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Robinson Cano met with the Mariners in Seattle

Dec 4, 2013, 2:14 PM EDT

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As a follow-up to yesterday’s reports that the Mariners were making a serious run at Robinson Cano, now Kevin Kernan of the New York Post reports that the free agent second baseman and his agent met with the Mariners in Seattle.

Kernan’s source told him “the meeting went very well.”

There’s also been some recent speculation that the Rangers might make a run at Cano, but Texas general manager Jon Daniels more or less squashed that notion during an interview today.

  1. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    To all the people that said Cano will never be a mariner you guys are going be real salty soon lol

    • yournuts - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:25 PM

      Cano will never be a Mariner, never. He would make 10 time the money in endorsements in New York and be able to hang with JayZ and all the beautiful people. Count on him staying on the east coast and most likely back in the Bronx. You have to look at the big picture, it doesn’t make dollars and cents for Robbie to leave New York.

      • largebill - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM

        Sadly, you’re likely right. Opportunities in NY dwarf those in other cities. However, haven’t seen Cano doing a lot of endorsements so who knows what his marketability is.

      • yahmule - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:26 PM

        His marketability is minimal and won’t get any better. The lavish endorsements are the second promise his neophyte agent won’t be able to deliver on for him.

      • lirianod - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        I guess you guys forgot that right after signing with Roc Nation Sports, he signed an endorsement deal with Pepsi to be the face of its national MLB marketing campaign.

      • dluxxx - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:48 PM

        Ahh, come on! Don’t downplay the legal marijuana angle. They don’t test for it, and he can smoke all he wants. Who WOULDN’T want to play in Seattle???

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      you should really spend your time thinking about the Phillies.
      how you like that 2009 world series, whose ya daddy?

      • historiophiliac - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        Sh$t just got classy, y’all.

      • jwbiii - Dec 4, 2013 at 10:53 PM

        Speaking of which, you commented something like this on an earlier Cano thread. . .

        Tea cups: a surprisingly barfy experience. Seven year olds laughing at me. Where's my stroller?— Craig Calcaterra (@craigcalcaterra) December 4, 2013

    • caeser12 - Dec 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      Can’t wait to see Cano in his first “Stop Freakin, Call Beacon,” commercial.

  2. seahawks80 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    It’s a Yankee fan, if he refuses to lower his price tag then I hope he does sign with Seattle…..I also hope he likes losing

  3. jfk69 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    JAY Z DON’T DO SEATTLE
    NO 40 40 CLUB THERE

    • larrymahnken - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:41 PM

      You know that Jay-Z doesn’t have to be roommates with Cano, right?

      • jfk69 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

        If he goes to Seattle for less than 200 million Jazzy’s new career is done. Seattle is not one player away from a deep playoff run to warrant that kind of cash for a second baseman. Remember the Yankee and Seattle hierarchy are buds. Previous deals can attest to that.

  4. anxovies - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    He has endorsements with Pepsi and I think Nike. Those will dry up in Seattle. I guess he could do Starbuck’s commercials but what are they going to show, Cano halfheartedly trotting to first base on ground balls?

    • jfk69 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

      Oh that will go over well in Seattle when they are losing. Perhaps the new Starbucks endorsement would get pulled. I can see the headlines now.
      NO PEP IN ROBBIE’S STEP AFTER HUGE STARBUCKS ENDORSEMENT

      • chadjones27 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        But will he put the pep in pepsi?

      • anxovies - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        He gets a bye in NY for not hustling because he came up with the Yankees and has played well and everyone has been waiting for the big Miggy-like year. If he signs a big contract with a losing team and doesn’t show more enthusiasm he will quickly become a pariah and a scapegoat. All of the press about his free agency has highlighted his problems with running out ground balls and getting to second base on bobbled balls. Even if he signs with the Yanks I think the fans are going to be less forgiving. I hope for his sake he understands that the honeymoon is over.

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      they could show him throwing out runners fielding deep in the hole.

      • sportsfan18 - Dec 4, 2013 at 6:23 PM

        What? It takes him about 18 seconds to jog all the way out to the hole.

        It isn’t in his contract to have to cover the hole.

  5. jfk69 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Hmmm
    Grunge rap. nawwwww
    Three or 4 mil a year more over life of contract vs 10 million more per year in marketing capital of world. I throw in free drinks and ten Robbie Cano nights at 40 40 plus your Vodka Brand
    Robbi…What you think?
    I already gave you that nice watch.
    Lets call Hal

    • cjn728 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:14 PM

      income tax in Wash is 0. Does anyone know what the income tax is in NY?

      • lardin - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        For Athletes, you pay income tax based on where the game is played. So lets say a player makes 162 million per year or 1 million per game and plays for the Yankees.

        He would pay taxes on 81 million dollars in New York. 10 million to MA 10 Million to Maryland etc… etc…

        Its the endorsement money that becomes the big issue when it comes to income tax, because that income is taxed where the athlete claims residency. Its why many athletes choose to establish residency in Florida

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM

        The biggest tax will be state of residence, where I’m not sure Cano resides (he recently became a US citizen in ’12). Players pay state taxes in all the states that have them when they travel there, so everyone pays some sort of state income tax.

        These two articles help:

        http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12682

        http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-jock-tax/

      • yahmule - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

        That was educational. Thanks, lardin.

      • fanofevilempire - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        too much!

      • dcarroll73 - Dec 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM

        The last I knew top rate in NY was 9% (I pay no where near that as a serf but still probably more that most people pay their state.) So if half of his income is taxed by NY and he lands $25-30 million a year, we’re looking at about 1.1-1.4 million (oh but I forgot the Yanks always have the advantage in finances, isn’t that the usual story?)
        I do agree that he could recoup that with one endorsement that he would not get playing for a losing Seattle team.

  6. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Yea but well see man . I still think he should go to Toronto . ( if they’re willing to give him a big contact )

    • quincy1959 - Dec 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

      While he probably would like his teammates in TO, and fill their need at 2nd, it ain’t gonna happen. AA does not like to sign anyone over 5 years. And I doubt even if Cano agreed to that, that they would pay over 20M a year at 2B. A 100M contract wouldn’t get it done. Love to have him though.

      Mariners might be one of the few teams willing to pay Cano. But ultimately NY will keep him. They don’t like being outbid. Bad for the reputation.

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

      we should send you to Toronto, with a one way ticket!
      adios

  7. psudu - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    anxovies, you know Nike is headquartered out there in Oregon…I doubt he would lose Nike, and that might even make them use him more…That being said he will clearly make more in NY

    • anxovies - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM

      Forgot about Nike being in Oregon. However, you are right about less money in the NW.

  8. billybawl - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    This is probably Jack Zduriencik’s last season to keep his job unless the M’s improve markedly and/or they make a big splash and increase attendance. Especially now that this playing out in public, there will be a great deal of pressure to outbid the Yankees and close the deal. Agree with everything being pointed out by the value to Cano of being a Yankee, but there is a price at which he would become a Mariner. I still think he stays in NY, but it’s not absurd that he’d go to Seattle.

    Kind of reminds me of when A-Rod signed the absurd deal with Texas. There were other destinations that made more sense, but they made an offer he couldn’t refuse.

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:03 PM

      thanks, because so far he hasn’t signed with the Yankees and what about the money they gave Ells, you don’t think he can leave for a BIG contract because he feels disrespected.
      Pujols left the Cardinals, I know that hasn’t worked out but he did get his money.

  9. bygd1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Cano the laziest of superstars let him go

  10. sdelmonte - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    He heard they have the best fans in sports there.

    I don’t have the heart to tell him they’re at the football stadiums.

    • beachnbaseball - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:32 PM

      The Mariners are 25th out of 30 in MLB attendance. They only lead KC, Houston, Cleveland, Miami and Tampa. So at least when he doesn’t hustle, not many of the best fans in sports will witness it.

    • 18thstreet - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 PM

      I know lots of people pretend MLS doesn’t exist, but the Sounders have great attendance, too.

  11. vanmorrissey - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    JayZ got to talk to someone else in order to create the interest and drive up the price. Yankees would be foolish, ala the ARod contract, to compete against themselves for Cano. Need another team out there to stir it up, that’s all.

  12. pastabelly - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    The Mariners have one thing that the Yankees don’t have – exceptional pitching. They also play in an inferior division. If they sign Cano and Napoli, they could be in business.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:32 PM

      2012 ERA/FIP
      Mariners – 4.32/3.89
      Yankees – 3.94/3.89

      ’13 could be different, but outside of King Felix and Iwakuma that rotation was awful for Seattle last year.

      • stex52 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        You know, I don’t have a real dog in this fight. But I’m not convinced that Seattle is that much farther away from making the playoffs than the NYY. Given the moves to date the Yankees have spent a lot of money, but I don’t see how they have moved the needle that much on expected performance from a lot of old players.

        I happen to like New York City a lot. But given a choice, and he will be rich either way, I would choose Seattle.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:35 PM

        Given the moves to date the Yankees have spent a lot of money, but I don’t see how they have moved the needle that much on expected performance from a lot of old players.

        Paraphrasing RAB, but Yankee catchers last year hit a 0.587 OPS(!) combined. McCann alone should be worth 3-4 wins over that easily. An entire year of Soriano is > Wells, and an OF of Gardner/Ellsbury/Soriano is far far better than Wells/Gardner/Ichiro.

        There are still moves to be made, and not everyone can be hurt like last year, but so far the team is better at the positions they have than last year (also Johnson is a far better utility IF than Nix/Nunez).

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:35 PM

        Also, SEA finished 20 games below .500 last year while the Yanks finished 8 games better than .500. I really don’t see them being similar.

      • 18thstreet - Dec 4, 2013 at 5:58 PM

        Chruch, you’re a pretty reasonable guy. But I wouldn’t get too excited about a full year of Soriano if I were you.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 4, 2013 at 6:59 PM

        Well, I think that Soriano’s WAVW and WAI!S are going to be pretty solid, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up in a quasi platoon situation where he starts against all the LHP but has limited exposure against RHP, especially if the Yankees infield situation settles enough that they don’t need Kelly Johnson at 2B/3B on a regular basis.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM

        Soriano last three years:

        OPS+/wOBA/wRC_+
        104/.326/100
        118/.350/116
        112/.340/112

        Not expecting him to do 40/40, but that’s a far better option than Wells and/or Ichiro. However, I’d love to dream on him doing a full season of 17 HR in 58 games (pro-rated to 47 over 162)…

      • Reflex - Dec 4, 2013 at 8:16 PM

        I just want to point out that since 2008, Vernon Wells has outperformed Alfonso Soriano. I’m not certain why anyone thinks a full season of Soriano is a good thing for the Yanks, its not. Yes he had a great two months after the deal, but prior to that he was trending for yet another sub-average level season and even with the surge he ended up only slightly above average (2.4 WAR). In 2013 he was exactly average (2.0 WAR) and the previous two seasons he was significantly below average.

        LF is a hole if either Wells or Soriano are there. There is no improvement at that position. McCann is an upgrade at Catcher, but swapping Granderson for Ellsbury is a lateral move (Granderson since 2008 has averaged 3.7WAR, Ellsbury since 2008 has averaged 3.4WAR). Going forward if he can stay healthy Ellsbury is probably more likely to maintain performance but its unlikely to be an upgrade.

        So far the Yanks look worse to me than last year overall. They are a year older. They re-signed Jeter. They are busy trying to get rid of their only hope of an above average level of production at third. They are playing hardball with the best 2B in the game. The OF looks no better than it did last season. The only upgrade is at catcher, but it won’t come even close to making up for losing Cano. And the rotation is half missing.

        Re-sign Cano. Try to get A-Rod back in unifom. Get Tanaka and Kuroda. See if someone would bite on a Pineda for SS prospect deal. Then maybe there will be some hope of improvement. As it stands now the Rays and Red Sox both look better to me, and the Orioles could as well.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM

        I must have missed the part where the Yankees non-tendered Gardner. Also Soriano outstrips Vernon Wells 14.1-4.6 by fWAR since 2008, no idea where you’re getting your numbers from. Over that time frame, he’s been a below-average hitter once and an average hitter once, otherwise above-average. At $4 million, the Yankees are probably getting either a league-average player or a dominant platoon player in RF/DH.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 4, 2013 at 9:26 PM

        Also, you must be drunk if you think Granderson-to-Ellsbury is just a lateral move. Last three years (which includes a lost season to injury for both players), Ellsbury out-fWAR’d Granderson 16.3-10.3, putting up nearly an identical wOBA without the benefit of the short porch in YSIII. Further, if you’re comparing to 2012 production, either player would have been an improvement over what they got in 2012 from Granderson and his replacements, so not sure how you can say with a straight face the OF looks like it’ll be more of the same.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 4, 2013 at 9:30 PM

        Sorry I can’t let this go, because it was just that stupid. Last year, the Yankees got a collective .251/.309/.387 line out of their OF. They’ll crush that just with Ellsbury/Gardner/Soriano, even moreso if they find a platoon partner for Soriano, and they’ll have an even stronger defense.

      • dcarroll73 - Dec 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM

        Kevin, I agree with all of your points except “the benefit of the short porch in YSIII”. I get really ticked when this gets thrown out there, especially when the other park in question is Fenway which is about the same as the Stadium in right (actually a few feet shorter at the infamous PPole) I’ll grant you that Fenway deepens toward right center compared to YS, but trying to be a pull hitter has not helped Grandy (it clearly has hurt him.)
        As a Yanks fan I like what I am seeing so far. I like Robbie and think the “hustle” stuff is overblown, but I would not want to go much beyond the Ellsbury contract to keep him.
        People seem to have already forgotten how close the Yanks came to the playoffs despite losing almost the whole first team. They seem to expect the same injuries because there are old guys on the team. I still say it was worse than expected, and yet they hung in there. We will see how they put together the remaining pieces.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 5, 2013 at 8:25 AM

        The data doesn’t back up the assertion that Fenway helps LH HR nearly as much as YSIII. LH HR Park Factors, last five years:

        YSIII – 114, 113, 113, 113, 113
        Fenway – 92, 92, 92, 93, 93

      • Reflex - Dec 5, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        I am guessing its a difference between fWAR and bWAR. According to Baseball Reference –

        2008 – 2013

        Soriano bWAR: 5.1
        Soriano average bWAR/Season: 0.8

        Wells bWAR: 6.9
        Wells average bWAR/Season: 1.2

        You are scraping bottom with either of them. But the idea that Soriano is an upgrade is based on the idea that two months at the end of last season outweighs the past five years of mostly sub-average performance. If the Yanks are playing either of them in LF next season, they are just giving away outs.

        Also, Granderson/Ellsbury past three years –

        Granderson bWAR: 9.6
        Granderson bWAR/Season: 3.2

        Ellsbury bWAR: 14.8
        Ellsbury bWAR/Season: 4.9

        Ahh, this looks more damning, doesn’t it? Until one realizes you chose your cutoff points very very specifically. You picked three years because four changes the equation considerably(Ellsbury had a negative bWAR, while Granderson had an all-star level year). Going to five years makes the imbalance even worse. Yes, if we play arbitrary cutoffs we can make all sorts of interesting things happen. The more seasons we add, the worse it looks for Ellsbury vs Granderson.

        Granderson had one bad season (injury last year), and several good ones with several more all-star caliber ones. Ellsbury has had two standout seasons in his entire career. Going forward I expect Ellsbury to outperform Granderson by virtue of the fact that he is two years younger. I do not expect him to outperform Granderson at the same ages, however, and career wise Ellsbury is not likely to put up as much value as Granderson given how much time he has lost to injury. And on that note, last season was the only season Granderson has not played at least 136 games, the injury concerns with Ellsbury are very real, he breaks easier and fragility is really not something the Yankees needed more of.

        At best, its a lateral move with the only gain being two years more youth.

  13. balfe13 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    You people acting like Seattle is some small city with no advertising opportunities are hilarious. You do realize Microsoft and Apple were started there, right? Griffey was a star there, Durant started to become a star there. Russell Wilson is a pretty big star there, and Felix does just fine.
    Yeah, the Mariners suck and Seattle is a city of hard working people who hate laziness, so Cano probably wouldn’t fit. But it’s not because Seattle is some backwoods place with no opportunities. Come to the west coast some time; you’ll be surprised to see that we are actually quite civilized out here.

    • lirianod - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:33 PM

      Forgot Arod and Ichiro…

      • rollinghighwayblues - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:50 PM

        Don’t forget Brian Bosworth.

      • sportsfan18 - Dec 4, 2013 at 6:28 PM

        too late, everyone already did!

    • nikedunks13 - Dec 4, 2013 at 8:42 PM

      Eh stoners are pretty lazy

      • louhudson23 - Dec 5, 2013 at 2:49 AM

        Actually, lazy stoners are lazy,hard working,energetic stoners are not….see how that works?…All around you are “successful” people who like the herbs…they just don’t advertise it….

  14. jdillydawg - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    This makes perfect sense if you think about it.

    For Jay Z that is. I mean, Seattle is Macklemore’s city. And Jay Z can’t have some white rapper stealing the show. After all, Macklemore even wrote a song about the Mariners and they play it at every ball game. Hell, if I were Jay Z, I’d be getting the M’s to pick up every player I had and then get my own music playing in Safeco Field.

    Or maybe Cano is really itching to play for a perennial sub-500 ball club and play the latest X-Box games at the Microsoft campus.

    Seriously?? Houston is going to put the Mariners right back in last place again next season. Good lord…

    • stex52 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:45 PM

      Houston isn’t bumping anybody out of last place in 2014. Maybe 2015. Probably 2016. But not 2014.

      • fanofevilempire - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

        chillydawg, larry mentioned Cano and HOV will not be roommates, so forget all that music rubbish you mentioned.

  15. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    I have a question for all of you guys . With the signing of left handed hitters Ellsbury and McCann, can they still sign Cano ? Is it even possible ??

    • Kevin S. - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      Why not? While each player shows some platoon splits, even their numbers vs. LHP are above their positional averages. Considering that they all provide defensive value and premium positions and that the Yankees have other players who still do quite well against LHP (Soriano, Jeter, A-Rod if he plays), I don’t see this being an issue.

  16. 461deep - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    For 200 M Robbie will go to Mariners. Toronto would be great as he kills that bandbox. Yankees Elsbury signing will be muted if they lose Cano and Granderson. Meeting in Seattle does raise the Mariners odds some but they are still long. Actually everyone says Seattle is a nice place to live and NY has a new Mayor who wants to take more $$$ from the bad rich people like a true Nanny stater..

  17. brigadand - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Cano knows that Safeco Field is where major league hitters go to die. He isn’t serious about this. Sort of like Jack Zuriencik asking GWYNETH PALTROW for a date and then waiting patiently for an answer while all of the rest of the women that he might have had a chance with hook up with someone else.

  18. drewzducks - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    Not happening. Does anyone really think that Jay Z’s first splash into MLB, with the biggest fish in the sea, is going to end up with him being banished to the Pacific Northwest ? Jay Z may despise Boras but he isn’t a fool. He’s trying to get a few teams into the mix but when all is said and done I fully expect him to remain in the Bronx.

  19. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    We won in 2008. Beat your rivals . A team that’s far beyond better then you guys !!!!! Lol !

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2013 at 7:37 PM

      The Rays aren’t the Yankees rivals, and then again neither are the Red Sox. As Bill Simmons put it many years ago, when an older brother beats the younger brother 8 out of 10 times, they aren’t rivals.

  20. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Oh and Tampa has a lower payroll than the mighty yanks too . And they’re still better

  21. nikedunks13 - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    You all should probably listen to the New York fans, they know what they’re talking about. These are the same fans who were 110% sure Joe Mauer would end up in NY, then after that didn’t work out they were 120% sure Felix Hernandez would sign with them. They also were positive Lebron would sign with the Knicks. So yeah I would listen to those geniuses.

  22. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Yea NY fans stink . Jets giants mets Yankees rangers islanders Knicks nets . They allllll stink ! Hahahaha loosers

    • historiophiliac - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:44 PM

      Red Sox fan?

  23. pisano - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Just go, real Yankee fans are tired of his lazy ass anyway. I want this crap with him to be over. Move on Yankees, he won’t make that much difference one way or the other.

    • nikedunks13 - Dec 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM

      Just like a New York fan to be hating on your best player.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 4, 2013 at 5:45 PM

        Now *that* is a Philly Phan special.

  24. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Phillies fan .

    • historiophiliac - Dec 4, 2013 at 5:20 PM

      Oh, you confused me with “looser.”

  25. phillysports1 - Dec 4, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    Hahahah I’m laughing …,., -_-

    • nbjays - Dec 4, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      Don’t be stupied…

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