs. This isn’t close to conclusive evidence of anything…but it does give a pretty strong reason to doubt that PEDs have the magical properties most fans seem to believe they have.

  9. ddefran87 - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Hey Chill I’m pretty sure Craig ripped into the Cardinals during the playoffs. Funny thing about the players bitching about peralta….they are the same players who agreed upon the CBA

    • chill1184 - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:56 AM

      I was referring more to Andy Pettite in my response, I personally don’t give a damm about Peralta’s contract either way. He served his debt to baseball society, if a team wants to give him a big contract let them.

  10. yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    So, apparently there are no lines, huh, John? What if one of your employees was a meth dealer? Do you think people would root for someone like that?

    • jc4455 - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      I mean, what’s next? Hitler???

      • cohnjusack - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:27 PM

        They aren’t so different, are they?

        1. They both had common names with weird spelling. Jhonny instead of Johnny, Adolf instead of Adolph.
        2. They both had very few Jewish co-workers.
        3. Both enjoyed minimalist facial hair.

        As you can see, there are up to 3 similarities between Jhonny Peralta and Hitler.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

        Also, Peralta played in Detroit, home of Henry Ford, and everyone knows about Henry Ford…. (pssst, Hitler).

    • micquarters - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:16 AM

      Perhaps if the meth dealer admitted his mistake and did his time that was agreed upon by everyone, then yes. People who get caught doing illegal/immoral things get 2nd chances all the time. In fact, I’d think with the way the Cardinals are talked about as doing things “the right way (which alone is laughable), they’d be getting props for giving an admitted drug user a shot! Teach him the”Cardinal Way”…whatever the hell that is

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:51 AM

        To clarify, The Cardinal Way (which is actually a thing, there is a manual and everything with that title) has nothing at all to do with morality, nor does it address “doing things the right way” or “playing the game the right way”. It is an approach for understanding baseball, recognizing and developing talent, and being professional to maximize player potential and the ability to win baseball games. It does include things about being responsible and professional, but those things are associated with work ethic (e.g. following off season workout programs, providing dietary specialists for players that need it) and respect for members in the organization (e.g. there is no hazing, no divide between veterans and rookies, everyone is a member of the same organization with one goal, winning the World Series). So, while there is a “this is how we do things” approach, it is not based on being better people, but trying to be better at baseball.

    • asimonetti88 - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:19 AM

      PEDs: just like dealing meth, only worse

    • yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:27 AM

      A lot of people rooted for Walter White.

      The best jokes are the ones that require explanations, aren’t they?

      Is this thing on?

    • cohnjusack - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      What if one of your employees was a meth dealer? Do you think people would root for someone like that?

      –People seem to like Tim Allen just fine. He spent 2 years in prison for drug trafficking.
      –A lot of people are yucking it up about Mike Tyson inexplicable new stand-up career. He’s a convicted rapist.
      –Laura Bush and Ted Kennedy both killed people in cars, people still liked them.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM

        Laura Bush doesn’t count. She got lifetime probation marrying George. She paid her dues.

  11. smoochytherhino - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    It’s totally fine if one wants to view the team as a business and say that as a business, things like morality, good citizenship/character, etc. do not factor in to its business decisions. But I have a feeling, judging from most of Craig’s views that are often revealed in his posts, he doesn’t feel that way in general about corporate social awareness.

    You can argue all day that PEDs aren’t a severe transgression like DWIs or some other crimes, but to say that a team shouldn’t take into account these things when deciding who represents it on the field is kinda disheartening. It sends a bad message across the board – to other players, to fans, and worst to kids whom, whether they play the game or are just a fan, see cheating rewarded or at the very least totally disregarded in the evaluation process.

    That’s nothing to champion. To say, “Preach on” when someone eschews morality, character and fairness in favor of a straight business is not something to be proud of, regardless of the severity one attributes to PED use. Baseball should be about our better selves, not mirror the regrettable aspects of corporate culture.

    • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

      Right, because sending the message that if you ever screw up they will turn their back on you, that is a better message.

      • smoochytherhino - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        That’s unbelievably ridiculous. Failing to reward bad behavior is not turning your back on someone. What you are suggesting is that nothing should be done about bad behavior. That is a terrible message. Further, what you suggest has absolutely zero deterrence value for the future. You cannot square PEDs are intolerable with that view. So you must approve of PEDs or believe that no behavior should be punished.

        Am I supposed to feel bad if after using PEDs (or committing some other wrong) a ballplayer doesn’t get a big contract? That is patently absurd. Not getting a contract is not putting someone in jail or denying them a civil right, it’s an MLB confined punishment or a wrong toward MLB and its other players.

        What about the guys that don’t use? What kind of a message does that send to them? Your sympathy is misplaced.

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM

        What sympathy? I have no sympathy, I just don’t care. He was suspended 50 games. It is over, you move on. Exactly how small of a contract would make you happy?

        Again, no evidence that PEDs help guys hit or field better, and no evidence that they helped Peralta do so either.

        Your venom is misplaced.

      • raysfan1 - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        The fact remains that Peralta did face consequences for his actions. He was suspended for 50 games. That is the punishment for a first offense under the JDA. He is also now subject to more frequent testing.

        If you do not like that, then your issue shoulder be with the owners and the MLBPA as a group because that is what they agreed upon. That the Cardinals are declining to heap additional punishment on the player, and injure their own chances of on field success as a result, should not be an issue. For those who wish to point out the illegality of steroid possession without a prescription–yes, correct, it is a misdemeanor…and there are players who have broken other more serious laws and been allowed back in the game once their penance is done.

        There are 30 out of 30 MLB teams that will sign the best players they can based on team needs and their budget. Peralta was the best available shortstop in the current market. He was going to be paid by someone period.

      • grumpyoleman - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM

        Better message, act like the majority of society and don’t break the rules when you know what they are.

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        Um, the majority of society does break rules when they know what they are…no, not major rules, generally, but they break them nonetheless. Indeed, the majority of society has probably driven after drinking, a far more egregious violation of society than using PEDs in hopes that it will let you play baseball better.

        Good luck finding students that aren’t willing to cheat if they know they won’t get caught….the majority of them will choose to cheat if they know they won’t get caught or there are not any consequences.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        Every woman I know is a felon (it’s illegal to give false information on your driver’s license, but I don’t know any woman who puts her real weight down).

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        Hah, good thing they don’t ask for penis size then, or you could say the same thing about every man you know.

        BTW, I am digging having the Jhonny on board; hopefully, that eases some pain you may feel at Kozma no longer starting.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        It’s amusing how people have suddenly discovered he doesn’t suck. Forwarning, he’s an upgrade for you defensively, but he doesn’t have fabulous range. Also, he’ll have a down year, then a couple up years and then a down year… Get used to saying “whalk off” though! The puns are fun.

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        Yeah, after looking at the numbers. I am hoping for average range and solid defense. It is easy to get lost when you play in Cleveland and then on a team with so many big name players….making him just some other guy. It is also easy to overlook players that are good at everything but not great at anything.

        I was actually hoping the Cardinals would go this route if they couldn’t get a decent trade done for a young SS…he’s Drew only better and more durable without losing the draft pick….but I did NOT think it would take this much to sign him….I figured $30m/3 years, tops….I guess a lot of teams realized he was undervalued…making him properly valued in the market.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        I’m gonna miss saying “Kozma!” :(

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM

        Well, he ain’t gone just yet. Still on the 40-man, at least. So, you may just have to not miss any opportunities when they arise.

        On a Cardinal blog, they were referring to Jhonny’s WAK ( wins above Kozma).

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:16 PM

        That’s terrible. :(

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        In fairness, Kozma had a WAR of 0.0 last year, so, in this case WAR = WAK.

        In general, Cardinal fans really like Kozma, we just wish he was better at baseball….I was a huge fan of the beard/mullet look he had in October.

      • cohnjusack - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        Every woman I know is a felon (it’s illegal to give false information on your driver’s license, but I don’t know any woman who puts her real weight down).

        Woah! You have to put your weight on your driver’s license? Is this normal, or do you just come from a jerk of a state?

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:53 PM

        Huh, you are right. There is no mass on my DL….oddly enough, there is such data on my fishing license from the same state.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM

        Wait, you don’t have to put your height, weight and eye color on there? Do you have to get fingerprinted too?

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:15 PM

        In CT, there is height, sex, eye color, and there is the photo….that’s it for personal info.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        For the record, I do still weigh 125lb — like I did in high school. ;)

    • indaburg - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Yes, yes. Won’t someone think of the children?

      As parents, we’re the ones with the moral responsibility to teach them. I plan to tell them when they are old enough to question me that cheating wasn’t rewarded–he paid his punishment. I will explain to them how when they do something wrong, I don’t punish them forever. Once they’ve been punished, I give them another chance. That’s what Peralta has. Another chance. Cheating is wrong. Forgiveness is not.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:17 PM

        You know, his real crime is ruining the team narrative. You see, everyone decided that the Tigers suck defensively, therefore, he could not be a good defensive player, because he played for the Tigers. Which means, he would not deserve a sizable contract for his abilities. The only other reason he would get that kind of pay would be PED’s (or in this case, PhED’s), of course. Ergo, he gets a big payday for cheating. Now, if people went by his performance numbers instead of making assumptions about his ability because of the team he played for, they would know that he was not as sucky as they assumed. They might find it believable that his higher pay was connected to market availability and talent level then. But that would not be logical, since he played for the Tigers…

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        Man, you are like….an adult or something.

    • stex52 - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:20 PM

      Take a deep breath, smoochy. Baseball is about baseball. It’s a silly sport where grown men chase a little ball around. I just happen to love watching them do it. Baseball is not about our better selves, it never was. Babe Ruth, the Black Sox, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle, Barry Bonds. Corked bats. Gaylord Perry being idolized for his very effective spitballing. Shall I go on?

      Love the sport for what it is. Punish if they are caught cheating. But then play ball.

  12. mekahldownish - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    You must not follow the game/news too closely. Peralta was accused of taking PEDs in 2012 while recovering from injury. Obviously those PEDs worked wonders as his stat-line was .239 avg w/13 HRs and 63 RBI. He had a better statistical year NOT on PEDs, so, how well do they actually work? At least he owned up to it unlike Braun, A-Rod, Melky. Solid signing for the Red Birds in a weak SS market.

  13. jjhetelle - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    So let me get this straight. For STL to fix their shortstop situation, they should take a stand against PED’s by allowing themselves to get fleeced by other teams in order to acquire a SS by giving up a Miller/Adams and/or Rosenthal. Bottom line is Peralta was the only right-handed hitting decent SS option out there & they didn’t have to give up a draft pick. The money was a reflection of the market & the premium position the guy plays. Another season with Kozma was unthinkable.

  14. dsmaxsucks - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    The GM says the Cardinals are not the morality police. He should meet their fans.

    I’m sure Ryan Braun is looking forward to the standing ovations he’ll get at rice beer stadium next year. I’m sure the best most smartest fans in baseball will treat him like he’s Mark McGwire or Albert Pujols.

    • hustleandflomax - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:17 PM

      I see that you think that you are way above St. Louis fans, cute. Now explain the correlation to McGwire and Pujols. Or is your anti-Cardinal bias just compelling you to spew random hate?

  15. spudchukar - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Please name me one team that has taken the stance, “No PED users on this team”.

    • hustleandflomax - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      Why are you trying to repress everybody’s anti-Cardinal agenda, spud? ;)

      • hustleandflomax - Nov 26, 2013 at 6:26 PM

        “suppress”, not “repress”. Sorry.

    • 18thstreet - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      The [team I root for] is pure! There was only one time that [a certain player] was caught using, and he [admitted/denied] using. You never hear about it because the media hate [my team] because they’re too busy sucking up to [a team that wins more often]!

      • apmn - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

        ARE pure. This is America, we don’t speak of teams in the singular here! USA! USA! USA!

    • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      Well, obviously, the Diamondbacks. I hear they are better at doing things the right way than any other team, especially the Dodgers. That is why the never hired Matt Williams as coach, because he is an admitted PED user and they would never hire such a person.

      • historiophiliac - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        You notice the Tigers didn’t bring him back. That’s right — righteous and humble about it. lol

      • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM

        LMAO…man, they are better at doing the right thing that the Diamondbacks, someone should tell Kirk Gibson about that.

  16. righthandofjustice - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    The morality police should be MLB. But we should know morality doesn’t exist in baseball when Melky Cabrera was allowed to use a fake website to interfere with PED investigation without punishment.

    Morality ceased to exist in a community when it shamelessly impeded the investigation of the government, impersonated cops, threatened witnesses, tempered evidence and to the dismay of the general public, opened stated it was not their concern when they knew somebody sold PEDs to minors.

  17. hustleandflomax - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    The PED discussion is over a decade old, so why is Jhonny freakin’ Peralta suddenly the antithesis of the Moral Code of Conduct?

    • righthandofjustice - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:54 PM

      Because Peralta got his PED apparently from Biogenesis. Players who got their PEDs elsewhere like Marlon Byrd and Carlos Ruiz and offered big contracts just days ago have been left alone.

      Obviously, players involved in the Biogenesis scandal are less equal than the others.

  18. xjokerz - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    for once i agree with Craig, this Peralta hate is unbelievable.

  19. tombando - Nov 26, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Oh I think it’s fine that he was signed, he did the time and there’s Nada written in their labor agreement that precludes Peralta getting megabucks once the suspension is over. Unless they include a sort of salary cap or whatever on offenders in the labor agreement language, good luck guys.

    “Want some free legal advice? Never put ‘Unintended’ in the same sentence as ‘Immediate release’, okay? Okay!-”

  20. kp53153 - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Players have been using PED’s in one form or another since baseball began and I, personally could care less what they take! It’s entertainment, it’s baseball, it’s fun to watch and be a part of. I’m so sick of hearing about these PED’s because I just don’t care! These players are only hurting themselves in the long run so let’s just move and play the game. There’s more important issues in this world than who’s taking super vitamins … geesh …

    • paperlions - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      * couldn’t

  21. nbjays - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    I love all the faux outrage and hand-wringing from “purist” Cardinal fans who never uttered a word when the Cards hired Mark McGwire as the hitting coach for the 2010 season but gave him a standing ovation at the home opener.

    • hustleandflomax - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:01 PM

      So who started the myth that Cardinal fans are more puritanical than any other team’s fans? I am a Cards fan and I certainly don’t throw rocks from my single-paned glass house. And by the way, many Cards fans are actually okay with the signing. It’s the non-Cards fans here that are the ones throwing hissy fits. ;)

      • crackersnap - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:27 PM

        Were you not here during the Cardinals’ run to the World Series a few weeks ago, when we were all being overrun by Cards’ fans browbeating us with The Cardinal Way???

      • hustleandflomax - Nov 26, 2013 at 6:22 PM

        Surely you’re smart enough to know that the VERY few that you’ve seen in here do not represent the millions of Cards fans all throughout the country.

  22. missingdiz - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    For some reason I’m hearing Leon Russell sing “Stranger in a Strange Land.” My city’s transportation dept. confirmed that over 300 drivers (out of about 1000) not only exceed the speed limit on my street but roll through like it didn’t exist (specifically, 300 go over 32 in a 25 mph zone). That’s not bad enough for the trans. dept. to do anything about it. It’s illegal but tolerated. Speeders kill tens of thousands of people in the US every year. Statistically, it’s just as dangerous as drunk driving. Do we permanently ostracize somebody who gets a speeding ticket? Has any PED-using baseball player killed somebody?

  23. mvpcowboys - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Lets hear the issue when the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox sign a suspended mlb player. Americas about 5th chances so what’s the issue?

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