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A-Rod on why we should believe him now when he’s lied before: “I’m not sure”

Dec 2, 2013, 2:30 PM EST

Yankees' Rodriguez stands at third base in the eighth inning of their MLB American League baseball game against the Red Sox in Boston Reuters

That’s just a tease from a big, big, huge, giant article in New York Magazine about Alex Rodriguez and his battle with Major League Baseball. Nowhere in there does it ever get to why we should believe him, but along the way there are all kinds of those interesting A-Rod details that, for some reason, a lot of people just can’t get enough of.

For my part: who needs to believe A-Rod? I don’t. Nor do I think it matters. Even if he was lying through his teeth and took all manner of illegal supplements over the past years, the point is that a player shouldn’t get a 211-game suspension as first-time punishment under a drug program that mandates 50 games for a first offense. Even if the player is an ass no one much likes.

Crazy, I know, but it’s amazing what people think is fair based on whether or not you’re popular.

  1. normcash - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    I’m not sure how much leeway the arbitrator has. Beyond the PED issue and A-Rod’s
    alleged lies about it, there is a mountain of evidence that he tried to obstruct the investigation.
    That might merit additional suspension time beyond a first-offense PED penalty. On the other hand,
    if the MLB Basic Agreement is silent on that question, I think the arbitrator’s hands would be tied as
    it’s axiomatic in contract arbitration that a ruling must be justified within the “four corners” of the
    agreement.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:48 PM

      I recall hearing that ARod tried to buy evidence that proved Manfred and MLB were buy the evidence of players use. I also recall stories that ARod refused Bosch’s offer to sell him the more incriminating stuff, which is why Bosch eventually went to MLB to sell it.

      I may be misremembering, but I don’t recall hearing much about the evidence that ARod obstructed the investigation.

      I am also not sure if this is ONLY about the degree of punishment. It seems that there should be more resistance from the MLBPA when MLB suspends players without a failed test. I don’t believe it had ever been done before, and it seems like a bad precedent for the MLBPA to offer no resistance.

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:54 PM

        Yea, but if you want to play the game of who did dirty, underhanded things, you could also talk about how MLB purchased mediacal records illegally. You could talk about how MLB paid off witnesses for testimony in their favor. You could talk about MLB hiring people to “convince” others reluctant to testify. You could talk about MLB using lawsuits and leverage to force people to testify.

        Both sides were equally as dirty on this one. Only A-Rod is getting called out, because as mentioned in the article, it’s amazing what people will let fly when a player is not popular.

      • raysfan1 - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:56 PM

        Whether the MLBPA should have resisted or not, that precedent has now been set with the other Biogenesis suspensions this year.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:51 PM

      Problem is, there are no provisions for extra punishment, nor are there any punishments for lying or for obstruction. So anything outside of “Did he use steroids” is completely immaterial. And if you determine that he did use steroids, then the penalty is 50 games. Not “whatever the hell MLB feels like”.

      It’s really simple. The JDA and CBA say a first time suspension is 50 games. Period. End of story. No what if a player does A, B, or C.

      The fact of the matter is MLB is trying to punish Alex for actions they have no right to punish him for, and that’s a direct result of them failing to use any forward thinking when designing the JDA and CBA. They are trying to make up rules as they go along because it suits their needs at the moment, and you can’t simply do that.

      • bfunk1978 - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:00 PM

        What about the nebulous “best interests of baseball” clause?

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        From what I remember, that was at one time the line of thinking of how they would suspend him, however that clause is not part of the JDA, and they specifically suspended him under the clauses provisioned in the JDA. I believe the thinking was that the best interests of baseball clause would open them up to a lawsuit, or an easier ability for Alex to fight the suspension.

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        Here it is.

        http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9568200/bud-selig-best-interests-alex-rodriguez-case

        “Yet when it was time to suspend the Biogenesis 14, with what appears to be an overwhelming amount of evidence against Rodriguez, plus the internal anger in the commissioner’s office toward him for his defiance, Selig did not use his “best interest of baseball” power to ban Rodriguez for life.

        The reason: In the framework of collective bargaining, Selig’s “best interest” power is largely a symbolic hammer. Under close scrutiny and an arbitration challenge by the players’ association, it would likely dissolve like rosin in a pitcher’s hand. Imposing the best interest clause could actually weaken Selig’s mandate and undermine what has been an unprecedented level of momentum the sport has toward punishing performance-enhancing drug use.”

      • bigharold - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:19 PM

        “What about the nebulous “best interests of baseball” clause?”

        In the best interest of baseball perhaps MLB shouldn’t have tried to hang him when they didn’t have the authority? Perhaps they shouldn’t have tried to rewrite the CBA and JDA to suit heir interest, .. sort of making it up as they went? They certainly shouldn’t have come across as second rate thugs nor should they have used a lying scam artist like Anthony Bosch, nor should they have did their share of evidence purchasing and witness payoffs and they shouldn’t have subverted the civil court system for a worthless law suit merely to gain subpoena power and compel third parties to testify.

        There were a lot of things that MLB could have done in the best interest of baseball but instead they got of the high self righteous sanctimonious horse. They chose to make an example out of A-Rod and in affect they look just as bad as A-Rod, .. two sides of the hypocrisy. The smart thing would have been to suspend him for 50 games, .. let him appeal it and if they have the evidence they say they do he loses and his already tenuous reputation is irrevocably shattered. If A-Rod did what they claim he did he only gets a 50 game suspension not because it’s fair, or right but because that is what everybody agreed to in the CBA/JDA, .. end of story.

        Now MLB finds themselves in a mud wrestling contest and like the old saying goes; .. never wrestle with a pig, .. you both get dirty but the pig likes it. Assuming that they have the evidence, .. MLB couldn’t have handled this any worse.

      • clydeserra - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:21 PM

        further, the “Best interest of baseball” clause is not subject to arbitration, soif Bud had suspended him under that, there is no arbitration hearing

      • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Dec 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM

        @clydeserra I challenge you to provide evidence to support your claim. In the article I both linked and quoted.

        “Under close scrutiny and an arbitration challenge by the players’ association”

      • raym64 - Dec 3, 2013 at 3:10 PM

        Very well put Scout! It really is that simple. I know there are a LOT of people that can’t stand the guy, but if this punishment is aloud to stand, it sets a really bad precedent.

    • anxovies - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:53 PM

      “[T]here is a mountain of evidence that he tried to obstruct the investigation.” And you know this how? I think you are confusing leaks, press reports from a friend of a friend and media speculation as fact. I don’t know how old you are but if you were around in 1996, you probably thought that it was a fact that Richard Jewell bombed the Olympic Park in Atlanta.

      • normcash - Dec 2, 2013 at 6:53 PM

        How about “reportedly a mountain of evidence”? Feel better now?

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    • lisaggamino - Dec 2, 2013 at 8:30 PM

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  2. sdelmonte - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    In a related development, New York magazine announced it will print biweekly next year and run longer stories. This is apparently a glimpse of the future.

    In other words, make mine The New Yorker.

  3. tfbuckfutter - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    If I wanted smoke blown up my ass I’d be at home with a pack of cigarettes and a short length of hose.

    • anxovies - Dec 2, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      Try a 2 foot piece of 3 inch conduit and a stick of butter. You will enjoy it more.

      • tfbuckfutter - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        Always listen to the voice of experience.

  4. raysfan1 - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    The A-Rod paradox:
    “Everything I ever say is a lie.”
    “What I just said is true.”

  5. rbj1 - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    IIRC, didn’t we read here last week about how MLB’s investigation interfered with the state of Florida’s investigation of Biogenesis? So MLB can cry me a river about obstruction, they’re doing what George Steinbrenner did against Dave Winfield, which got George a lifetime suspension (since reduced). So suspend A-Rod 211 games, but permanently ban Bud Selig & Rob Manfred.

  6. PanchoHerreraFanClub - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    It is not about fairness or even like or dislike of ARod. It is about what is written in the CBA. MLB thinks the agreement says they can suspend 211 games. ARod thinks one inning is too much under the agreement. The arbitrator is the way that both the players and MLB and the CBA says the dispute will be settlement. Everything else is just hubris.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Dec 4, 2013 at 9:00 AM

      Actually, it’s about the JDA, which is separate from the CBA. You can read both documents online!

      http://www.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf

      http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

  7. neelymessier - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    dirty hands in MLB do not make Arod’s choices smell any better. We’ll see what happens.

    Here’s MLB’s statement on the suspension:

    “Rodriguez’s discipline under the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program is based on his use and possession of numerous forms of prohibited performance-enhancing substances, including Testosterone and human growth hormone, over the course of multiple years. Rodriguez’s discipline under the Basic Agreement is for attempting to cover up his violations of the Program by engaging in a course of conduct intended to obstruct and frustrate the Office of the Commissioner’s investigation.”

    • bigharold - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:28 PM

      Even if they can prove A-Rod did everything they claim that AND that he was selling PEDs on the side, .. it’s still only a 50 game suspension.

      If he did give him his 50 games a move on. Stop trying to make him out to be the worst villain since the inception of villainy.

      • cur68 - Dec 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM

        We prefer “History’s Greatest Monster” (HGM). And, yeah. 50 games and none of this happens. But 211 games? Well, how is any of this helping the best interests of baseball? Nice job, Bud. Ya schmuck.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 2, 2013 at 7:52 PM

        Part A- you are simply incorrect. If he in fact used and sold, those are sperate offenses, and can have seperate penalties.

        Part B- He effectively said A-Rod is a scumbag. That is not the same as callign him the worst villain since the inception of villainy. Its not even close

        For the record – A-Rod is a scumbag

      • mustang6984 - Dec 3, 2013 at 2:22 AM

        bigharold…WRONG! Recruiting others in to the world of PEDs is easily a life time ban offense. And for my money, THAT is what he deserves. Along with the removal of ALL evidence that he ever played the game.

  8. myhawks1976 - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    its called “the best interest of baseball” clause. its real and it exists. it gives bud leeway. you don’t have to like it. but you do have to accept it.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Dec 2, 2013 at 3:34 PM

      Apparently ARod does not have to accept it…or at least it remains to be seen if he has to accept it. I think it is sad when an organization can throw away the rule book and levy unscripted arbitrary punishment against a player because he is unpopular.

      • thepoolshark - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM

        Where did you or anyone get the idea that the ‘Roid is being 211 games because he is ‘unpopular’?

        He has admitted 3 years of use, lied on National TV repeatedly, has a mountain of evidence that forced 13 millionaires to forfeit millions without a whimper, and people say he is being railroaded because he is ‘unpopular’?

        I don’t get it. I KNOW he is unpopular. I can’t stand the fraud, and I hated OJ Simpson too, because he’s a murderer and thief, not because he’s ‘unpopular’

        Nowhere in the leaks or statements from anyone in MLB have I seen anything about the 211 game suspension being imposed because the ‘Roid is unpopular. (I have seen writer’s stories about it, but they are pure click-bait). It has been repeatedly stated it is because they have multiple proof of multiple violations over many years, and proof of him obstructing the investigation.

        The idiot tried to hire a lawyer for Bosch, for God’s sake. What innocent man would do that?

        He first denied he was a patient, then last week did a 180 and said Bosch was a ‘consultant’ You believe THAT? Like Cervelli saying he went to the clinic for advice on weight loss or some such bs. Braun initially tried the same thing, but in the end accepted 65 games without a murmur.

        The ‘Roid is unpopular, I will give you that. But he is getting 211 rammed up his posterior because he has repeatedly flaunted the rules, lied, recruited others to the clinic, obstructed the investigation, and tried to buy his way out of all of it. His lack of popularity has nothing to do with it.

      • clydeserra - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        You don’t understand a lot of how the world works and laws/rules and such, do you pool shark?

      • johnchesterny - Dec 2, 2013 at 5:51 PM

        Where did you or anyone get the idea that the ‘Roid is being 211 games because he is ‘unpopular’?

        That idea came from Team A-Rod. It is their best they can come up with in terms of a defense.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Dec 3, 2013 at 10:43 AM

        Because the suspension of 420% of the prescribed punishment for his offense is directly proportional to Bud’s desire to grandstand. Nobody would have stood for such a penalty on a popular player, or average player. Bud was counting on ARod unpopularity as a lubricant to help his dictatorial move slip through the court of public opinion without too much friction.

        We will see what the arbitration panel decides, but so far I have not seen or heard convincing evidence to support Bud piling on here. I hope we do eventually get access to whatever evidence is used to determine the outcome so all of these theoretical arguments can cease.

      • mustang6984 - Dec 3, 2013 at 2:19 AM

        He has the right to appeal. What ever comes out of the appeal is what he WILL have to accept. The other option is he gets banned from baseball for life. And that…is NOT open to appeal. (My preference would be that, along with removal of all evidence of his existence in the sport)
        No one is trowing away the rule book in the hearings, unlike Rodriguez who DID throw away the rule book. He continued use PEDs, he recruited minor league players into the PED world, and he he has been caught in NUMEROUS lies.
        Being suspended is the best he can hope for…and 211 games will take him deep into 2015, which basically means he is done as a player anyhow. He will be so far out of shape by then, he’ll be doing well to even lift a bat, let alone swing one. And baseball will be better without him!

        clydeserra…I understand world works, rules and laws and such…and Alex has broken pretty much ALL of the rules, and some of the laws. He’s LUCKY all he is facing is suspension and probably the end of his career. He could be looking at much worse, and really…he should be.

  9. hbegley6672 - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    He should be suspended 211 if the cover up and tampering allegations are true. You just compared apples to bowling balls

    • clydeserra - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:25 PM

      how do you get to 211? under what authority?

      • tfbuckfutter - Dec 2, 2013 at 4:30 PM

        It WAS the remaining games in 2013 and all of 2014 when the suspension was handed down.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 2, 2013 at 5:36 PM

        And one to grow on!

      • mustang6984 - Dec 3, 2013 at 2:08 AM

        He has been issued a suspension of 211 games. He was caught RED HANDED trying to seduce farm club team members into the lifestyle of PEDs! For that alone he needs to be suspended.
        Additionally ANY records or semblance of his existence in the sport needs to be removed forever!

      • mustang6984 - Dec 3, 2013 at 2:10 AM

        Actually, that suspension goes into 2015 season as well. he deserves it..all of it, and more!

  10. irokkit - Dec 2, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    I’ve got an idea…..suspend A-Roid for the entire 211 games.
    Take 50% of his “lost” salary and refurbish all the dilapidated youth baseball parks around the country. Take 25% of his “lost” salary and promote healthy habits to college baseball players. Refund the other 25% to the Yankees.
    And then forget about A-rod.
    Wait ten years…then remember Alex Rodriguez for all the work he did to change baseball for the better.
    Turn this historic Error into a Positive force.

    • mustang6984 - Dec 3, 2013 at 2:03 AM

      He hasn’t done ANYTHING to change baseball for the better. Any reference to his existence within the game needs to be removed…permanently!

  11. gloccamorra - Dec 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    I’m reminded of that classic cartoon of a little girl saying to her mother, “you lied to us about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. How do we know you’re not lying about granola?”

  12. rwlsports - Dec 3, 2013 at 1:59 AM

    A-Rod is now a joke, not a player.

    • mustang6984 - Dec 3, 2013 at 2:01 AM

      He’s been a joke, a BAD one for a long time.

  13. mustang6984 - Dec 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    There are only a few things to believe about Alex Rodriguez
    A) He is a LIAR
    B) his career is finished
    C) He is a liar
    D) He is guilty of not only using PEDs again, but of trying to draft farm club members into the same illegal activity
    E) He is a liar
    F) he deserves EVERY day of that 211 game suspension
    G) And finally, he is a LIAR!

  14. mvd513 - Dec 3, 2013 at 4:08 AM

    FREE A-ROD!!!!

  15. louhudson23 - Dec 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    He is going down and hard. They have his ass.Period.All this posing is just people around him cashing checks off his ego….

  16. righthandofjustice - Dec 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    The “virtual” people never side with the players no matter how nice the stars are in real life or how great they perform on the field. Remember what names Magic was called when he was tested HIV positive? Things changed dramatically though when Magic the HIV positive player became Magic the owner of the L.A. Dodgers.

    The fact is on the internet, nobody believes (or pretends to believe) whatever the players said if they defy the owners or the leagues, regardless they are A-Rod, Magic, or Air Jordan the professional sport players. Things changed for Magic and Jordan when they became professional sport team owners though. However, the reality is you hear different REAL people with different opinions and perceptions on these players in the REAL parts of our world, whether it is the McDonald’s, Main Street, classroom of a university, etc.

    The fact is when a player donated almost 5 million dollars to the youths of our country the “virtual” people still called him a cheap slumlord, but when the entire MLB collectively donated just a mere $200,000 to the typhoon victims the press made a HEADLINE to praise their *cough* *cough* “noble deed”.

    I don’t think A-Rod really cares if anybody “believes” him. He just wants the REAL WORLD to see the truth color of Selig and the other MLB clowns.

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