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Yankees having internal discussions about Joaquin Benoit

Dec 10, 2013, 10:17 PM EDT

Bob Nightengale of USA Today has the scoop on the Yankees’ reliever search …

Benoit registered an exceptional 2.01 ERA, 1.03 WHIP and 73/22 K/BB ratio in 67 innings this past season with the Tigers, but he was awful in the postseason and he turns 37 years old in July, so the asking price shouldn’t be astronomical. The Yankees have the impossible offseason task of replacing Mariano Rivera.

  1. uyf1950 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    He definitely would make the back end of the Yankees bullpen better and between him and Robertson would make a very nice set up and closer combination. Probably going to take 2 years and about $7 or $8MM per +/-. Could be worth it thought with Robertson a FA after the 2014 season.

    • uyf1950 - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM

      Just food for thought the Yankees have about $10MM left before they hit the luxury tax threshold of $189MM, that’s assuming A-Rod gets suspended for the entire 2014 season.

      • blovy8 - Dec 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

        Without A-Rod, I have the Yankees payroll estimated around 166.5 and needing a 3B and a starting pitcher. They probably can get a fifth starter from what they have, and a useful player for Gardner if they have to, because it may be that there are other costs above salary that count toward the limit. The trick is whether they’ll have to put A-Rod back on the roster at some point. Probably another 10 million to spend only if you think he’s not out for the season. I

        C/McCann 17
        1B/Teixeira 22.5
        2B/Johnson 3
        SS/Jeter 12
        3B(Nunez?) ?
        LF/Gardner 4 (arbitration)
        CF/Ellsbury 22
        RF/Beltran 15
        DH/Soriano 5
        OF/Ichiro 6.5
        OF/Wells 2.4
        MI/Ryan 2.5
        BC/Cervelli 1(arbitration)
        SP/Sabathia 23
        SP/Kuroda 16
        SP/Nova 3(arbitration)
        4th Starter ?
        SP/Pineda(or whoever) 0.5
        CL/Robertson 6(arbitration)
        SU/Kelley 2(arbitration)
        R/Warren 0.5
        R/Huff 0.5
        R/Clainborne 0.5
        Loogy/Cabral 0.5
        Phelps/betterReliever ?

      • uyf1950 - Dec 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM

        @ blovy8, There are a few issues with your calculations below. I’ll just give you a couple though:
        First off MLB calculates a teams MLB luxury tax on AAV of it players and on their 40 man roster plus benefits and incentives NOT just the 25 man active roster.
        Second with that in mind your numbers are off for Wells, Ryan and Sabathia.
        Thrid to approximate the cost of the players on the 40 man roster but not on the active roster you should add about $2.5MM +/-
        Fourth you need to add about $12MM +/- to the number as well for what MLB charges ALL MLB teams for Benefits, etc…

        Take my word for it after doing all that and assuming A-Rod gets suspended for the entire 2014 season the Yankees as of today have about $10MM left before they reach the tax threshold, no more. IF A-Rod doesn’t get suspended for the entire season there is no way the Yankees can NOT exceed the tax threshold. In fact with still holes to fill it’s pretty near impossible for the Yankees not exceed the threshold unless they unload some salary and not just Ichiro’s.

        BTW, as a Yankees fan and since it’s not my money I have absolutely no problem with the Yankees exceeding the tax threshold and spending what they need to.

        Have a good day.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 11, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        correction: calculations “above”….

      • blovy8 - Dec 11, 2013 at 11:13 AM

        They received money from the previous clubs for Soriano and Wells, so that portion counts against their payroll – not the Yankees. Assuming minor bumps in the non-arbitration eligible guys and taking for granted broad arbitratino estimates, means it’s necessarily inexact. Sabathia’s deal’s was 8/182, if you add the 5 million buy out for 2017, how is 23 per year value way off? I’m just using Baseball Reference numbers. If you just add Beltran’s 15 mil, subtract a league minimum replacement you get about the same figures I do.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        @blovy8, I didn’t say it was way off just off.
        Wells counts ZERO against the Yankees luxury tax number
        Ryan counts at $2MM against the Yankees luxury tax number
        Sabathia counts at $24.4MM against the Yankees luxury tax number

        Here is the link to reference Ryan’s tax hit: http://riveraveblues.com/tag/brendan-ryan/
        Here is the link explaining Wells: http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/explaining_the_wells_deal_and_yanks_loss_of_martin/13239247
        Here is one for CC after he signed his extension the calculate the tax hit at $24.4MM.

        You will have to wade through some of the copy in the links but they are self explanatory.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

        For some reason the CC link didn’t show in my post just now so here it is. I’ll try again:

        http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/31/yankees-cc-sabathia-agree-to-contract-extension/

  2. nymets4ever - Dec 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    Sign Garza, then figure out the closer situation on the fly like the savvy organizations have been doing for years…

    • uyf1950 - Dec 11, 2013 at 7:12 AM

      Interesting that you should say that since the Tigers just recently traded a quality starter Doug Fister for what included some bullpen help and just recently signed a closer Joe Nathan.

      BTW, I’m not saying the Yankees shouldn’t sign a starter or don’t need to sign a starter. In fact just the opposite, they should.but not Garza, Personally I think he’s overrated and hasn’t been healthy in over 2 years. Besides there obviously is no rush since their has been virtually no action on the top 3 MLB free agent starters Garza, Santana or Jimenez.and the Tanaka posting situation is still up in the air. I alos don’t think signing bullpen and signing a starter are mutually exclusive.

  3. cackalackyank - Dec 11, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Seems like a possibility. I personally think the 189 million “goal” is DOA. Still quite a few issues to resolve. Rotation, bullpen, and 2B. Even if there are a few pieces around already, Nightengale’s tweet about 2 relievers is, in my mind at least, about 2 short of what NYY needs.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 11, 2013 at 8:00 AM

      It’s gotta be DOA, even with assuming Arod gets suspended for all of ’14 (which I don’t), the Yanks only have a few million left to play with and still need another SP, two RP, and a full time 3b or 2b.

      http://riveraveblues.com/2013/12/2014-payroll-breakdown-part-four-97562/

  4. 950003cups - Dec 11, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    If it’s on NBC SportsTalk, it’s not so “internal”.

  5. noslenisnelson - Dec 11, 2013 at 3:13 AM

    Reblogged this on Chatting with Nelson.

  6. tuucamaron - Dec 11, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    mo should give all those presents back and return until he’s 50 because he’s better then any of those guys out there

    • southofheaven81 - Dec 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM

      Even the rocking chair??? : (

  7. sleepyirv - Dec 11, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    I’m sure the Yankees have internal discussions on a lot of players. The better question is why are they leaking the information.

    • cackalackyank - Dec 11, 2013 at 8:38 AM

      True. It was known the NYY had been linked to Beltran and it was known they were interested in McCann. However, the Ellsbury signing and the quickness of the McCann acquisition came, to me at least, as relative surprises. So why is it out there they are talking to Benoit? Makes one wonder if it is for leverage on another situation.

  8. historiophiliac - Dec 11, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    I’ll be disappointed if he leaves the Tigers’ bp. He’s one of our more reliable pieces. I think asking him to close down a game every time might be a little much, but he’s been good for us in the bp generally. I’d like to see him stay.

  9. Jason @ IIATMS - Dec 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    For the record, I am currently having internal discussions about lunch AND Kate Upton. I’m good at multi-tasking that way.

    • historiophiliac - Dec 11, 2013 at 2:03 PM

      But have you made her an offer?

      • Jason @ IIATMS - Dec 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        Often. And she accepts every time. She’s good that way.

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