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Angels GM shoots down Mark Trumbo trade rumors

Dec 4, 2013, 11:47 AM EDT

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Mark Trumbo has been linked to various teams in trade rumors, but yesterday Angels general manager Jerry Dipoto tried to squash that speculation by telling Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times:

I wouldn’t even say we’re willing to trade Mark. We haven’t been out there shopping Trumbo. At the end of the day, our intention is to keep our team together and solve our starting pitching issues as best we can.

“I wouldn’t even say we’re willing to trade” is a helluva thing to say about a defensively challenged 27-year-old with a .299 career on-base percentage. There’s no doubting that Trumbo has excellent power, but as an all-around player he’s extremely flawed and his .768 career OPS is nothing special. Dipoto and the Angels should probably be looking to cash him in for decent value if offers are out there.

  1. tc4306 - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Trust the sabermetric guys to be beating the “all round player” drum.

    But only 11 AL players hit 30 plus HR last year and Trumbo was one of them.

    Only 9 AL players had 100 or more (totally useless in the sabermetic world
    but pretty significant in the real world) RBI’s and Trumbo was one of them.

    He’s entering his first arbitration year with a projected salary of $4.7m

    He has two more years of team control and at least the first two
    will be well below market value.
    They’d need to get a lot back to replace that firepower.

    Expecting a whole lot of “thumbs down” because I dared to suggest that
    RBI’s might actually matter and that a baseball team might need different
    types of players, not simply a bunch of “all round guys.”

    • losangelesfan - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      “all round guys” with grit.

    • alang3131982 - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Scoring runs does matter. The fact that someone accumulates RBIs has a lot to do with where you bat in order than actual ability. With runners in scoring position, Trumbo bats .252/.303/.478, which is pretty average (at best). His RBIs are a function of Mike trout being in front of him. You know how many hitters have a better average than that since 2010? about 180. How many have a higher OBP? more than 240. Better Slugging %? 40.

      A true producer must do one thing first: not make an out.

      Mark Trumbo does exactly one thing well: hits for power. Thats a skill and it’s not unuseful but it doesnt make him special really (unless you compare him to the rest of the world, not the elite baseball universe).

      • Kevin Gillman - Dec 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

        So Mike Trout scored all 100 runs with his RBIs? Wow, the dude can do everything, he can also pitch to himself too, but he doesn’t want to be a showboat.

    • alang3131982 - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM

      Also, I meant to ask. Why do RBIs matter? What do RBIs mean? What does getting an RBI on a ground out mean for a batter? Other than he didnt strike out?

      How valuable is one RBI? There were 19,271 RBIs last year. Trumbo had like .5% of the RBIs in major league baseball. Tehre were 184,873 plate appearances last year. Trumbo had like .4% of the PAs.

      • grumpyoleman - Dec 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM

        Jeez, maybe you now have one more run on the scoreboard than you did before he came up. Last time I checked the scoreboard determined the winner of the game not a bunch of computer programs.

      • km9000 - Dec 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

        Yes, there is no skill more valuable than the ability to WILL the top of the order to get on base for you to drive in.

      • spudchukar - Dec 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM

        OK grumpy, let me put it to you this way. Trumbo’s power doesn’t outweigh his deficiencies. And playing him doesn’t make your chances of having more runs than the opposition at the end of the game probable.

        Not to mention, with Hamilton and Pujols, who both can and need to occasionally occupy the DH position to maximize their aging contributions, Trumbo gets in the way. And this just in. Your pitching sucks and you need help there, and Trumbo is probably the only way to improve that issue, cause you already blew all your cash.

      • tc4306 - Dec 4, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        Ahh, the intransigent sabermatricians have arrived.
        I knew you’d get here eventually.
        Late night was it?
        You guys are so predictable I could write your posts for you.
        I just laugh out loud when I you launch into “superior knowledge” mode
        and generate your sarcastic and somewhat demeaning posts.
        Its a hoot….

      • pbastille - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        Sounds like you’re not looking forward to him as the O’s DH, eh Al?

      • raysfan1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

        There are some (many?) who think the RBI is a worthless stat. It is not. It does give one indication of a hitter’s ability. However, the anti-advanced stat crowd would be well served to understand that RBI totals are also dependent upon the quality of the other hitters on the team. After all, at the theoretical extreme, if if a hitter always comes up to bat with the bases empty, hits .300 with 30HRs, then his RBI total will be 30.

        Is there value in a run-scoring fielder’s choice or sac fly? Of course. Would I prefer he got a base hit to score that run? Of course. Would I prefer a non-RBI walk over the run-scoring out? Presuming I have confidence in the hitters coming up, generally yes, but not always. Obvious example: tie game, bottom of the 9th, I’ll take run-scoring sac fly for the win, thanks.

        @tc4309, I find your use of the term “intransigent sabremetrician” when nobody who responded to you used advanced stats in their comments interesting.

      • km9000 - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:18 PM

        Both sides think their knowledge is superior to the other’s, and express that in sarcastic and somewhat demeaning ways. No different than politics.

      • grumpyoleman - Dec 4, 2013 at 5:01 PM

        My response was to “Also, I meant to ask. Why do RBIs matter? What do RBIs mean? What does getting an RBI on a ground out mean for a batter? Other than he didnt strike out?”

        Has nothing to do with Trumbo or Willing anything.

        But I’m in the it does matter crowd. You can judge what someone’s RBI totals mean if you know the game and understand his situation. To say that RBI’s themselves don’t matter is just plain stupid.

      • alang3131982 - Dec 4, 2013 at 5:13 PM

        Fine, i’ll make my question more specific: what do RBIs tell you that another better statistic such as On Base Percentage or slugging percentage or even batting average cant tell you?

        All they add is that there was someone on base when the batter got a hit, walked or collected an extra base hit.

        That’s not valuable in determining a player’s worth considering he had nothing (or very little) to do with that player getting on base.

        If you want to talk about clutch or hitting with RISP, talk about someone’s slash line with a runner on base, dont give bulk RBIs that, as far as i can tell, only give you a vague notion that a batter came up with teammates on base (which, again, does really provide any meaning) often or not often.

    • asimonetti88 - Dec 4, 2013 at 6:51 PM

      I think the key thing you touched on is the affordability. He is a respectable replacement when Albert and Hamilton are inevitably injured. I hope we keep him, unless they are blown out of the water by a trade offer.

  2. losangelesfan - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Kingman with slightly better contact. If they can get a decent innings eater, they better do it.

  3. icanspeel - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    It probably translates to he didn’t get any decent offers for Trumbo so probably best to keep him than just give him away.

  4. aceboogie1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Trade him to Toronto for Arencebia + pitching prospect

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:36 PM

      Clown comment! Arencibia is a free agent.

  5. markofapro - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Keep him there.

    Signed,

    Rangers 15 and 4 against Angels last year.

    P.s- does your little metric system take that into account?

  6. km9000 - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    I’d prefer they keep him mainly because he can be insurance for Pujols/Hamilton. At least enjoy his usual good first-half production, then trade him at the All-Star for whatever need arises. …Unless it’s to replace Pujols/Hamilton.

    As much as I like Kendrick, I kinda hope they can deal him for a pitcher instead, although the latest word isn’t very encouraging. Callaspo got dealt for Grant Green, leading Bourjos to get dealt for Freese. If Green just ends up as a reserve, Bourjos will seem like even more of a waste.

  7. uwsptke - Dec 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Cash out now, if the offer is decent. He’s basically a right-handed, much healthier version of Russell (The Muscle) Branyon, except Branyon knew how to take a walk.

  8. dhalb34 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Everyone in the West minus the Mariners (because who knows what the hell they’re doing), have improved their rosters. Even the Astros are making moves. The Angles will have one of the worst rosters in the majors because of age and inability to find SP outside of Weaver and Wilson. I feel bad for Trout that he has to be on a roster that is not even close to competing for the AL West title right now. Hopefully they find something in the winter meetings, but I doubt it.

  9. wihalofan - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    For what it’s worth, he’s actually a pretty good fielding first baseman.

  10. losanginsight - Dec 4, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Good thing that lil Jerry the GM signed Puljos or they could have had Trumbo playing his natural position at 1st, #3 #4 and a#5 starter. You can pencil the jalos to finish no better than 3rd in the AL west for another 3 years or until the hire a real GM.

  11. nymets4ever - Dec 5, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    umm…last I checked, driving in runs still matters. There’s this thing called the scoreboard, it’s kind of a big deal.

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