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A-Rod’s lawyer gives a shoutout to David Ortiz’s PED issues

Jan 15, 2014, 8:35 AM EDT

A-Rod’s lawyer, Joe Tacopina, went on ESPN radio yesterday and reminded people that his client is not the first one to be linked to PEDs:

Of course this is a reference to David Ortiz.

A lot of people are trying to make this comment out as uber-controversial or a “shots fired” moment or something, but that seems silly to me. It’s been nearly five years since Ortiz was reported by the New York Times to have tested positive for PEDs during the 2003 survey testing. He claimed surprise and innocence at the time and made noises about wanting to get down to the bottom of it all, but we never really did get down to the bottom of it.

I have no idea what caused David Ortiz to test positive in 2003, but (a) the union has a list of all of the people who tested positive on that survey testing and if he were wrongfully reported to be on it, they would have corrected it years ago; and (b) regardless, no excuses or explanations like the one Ortiz gave has ever been accepted at face value by the sporting press or most fans. So for anyone to claim now that accusing Ortiz of PED use is somehow controversial or out of bounds is ridiculous. It’s about wanting to slam A-Rod and Tacopina, not about actually being offended at such an allegedly provocative comment.

And, of course, there is a lot of truth to what Tacopina was getting at. While his client is and perhaps always will be a pariah, a lot of guys with PED use in their past are not, and it’s rarely if ever about drugs they took as opposed to whether they were well-liked before or whether they had the nerve to try to defend themselves in a strenuous way.

People like David Ortiz and Andy Pettitte. People hate A-Rod and Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. I totally understand why and don’t begrudge those differences of opinion at all. But let’s not pretend that Tacopina said something shocking yesterday.

  1. richwizl - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    Ya, try to divert the scrutiny to someone else, huh? Let the poster boy face up to his cheating ways.

    • bgrillz - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:55 AM

      His lawyer is a real piece of work. Typical failure fashion though, free falling? Grab anything you can on the way down to slow your fall. A-Rod found someone perfect for him though, someone who is just as delusional as he is…

    • fanofevilempire - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:08 AM

      So nobody told Papi only the middle stream in the cup, not the beginning or end.

    • fanofevilempire - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:13 AM

      Why don’t you fellas relax, Papi and A-Rod are very good friends, so stop it
      with the outrage already. We all know Papi failed a test and we know he is
      not public enemy # 1.

      The good thing is now baseball is cleaned up and A-Rod is out of the game.

    • poplap2014 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:05 PM

      The entire world is still waiting to hear if Big Poopi found out what PED he tested positive for. I mean really, 4 years later and not a peep from Big Poopi…. He’s another cheat.

      • masher1965 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:45 PM

        So, what does this have to do with ARod?? Nothing. Let me point out this, IF ARod is clean, why worry about someone else ?? You do not run away from anything, you testify under oath, you WANT everything under the threat of perjury because it is the only way to start to substantiate your side. All the running , whining and now pointing fingers does nothing to answer the simple question, was he clean ??? The answer is an obvious NO . The lawsuit is on PROCEDURES, NOT INNOCENCE. No one is saying Ortiz is clean , maybe he is smarter than ARod and knows how to hide the evidence trail better or maybe he doesn’t deal with fools that get caught and turn states evidence. Any way you cut it, ARod is still caught and dead in the water

      • allsport1980 - Jan 15, 2014 at 4:51 PM

        The funny thing is this: We as fans always say if you are clean than defend yourself yet when someone does we just simply say forget them they are dirty. AROD has admitted to using before and gave a pretty descriptive description of why, how long, and why he stopped. He didn’t need to do this, but he did it. Ortiz never admitted it, claimed he was shocked, vowed to figure out what happened and then hid behind the players union, without ever giving a response.

        AROD now is fighting the allegations (granted it isn’t working) and not just admitting it like he had before, but in 2009 the players union never came to his defense to say the very things they did to protect Ortiz and this is what AROD’s attorney is talking about. I can’t say I disagree with him at all and he is hoping this will work to get his case in front of a judge, but it likely won’t work. The players union however should be forced to answer why they protected one and not all of their players in 2009.

      • reddkl - Jan 16, 2014 at 10:15 AM

        Did Ortiz make a deposit of a little less than $50,000 to the drug dealer? Did Ortiz threaten the life of the drug dealer? Did Ortiz file law suits against the Yankees, their medical staff, MLB, MLBPA?

        He got the BIG suspension because of the corroborated testimony of Bosch, his refusal to negotiate, and his threats of a law suit which he has filed. Try that with your boss and see what happens.

  2. paperlions - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    The strategy of singling out one guy is a poor one though, because we know that many 1000s of guys have used PEDs over the last 5 or 6 decades and that use has been common for at least 50 years. If he is trying to make a PR point, it should be that 100s of guys were implicated in the Mitchell report and that was really restricted to only a couple of teams and deals. Over 100 guys failed tests they knew were coming in 2003. Most estimates of steroid use during the 90s are around 50% or so. There were SI cover stories on steroid use in the 1960s. There are guys from the 70s saying they (and their team mates took everything they could). If his goal is to lay the PR ground work for a culture of PED use and the fact that nearly all of those guys were and continue to be ignored or celebrated by MLB, all of the necessary data is there to do it.

    Of course, none of that really matters, because all of that stuff happened before the CBA included testing and penalties and before the current JDA existed…and none of it has anything to do with ARod’s guilt or the evidence against him. This is a shallow argument that is akin to defending a client charged with human trafficking by pointing out that we have many monuments throughout the country to guys that owned slaves and those guys continue to be celebrated. It’s irrelevant.

    • rbj1 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:15 AM

      It is a stupid comment to make.

      But you know what, on the current 53 man roster of the Seattle Seahawks roster, 7 have been suspended for PED use this year. So why is PED use in baseball reviled when it is basically ignored or excused in football, basketball and hockey? And why are some players hated for using PEDs while others are given a pass?
      I’d just like a little consistency.

      • cohnjusack - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:07 AM

        It’s a fun spectrum

        1. The Most Vile People on Earth: Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez
        2. Loathed: Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro
        3. Meh: Jason Giambi, David Justice
        4. Sure He Did It, But We Still Love Them: David Ortiz, Andy Pettitte
        5. He Used PEDs?: Benito Santiago, Matt Williams
        6. No Additional Hatred for PEDS Because He Was Already Hated: Kevin Brown

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:19 AM

        I think that was the point Tacopina was trying to make: ARod is history’s greatest monster for doing something, while other people have done the same thing and get a free pass.

        I would love to hear someone report the context of his statement though, to be sure.

      • fanofevilempire - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM

        I think it is has more to do with baseball records.

      • paperlions - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:58 AM

        I believe the differences in attitudes, many among the same individuals, is 100% driven by the different attitudes toward the sports by their respective media members.

        MLB writers LOVE to romanticize baseball and baseball players from the past, as if the best players and times occurred when they were children, and they act like they are defending that legacy, which is a myth. They love the misremembered league, players, and games of their youth more than they actually love the game itself or the incredible feats of today’s players, despite baseball being better than it has ever been.

        NFL writers just LOVE football, they loved football when they were kids and they LOVE football now. They love today’s players and the sport and see no need to run down more modern accomplishments to justify nostalgic mythology.

      • poplap2014 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

        You love Ortiz after he lied about using PEDs?

        hahaha!

        What a joke!!!

      • cohnjusack - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM

        You love Ortiz after he lied about using PEDs?

        hahaha!

        What a joke!!!

        That is quite a failure of understanding context.

        I’ll explain.

        1. Above posters talk about contradictory responses to steroid abuse
        2. I post where different players seem to fall on a fake spectrum in response.
        3. You say I love David Ortiz

        Are you capable of understanding that I am referring to the hypocrisy of judging steroid users and not stating my personal preference?

      • jrob23 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:10 PM

        “I think that was the point Tacopina was trying to make: ARod is history’s greatest monster for doing something, while other people have done the same thing and get a free pass.

        I would love to hear someone report the context of his statement though, to be sure.”

        well, Arod’s obscene contracts and his off the field behavior helped. As did his girlie slap of the glove to knock the ball out of the Boston’s 1B during the playoffs and his mirror kiss, and dating Madonna. I mean, the list is vast. It’s also that he twice has lied vehemently and still hasn’t ever truly come clean. He’s garbage. But to me, it’s because his numbers after use declined so bad that it’s quite obvious that most of his production was aided by PED whereas Big Papi and others were able to somewhat replicate their numbers when they got clean.

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM

        Football players get away with everything…ahem Ray Lewis… If a baseball player was a key figure in a murder trial he would not be hosting an ESPN show. My guess Aaron Hernandez suits up for the Bengals when he gets out in 10 years. Football is an animalistic sport based on aggression (why I love it). Baseball is a game of a coordination and percentages (why I love it). I think the country tends to respect baseball players more as individuals so they are held to a higher standard. Despite his douche-baggery is ARod any really more of an ass than TO? No I don’t think so. The tolerance level is held at a completely different standard.

      • masher1965 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM

        My personal opinion on why the difference in public opinion is that in the NFL, PED’s have always been IN the league. It seems to be expected, so the shrug of the shoulders and “so what’s new” aspect is prevalent. As for MLB, most fans respect the traditions of the game. Change is accepted slowly , look at the DH , it is STILL only in the American League and can start a very passionate discussion. PED’s changes the aspect, inflated numbers ( supposedly) and helped players break records that stood for decades and in Baseball, that is heresy .

      • flatsorter - Jan 16, 2014 at 5:17 AM

        PEDs have been in MLB as long as they have been in the NFL

  3. rdillon99 - Jan 15, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    I think the comment was poor form by ARod’s lawyer because it was an entirely unnecessary comment. Whether Ortiz did or did not use PED’s in 2003 has nothing to do with the predicament that his client currently finds himself. It was a gratuitous kick at another player who really has nothing to do with the current matter. The manner in which he made the comment is also objectionable in that he said he wasn’t going to name names, only then to go ahead and tell us who he is talking about. It is childish, and he is not doing his client’s public perception any favours by acting like this.

    • allsport1980 - Jan 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM

      Well AROD and Ortiz are best friends, so MLB should probably investigate to see if Ortiz is connected since he is a previous user as well. After all this is what they did in the Biogensis case. They launched a full investigation because of one player’s name.

      • bunkerhillbob - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:23 PM

        They are not even close to being best friends.

      • reddkl - Jan 16, 2014 at 10:18 AM

        Everybody connected to Biogenisis was investigated. The information was corroborated and 13 of the 14 accepted a negotiated suspension. ARod was NOT the only one investigated.

  4. dstroi - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    Hmmmm, sour grapes anyone?

  5. nolasoxfan2012 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:07 AM

    Is it possible for A-Rod to be more of a scumbag? This is his lawyer trying to muddy the waters, to keep people from thinking about the ridiculously detailed info in the arbitration report, to get people thinking about David Ortiz instead of his client. That Ortiz has been one of the few players to offer some support for A-Rod doesn’t seem to matter. Is there a level of scum-dom lower than where A-Rod sits right now? He’s already thrown his family under the bus, blaming his cousin for his first time getting caught. What else is there? Has he blamed his children yet?

    • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:32 AM

      I suspect that Papi was about as happy to hear himself mentioned by Tacopina as he would be with a bad report from his colonoscopy.

    • allsport1980 - Jan 15, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      This is why AROD’s attorney made his comments: AROD threw his family under the bus? He never named his cousin (he has a lot of cousins!), Andy Pettitte literally blamed his father…any controversy there? Ortiz hid behind the players union and never spoke about his use…AROD detailed his use by providing the yrs in which he used and why he stopped. So in essence when it comes to his mistakes AROD has been more upfront than anyone else w/o throwing anyone under the bus. Hate AROD all you want but at least get the facts straight, especially since the ridiculously detailed arbitrator notes weren’t detailed at all, he simply agreed with the very information MLB has put out in the public months prior to his suspension and hearing.

      • nolasoxfan2012 - Jan 16, 2014 at 1:27 AM

        You, sir, are delusional. Yuri Sucart, A-Rod’s cousin, literally filed a lawsuit for libel against A-Rod…because A-Rod blamed him for his steroid use. It doesn’t get much clearer than that. A-Rod’s idea of “upfront” was to lie in a nationally televised interview with Katie Couric, and then amend his lies after he was proven a liar. While admitting his lies in the Gammons interview, he told everyone to “judge him from this day forward”…and then went out started what experts are calling one of the “most potent illegal doping programs” documented to date. The report was, in fact, quite detailed, with the exact dosages of many drugs taken on a daily basis for months. It even had lots of details like text messages where A-Rod tells Bosch to call the drugs “food,” not “meds,” or warns him not to give anyone his full name and to take the service elevator because there are lots of “eyes” around. Could it get more detailed than that?

  6. dirtyharry1971 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    Not a fan of Ortiz and yes he did fail a drug test but I will say this much for him, you haven’t heard anything since. That doesn’t mean he’s clean it just means at least he if nothing else figured a way to keep it under the rug, something alex certainly hasn’t been able to do. Also what Ortiz did has nothing to do with what alex is in trouble for, leave it to a lawyer to come to that conclusion

    • bkbell3 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM

      Ortiz, what, 4 or 5 years ago he looked like he was old and done and this late in his career he has a huge resurgence and his bat looks quicker than ever? It’s been written that this kind of late career revival is a good sign of use. Me, I don’t care much just like MLB knew and didn’t care when Sosa and bonds and McGuire were pulling in record crowds and dollars for MLB.

      • The Dangerous Mabry - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        To be fair “it’s been written” that basically anything is a good sign of use for those interested in implicating players.

        Recovering from injuries well? Sign of use.
        Getting injured more often and not recovering well? Sign of use.

        Sustained level of play late into your career? Sign of use.
        Sudden drop in performance? Sign of use.

        I think the only reliable sign of use is probably failed drug tests. Which doesn’t mean it’s impossible to pass drug tests when clean, just that there’s not really anything else which is a particularly strong indicator of drug use. For every player you can find with a particular pattern that’s “strongly indicated” as a drug user, there’s generally another player you can find historically with a similar career path that’s not at all indicated as a drug user.

      • paperlions - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:37 PM

        Ortiz had a torn sheath around a tendon in his wrist. That injury will kill anyone’s offensive production and takes a while to heal completely, as most wrist injuries do. As soon as he was healthy again, he was fine.

      • paperlions - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM

        Exactly Mabry…that is what happens when you reach your conclusion first and then cast about for “evidence” to support you baseless conclusion.

      • masher1965 - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:00 PM

        Even if you can make such an assumption, you need proof. What nailed ARod was the Biogenesis guy turning state evidence. THAT opened up the investigation and his evidence bore out under investigation. What people need to understand is that just because someone turned and gave up information, investigators are still going to check out the information. By definition, the info is questionable , at best, is has to be substantiated in order for any case to go forward. While I doubt there is enough evidence for a criminal prosecution , IF this was a criminal case, there is enough to do exactly what MLB did and what the arbitrator ruled

  7. sandrafluke2012 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:24 AM

    Kind of like “liberals” with Obama (being Bush 4th term) Spying is OK! Corporatism is ok! Debt is ok! Drones are ok!

    • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:30 AM

      Kinda like Teabaggers – morons are OK! The more the merrier! Line up, sign up and re-enlist today, because we need more lobotomies for more trailer trash for the Simplistic Stereotypes Party!

      • sandrafluke2012 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:41 PM

        More spending is good and will help the economY!

      • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 6:56 PM

        Lettin unemployed workers starve is good and will help the rich!

    • cohnjusack - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:09 AM

      Most liberals I know are okay with none of those things and bitch about them relentlessly. But, living in a two party system, our choice was Obama or MORE spying/corporatism/drones.

    • barrywhererufrom - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM

      It is only ok if Obama does it..use the IRS to target political groups that oppose the POTUS..That is ok. Having a person to investigate the crime who is big donor to Obama that is ok..spying on millions of Americans that is ok too. It is ok to make appointment to the NLRB during when Congress is on recess that is ok Liberals are the biggest hypocrites.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:22 AM

        Ugh. Read a newspaper. Most of those ‘scandals’ have already been debunked, unless your name happens to be Issa.

      • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM

        Ah, another moron. As I wrote above, to Teabaggers, the more the merrier. The closest thing I can think of to the Tea Party when it comes to rolling around mindlessly in a swamp of sound bytes is a volvox.

      • barrywhererufrom - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:45 PM

        @sabathia..you think since the NY Times refuted the story it has been debunked. How about this jackass the testimony that was under oath ..“Gregory Hicks hearing the last words of Ambassador Stevens to the outside world was told, ‘We’re under attack.”‘And under oath when asked, if you — if the ambassador had seen a protest or anything else earlier, would he have reported it. Sorry this testimony was under oath not from a journalist that is trying to cover it up for Hillary and Obama.

      • reddkl - Jan 16, 2014 at 10:27 AM

        You need to do a little research buddy. Try entering “Nixon and the IRS” and see the results. Try entering “Bush and Patriot Act” and see the results. You need a lot more information on your comments.

    • masher1965 - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM

      I see a bunch of mental idiots in need of medication and there tinfoil hats adjusted. Take the political trash talk to the IQ”s in the single digits room, where all of you are not only welcome , but fit right in

      • sandrafluke2012 - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:04 PM

        Oh the irony! “There”

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:36 PM

        their

      • barrywhererufrom - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:48 PM

        I am sure we will get o the bottom of the IRS scandal that targeted conservatve groups. I only think this way because a huge donor to Obama’s campaign who happens to be an attorney in the Civil Right’s Division will ge it done without bias. Ok let me put my tinfoil hat back on..

      • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 6:58 PM

        If you think Poor Dim Barry’s conspiracy mania is crawling out of his ears, try pulling his pants down.

  8. deathmonkey41 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    I’m not sure if it’s proper etiquette for his lawyer to call a player out like that, but I was saying the other day that Selig’s whole anti-steroid campaign rings hallow. Sure, it’s easy to go after guys like Braun and A-Rod because they’re villians, but will he go after people like Big Papi, who from some unknown reason, seem to avoid scrutiny even though common sense tells you they are somehow cheating the testing system. Although they will never admit it, even Boston fans know deep inside that this guy has been cheating since the early 2000′s. After those confidential test results were leaked, his numbers plunged because he got scared and got off the stuff, but after a period of struggling and being benched, all of a sudden, he “found his swing again”. Selig knows he’s cheating and if baseball went after him like they went after A-Rod, they would be able to prove it also. They have unlimited resources to track down where he gets his “Tainted Dominican Milkshakes” from, but they have no desire to do it. Selig and his cause are both frauds.

    • reddkl - Jan 16, 2014 at 10:29 AM

      Big Papi wasn’t connected to Biogenisis. The others were.

  9. tfbuckfutter - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:51 AM

    “David Ortiz tested positive for something banned during anonymous testing in 2003. Now this is OBVIOUSLY exactly the same as my client using ever PED under the sun in the entire ensuing decade since then and probably beforehand as well. Ipso facto.”

  10. DelawarePhilliesFan - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:51 AM

    Tapioca (Tuscano…Tabasco…whatever his name is) can say whatever he wants. It’s not going to make a difference legally or to MLB, and it will buy about .01% of favorability rating for A-Rod. It will enhance his (Tablature’s) image as a tough as nails fighter. Quite honestly, I see the comment as more serving himself then A-Rod.

    Today, I intend to steal a soda from the staff room fridge. I am not the only one who has done that, you know

    • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:32 AM

      I like Tapioca. It’s the lumpy texture and the way each little pearl has a dark spot in it that looks like an eye and….stop staring at me like that, dammit!

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

        Each name I came up with made me hungry….and gave me an idea for a very funky desert

      • deathmonkey41 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:40 PM

        It’s okay- more a fan of rice pudding myself though…

    • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

      Horsemeat and Velveeta™ a la mode?

  11. ctony1216 - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:53 AM

    To me, this sounds like a threat — a shot across the bow. “If I wanted to, I could start naming names. … but I don’t want to.”

    Sadly, A-Rod is becoming a pariah in the sport that made him rich and famous. He continues to pay Tacopina to represent him, and Tacopina, an even bigger self-serving a-hole than A-Rod is, continues to feed A-Rod’s delusions and give bad advice.

    It’ll be interesting to see which course of action A-Rod takes — try to make a comeback and have 3 more productive years in the sport, or completely burn bridges, walking away from the game forever, and taking down some big names with him.

    I think A-Rod would be happier if he just admitted he screwed up and tried to get on with his life, but he seems to have some sort of psychological problems that prevents him from doing that. A-Rod is a walking gold mine for a guy like Tacopina.

  12. caputop - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:54 AM

    This is where all the ARod/MLBPA stuff started. The Union didn’t say that Ortiz wasn’t on the survey testing, but they went after the people that leaked his name off the last more than they went after the people that leaked ARod.

  13. jeffbbf - Jan 15, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    Shocking? no. petty? yes. but then again, so are most lawyers and ex-lawyers. completely transparent attempt to deflect from the issue. ARod is going down and he is going to burn everything and everyone he can on the way out. And this blog will continue to report on it as if it is the right thing to do.

  14. barrywhererufrom - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Great story! Papi gets a pass. AROD deserves his punishment. If Selig thinks that after slaying his White Whale ARod that this issue is done is mistaken. Guys like Oritz got away with it. At his age and his production and with a positive test it doesn’t take a Mickey Spiillane to figure out that he may still be using PED’S. Finally until bseaball and all sports has the ability to test for HGH the PED monster will never truly go away..

    • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM

      Referencing Melville. Not bad for a complete idiot who doesn’t seem to get that Papi has been passing his drug tests regularly – but hey, dimwitted neofascists think it’s no fun to spoil a lynching.

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM

        But has he passed as many as Arod? Your argument clearly shows you have NOT been paying attention….or stink at arguing.

      • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM

        In Poor Dim Barry’s case, both. There’s also a pronounced problem with ideological constipation.

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:42 PM

        I was replying to your comment gator. Your argument holds no water as Arod passed a dozen tests himself.

      • barrywhererufrom - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 PM

        Oh Old Putz you never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. If tests are random how do you know Big Papi has been tested? Are you the piss boy at MLB? Well again I will repeat myself for the dimwitted liberal douche that you are. Papi did fail a test. It is common knowledge. The idea A-Rod’s attorney pointed was silly. My point was that Papi had gotten a pass and if you were paying attention he became the posterchild of what is good about baseball during the postseason. To a small degree it almost made me feel when the NFL had Ray Lewis as its main marketing tool last year. You know kind of like Obama talking liike his president is not corrupt with scandals like the IRS and NSA and Benghazi. Just beause the NY Times did Hillary’s bidding doesn’t make it a false story. I know the liberall meida wants these stories to go away. Obama appointed a big donor of his at the Civil Right’s Division to investigate the IRS scandal. The truth should really come out after that..

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:46 PM

        Struggling with logic Gator?

      • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 7:05 PM

        Here’s the logic. I expect Poor Dim Barry to be moronic but I don’t know you well enough yet to be convinced if in your case it’s also congenital.

        Due process requires that guilt be proven by evidence.

        Are you still with me?

        Now, since Papi hasn’t failed any drug tests except for one taken at a time when it wasn’t even against the rules to take most stuff – and we don’t know what he did take. Ergo, due process doesn’t grant lynch mob mentality types the leeway merely to assume that he “beat” them. In your “guilty until proven innocent” snakepit of a universe, where the tests that are supposed to prove guilt or innocence apparently prove nothing and therefore might as well not even be administered, insinuating guilt without proof passes for what you call “logic.”

        Still with me? Or should we go back to the beginning again.

  15. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    I believe the point was that ARod was being unfairly targeted and villainized. That has been ARod’s argument in this whole thing. Selig wants a trophy to create the appearance that he is tough on drug use, even though we all know he is not tough on drug use.

    Case in point: Selig’s BFF in this whole thing is a drug dealer who said on national TV essentially that he will be happy to deal drugs to players again at the first opportunity. Instead of working with the end-users (and MLB constituents) to try to investigate drugs in MLB, he chose to work with the drug dealer to make a show of busting a few end users. This does nothing to eliminate drugs from the game, but everything to give Bud a few sensational headlines on the back page of the NY Post, which is what Bud is all about.

    So I think it is fair to question why ARod is being made out as a demon for the exact same behavior as other players who are hailed and championed by those within the game. I do think that we all would have gotten the point without referencing Ortiz specifically though.

  16. slaugin - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Wow, Papi was one of the last players that supported ARod during this time, he even invited him to his golf Charity in DR a couple months ago. He really is burning every bridge possible

    • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

      You know that classic Warren Zevon song, “Splendid Isolation”? Maybe they ought to play it when A-Road walks onto the field in April 2015 – unless, that is, his next dumb comment blames the mob for what happened to him and somebody breaks both of his legs between now and then:

      I want to live alone in the desert
      I want to be like Georgia O’Keefe
      I want to live on the Upper East Side
      And never go down in the street
      Splendid Isolation
      I don’t need no one
      Splendid Isolation
      Michael Jackson in Disneyland
      Don’t have to share it with nobody else
      Lock the gates, Goofy, take my hand
      And lead me through the World of Self
      Splendid Isolation
      I don’t need no one
      Splendid Isolation
      Don’t want to wake up with no one beside me
      Don’t want to take up with nobody new
      Don’t want nobody coming by without calling first
      Don’t want nothing to do with you
      I’m putting tinfoil up on the windows
      Lying down in the dark to dream
      I don’t want to see their faces
      I don’t want to hear them scream
      Splendid Isolation
      I don’t need no one
      Splendid Isolation

  17. chip56 - Jan 15, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    I don’t think that Tacopina’s comments are being taken as controversial so much as they are being taken as further alienating Alex from the rest of the players.

    Consider that in his statements last weekend Alex insinuated that his fight isn’t only about him, it’s about protecting all players from having guaranteed contracts stripped and lifetime bans for PED use. To take that attitude, and then less than a week later try to deflect by calling out another prominent player (one who as recently as last month was defending him in the press while the two were at a charity event) seem to be different sides of the spectrum.

    Ken Davidoff of the NYPost has a great column up and in it he talks about a couple of different points of this, one being the legal argument, but also about how no one on Alex’s legal team have baseball ties, even his agent is on the outside and how if Alex wants to continue to be part of the fraternity of ball players it may make sense to have that agent sitting there to give him a different perspective.

  18. eagles512 - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM

    It is weird how people ignore Ortiz with PEDS

    • pastabelly - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:01 PM

      The same people who ignore Pujolz’, I’m sure.

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 3:43 PM

        IF I had to guess I’d say you’re right about Pujols but is there any real proof outside of a silly radio talk show host trying to goose his own ratings during his 1st week on air? Papi and Arod certainly failed tests. I mean based on this standard I’d have to throw josh hamilton in too.

    • kedaco - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:54 PM

      Agreed, it is amazing to have the type of “revival” at his age. I don’t by the type of injury he had restricted him BS. Papi has always thought of himself first and everything else second. I believe he is still juicing and feels it is in his best interest to take the risk.

  19. aceshigh11 - Jan 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    This was Tacopina’s “Yeah, but…BENGHAZI!!!” meltdown moment.

    • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 7:12 PM

      Awww, let Poor Dim Barry have his Benghazi. Take it away and we’d have to take up a collection to buy him a Barbie House.

  20. savocabol1 - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    It is very simple. The Boston Red Sox are baseballs darlings that can do no harm. Their storied success of overcoming the million years between championships gave baseball a HUGE boost. Any connection to PEDs and one of their storied players gets swept under the rug as quick as possible.

    • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM

      But has he passed as many as Arod? Your argument clearly shows you have NOT been paying attention….or stink at arguing.

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM

        sorry this double posted from above not relevant to your comment.

      • Old Gator - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM

        That’s okay. Your first post of the same comment was irrelevant to the comment to which it was addressed, too.

  21. 6ball - Jan 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    .

    If we’re just picking random players, may I have Jose Offerman?

    .

    • deathmonkey41 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM

      I wouldn’t- unless you want to get chased with a bat.

      • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 2:26 PM

        I think Delmon Young just signed a minor league deal somewhere. He lacks Offerman’s speed and versatility but gets great bounce on his throws.

  22. muir6 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    Every time A rod or his team open their mouth they embarrass they Yankees more, go away A arod spend your life bitter Pete Rose style nobody believe s or cares about you. You are a bad parent teammate and human being

  23. bh192012 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Sorry but the difference is that one of those guys got busted again, and not just a little. Substitute David Ortiz for A-Rod on the biogenisis list and response (buy records, say stupid stuff, lash out etc.) and I 100% guarantee you David Ortiz would be loathed and A-Rod would be seen in a better light than he is now. It would probably be much worse actually since the Sox just won it all. There is no comparison here.

    Melky wasn’t disliked, he is now. Braun wasn’t disliked, he is now especially for his actions. It’s not unreasonable to disklike a player even more if they defend themselves in an unscrupulous or especially deceitful way. If a player said “I didn’t do it” and then is proven wrong isn’t nearly as bad as making fake websites, throwing around accusations or destroying evidence. I have no idea why Craig thinks we should only judge PED users on what they were busted for.

    Also, while we’re all probably upset if a PED user gets a misc roster spot they don’t deserve over a non PED user, it makes sense that we’re especially upset when “superstar” players who get big money are busted for PED use since we invest in those players emotionally. It makes sense because those players make big differences in results of games. If a PED user puts up .1 WAR he likely made no difference in the standings, A-Rod’s PED use on the other hand may have made a large difference.

    • edb7777 - Jan 15, 2014 at 1:52 PM

      I don’t think its that simple. Even before Biogenesis, Arod had his Jeter-hating word vomit, centaur paintings, blue lipstick, hitting on chicks in the stands during the playoffs, opting out of his contract costing his team an extra $27M (while necessarily increasing his own leverage..And now is. The list of reasons to dislike Arod is much longer than his name appearing on a couple of lists. Take away the Mitchell report and Papi is basically a big round latino derek jeter in terms of his image with the fans. I mean I don’t like him much but a lot of people do. This is not so simple as transpose one for the other and we’re in the same place. But I do agree its all the extra crap that bleeds all he potential sympathy out of the situation.

  24. jimcolyer - Jan 15, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    Ban A-Rod for life.

  25. disgracedfury - Jan 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    I can’t believe we live in a world where people are okay to have a sports organization go outside the law by breaking the law and give money to Bank robbers and people who give drugs to children.

    The MLB are not only paying for lawyers but giving Anthony Bosch recommendation for Florida investigation on him for his role giving drugs to children.Why not go after people like Bosch who is a drug kingpin and who is giving drugs to kids?

    What other sports organization does that?I’m not a A-Rod supporter but that was a kangaroo court and he should have under the JDA got 50 games.

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