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The Mariners are targeting Nelson Cruz, Carlos Beltran

Nov 26, 2013, 8:09 AM EDT

The fact that they’re looking for pop is not surprising. But Buster raises a good question:


Cruz I could see, simply because I feel like his market may be a bit constrained overall and Seattle may represent his best bet. Beltran has many more options and the question of “do I go to Seattle?” is highly unlikely to ever come up for him.

As for hitters steering clear of Seattle in general? Probably worth noting that, while Safeco did not become a hitter’s haven as a result of moving in the fences before the 2013 season, it did catapult from the worst park for hitters in baseball in 2012 to middle-of-the-pack this past season. Granted, single season park factors can be misleading, but it may be something where, over time, the place starts to lose its reputation as the ballpark where hitters go to die.

  1. mdbengal - Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Move the team to Oklahoma City.

    • yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:14 AM

      Upvoted for emotional cruelty.

      • proudlycanadian - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:20 AM


    • shawnuel - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:46 AM


    • homergreenz - Nov 26, 2013 at 4:19 PM


    • mick2014 - Nov 29, 2013 at 9:57 PM

      Can Calcaterra already stop with the rumors! Beltran already said in the Puerto rican newspaper that he’s making a decision in mid December & that there are 10 teams that have talked to him.

  2. proudlycanadian - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    Show them the money in a long term contract and they will come.

    • chip56 - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:20 AM

      Exactly – in the early 90s the Yankees were considered a team no one would want to play for – they were losing, their owner was considered nuts; so they overpaid for a couple of key guys (Jimmy Key and Mike Gallego) and started turning their reputation around. Mets did the same thing a few years back with Pedro and the Nationals did it with Jayson Werth. All you need is that one big fish to start recruiting other players.

      They should make a major push for Robinson Cano. Getting him in the fold would make other players take them a lot more seriously.

  3. chip56 - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:06 AM


    Assuming you keep track of such things, you know I’m an anti-PED guy and want to see the players who get caught be more severely punished. Having said that, I have a much bigger problem with an accused rapist who bought his way out of a conviction a few years back getting $48.5 million over 2 years from his NBA team than I do with Peralta, Byrd and Ruiz signing big contracts. Your thoughts?

  4. yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    Did SafeCo play more like a hitter’s park or was the difference all the one dimensional power hitters they brought in last winter? It looks like the HR rate increased substantially, but the Mariners offense was still terrible.

  5. chacochicken - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Who wants to see Cruz foundering around in the slightly less spacious RF? They’ve already got their share of DH candidates. I doubt Beltran is interested at all. Seems like they could better spend on other FAs.

    • yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:26 AM

      If they can just avoid doing anything really stupid, their pitching could carry them a long way.

    • moogro - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

      ” It is easy to confuse the words founder and flounder, not only because they sound similar but also because the contexts in which they are used tend to overlap. Founder means, in its general and extended use, ‘fail or come to nothing; sink out of sight’ as in the plan foundered because of lack of organizational backing. Flounder, on the other hand. means ‘struggle; move clumsily; be in a state of confusion,’ as in new recruits floundering in their first week.”

      You would be correct in saying either about Cruz. But since you added “around” then flounder is better.

      • indaburg - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

        Pedant. (Is that the correct word?)

      • moogro - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:59 AM

        That’s fair. Everyone has their things. I just can’t shut my brain off to this one.

      • yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM

        Far more elegant than grammar Nazi, IMO.

      • stex52 - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:04 AM

        In general, ships founder and people flounder. I don’t think suggesting a little precision in grammar or usage is a bad thing. Now I have set myself up for some abuse the next time I use a sloppy expression.

      • yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        You think we’ll wait that long?


    • chacochicken - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM

      Ahem, although Cruz does appear to be a foundering vessel at times. He does flounder about in RF. Please sir, may I have another.

  6. manifunk - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    The whole notion that the Mariners would have to pay a “premium” to get a slugger/star player is ridiculous. Whoever pays the most money gets the free agent. The Mariners missed out on Fielder and Hamilton because they didn’t offer as much guaranteed money, pure and simple. These notions propagated by Olney and his ilk is just more moronic narrative.

    • yahmule - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:19 AM

      I wish somebody would pay me a lot of money to live in the beautiful state of Washington.

      • stex52 - Nov 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        Right on, Yah. Making tons of money in Seattle. I could be fine with that myself.

  7. chip56 - Nov 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    They should make a major push for Robinson Cano. He will give their offense some credibility and they can use Ackley in a deal for a SS or OF.

    • byjiminy - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:27 AM

      Signing Cano to an A-Rod/Pujols type contract would be a major push right off a cliff. Nothing against Cano as a player, but he’ll be on the downside of his career soon, and is asking for way too much money. They should find somebody younger, or who they can sign to a shorter contract. Whoever wins the Cano sweepstakes will be very sorry in five years, if not sooner.

      • chip56 - Nov 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM

        Younger players who have Cano’s ability don’t get to free agency. You have to trade for them and, short of King Felix and maybe a prospect like Zunio the M’s don’t have that guy to deal.

    • shawnuel - Nov 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

      Yeah…though I think Miller is going to be fine at short. Go for the OF or sign Napoli and jettison Smoak. I’m sad Bourjos is off the table. Would rather have him than any of the FA options out there. Also don’t think they need a “Big bat” just a “good” one.

  8. doctornature - Nov 26, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Pitchers Park. It’s why King Feliz didn’t test the market. Hitters don’t want to come there for the same way Pitchers don’t want to sign in Texas. They already have pitching, so they better concentrate on the Draft to build their pipeline with hitting prospects

  9. NYTolstoy - Nov 26, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    True last year Seattle was second in most HRs hit in the AL. yet 10th or worst in OPS, BA, OBP. Which probally had a lot to do with the hitters they had. Guys with power but nothing much more. IE. Raul Ibanez, Morse, Morales.

  10. xjokerz - Nov 26, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    this may seem as a surprise to Buster Olney, but not everyone wants to play for the yankees and the redsux.

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