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Orioles have had “recent, active dialogue” with Ervin Santana, Bronson Arroyo, and Ubaldo Jimenez

Jan 24, 2014, 6:05 PM EDT

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In need of starting pitching, Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Orioles have had “recent, active dialogue” with free agent pitchers Ervin Santana, Bronson Arroyo, and Ubaldo Jimenez. Of the three, Santana and Jimenez would both require the Orioles to give up their #17 pick in the first round of the 2014 draft; Arroyo would not.

The pitching market had drawn to a halt as teams were waiting to see where they and others stood in the Masahiro Tanaka sweepstakes. Now that the right-hander has signed a seven-year, $155 million deal, the remaining pitchers on the market are expected to find homes soon as we are about three weeks away from the start of spring training, when pitchers and catchers report in for their respective clubs.

The Orioles have had a tough off-season signing free agents, botching two deals: one with free agent reliever Grant Balfour, and another more recently with outfielder Tyler Colvin. Let’s hope their pursuit of a starter goes a little more smoothly.

  1. plmathfoto - Jan 24, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    Maybe they should give all three a physical first, then worry about who to sign?

    • quintjs - Jan 24, 2014 at 6:48 PM

      Soon the headlines are going to be ‘Orioles interested in not signing…”

    • fanofevilempire - Jan 24, 2014 at 8:25 PM

      why would they take a physical for the O’s, why even take call from them.

    • mmeyer3387 - Jan 25, 2014 at 12:01 AM

      I hear you loud and clear my friend, being an “O’s” fan has been very hard over the past decades. But I have and always will love the Birds. However, this off season they have made it very difficult, which I is the norm with the great Peter Angelos as an owner.

  2. everon63 - Jan 24, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    All 3, I’m sure are praying real hard someone else shows interest, so they can avoid the dreaded “physical” and this pathetic owner!!!

  3. rbj1 - Jan 24, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    Santana has a hangnail, Arroyo an eyelash in his eye and Jimenez has the sniffles, so all offers are withdrawn.

  4. johnnycantread - Jan 24, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    Ever since the Birds got burned by the Glenn Davis and Albert Belle fiascos, they have been ridiculously gun shy about signing free agents… If a player has had a hangnail within the past 10 years, the O’s owner starts sweating.

  5. fomeols - Jan 24, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    The Orioles certainly did NOT “botch” these two cases. They haven’t dealt well with the negative publicity, almost certainly because of privacy issues, but backing out of a deal for health reasons isn’t a bad thing to do.
    Do you think they did it on purpose?

    • alexo0 - Jan 24, 2014 at 8:04 PM


      • fanofevilempire - Jan 24, 2014 at 8:33 PM

        Yes for me too.

      • Reflex - Jan 24, 2014 at 9:05 PM

        Me as well. I think there is a division between ownership and the front office and ownership is nixing deals the front office agreed to, then ordering them to find an excuse.

  6. rockthered1286 - Jan 24, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    I hear all season ticket holders must pass physicals too. All fifteen of them.

    • fanofevilempire - Jan 24, 2014 at 8:29 PM


  7. cackalackyank - Jan 24, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    I did not know that “YOU WANT US TO PAY YOU HOW MUCH?” counted as active dialogue.

    • doctornature - Jan 24, 2014 at 11:38 PM

      LOL, and pray tell, how is “Active dialogue” different from just plain old ‘dialogue’? Or “inactive dialogue” ?

      • cackalackyank - Jan 25, 2014 at 12:04 AM

        Inactive dialogue is either another term for telepathy or talking to yourself. I’m not sure which.

      • yahmule - Jan 25, 2014 at 12:38 AM

        The Orioles have discontinued negotiating in Sumerian, saying it was confusing to players and agents.

  8. theeperspective - Jan 25, 2014 at 3:37 AM

    This offseason isn’t even close to being over. Every passing day, these potential contracts are decreasing in value. The Orioles will never go out and start the bidding like a Cano contract or a Tanaka contract. The Yankees can quite literally afford do that. Even if someone fails to live up to the hype, they’d still have expendable cash. Angelos is loaded, but he isn’t willing to pay players money like Belle and Tejada who got us nothing but a homerun derby trophy and a fake birth certificate. He literally flushed millions down the toilet. I don’t care who you are… That hurts. I do think we will sign one of these guys eventually. I am also liking our bullpen even without J.J. I am definitely frustrated, but I’m not going to say this offseason was a fail when we still have another quarter left in the ball game. Lighten up. Don’t get frustrated until the buzzer sounds and we are still sitting where we are now.

    Last note: Imagine if the Orioles shelled out 100+ million to a free agent and it turned into a Pavano situation. We’d fall apart and be right back where we started in 1998. Stop comparing our numbers to the Yankees. They are not financially smart, but they don’t care. I’d rather have Jones, Wieters, Davis, Markakis, Hardy, Machado, Tillman, and young arms like Bundy and Gausmann hopefully ready to burst onto the scene rather than be a team paying off large failed contracts with a Marlin-esque roster. Unfortunately for us O’s fans we have the sox and yanks in our division. But imagine if we got one of these guys and either Gausmann or Bundy came on strong. All the sudden the band-wagon gets crowded. Don’t think the O’s don’t see the window closing.

    • ibalto11 - Jan 25, 2014 at 7:40 AM

      Perspective- interesting post. It’s a tale of two perspectives I suppose… The first part I disagree with you almost completely. You got one thing right. The Angelo’s (err orioles) will never go after a top flight free agent like cano. For all the reasons you describe + the AngelO’s are hard wired to their cash. No seriously, Peter has a cable wire connected to his wallet. There is a bear trap ready to snap shut if any critters (Scott Borris/Grant Balfor) try’s to pick it.
      Let’s face it the Angelo’s are so God aweful at managing this team they have always done the WRONG thing. (Almost always – the only thing right is duquette and showalter ). Examples are a plenty (john miller contract, Mussina, not signing Pudge Rodriguez in his prime.). You talk about Albert Bell as a mistake. For one, it was a mistake. Not because he wasn’t a productive player , he was. But because he was a bad person. He wasn’t welcomed to Baltimore. It was like the creepy uncle that comes over to stay and won’t leave. It was a bad signing because Angelo’s is an idiot to sign him in the first place. But Pete won (as the good lawyer does) he had insurance.
      Tejada was one of the greatest free agents in the history of the game as far as player productivity you dolt. He was a steroid user when many were and was the best player on our team for years. Once the Angelo’s got what they wanted they didn’t want to be dirtied by his presence so they shipped him off to Houston where he continued to perform until the last little bits a baseball were squeezed out. I also disagree with the bullpen comments you made. It is good on paper but when the starting pitching doesn’t perform the bullpen takes the hit from overwork. Johnson being gone isn’t the worst thing in the world either, but if you knew you were not going to sign him (the closer position IS overvalued at 10 mil) why don’t you trade the guy when his value is highest. Like after closing 57 games. Then you will get A MOTHLERLOAD of prospects. Folks we play in prospects in this town now, and that’s ok.

      So all in all first half of your post was ok. I guess. The second part sounds good. I would like all those players on one team at the same time too. Which they are! NOW! This is the time to go after someone impact full. The issue is where is the starting pitching leadership. It’s still missing. In fact with Johnson gone it’s worse. Johnson- who by all accounts is a wonderful person. You reference Pavano, he who was the Yankees Glen Davis. Yanks can afford to miss but they don’t usually. That time they did, but most of the time they brought in studs to carry them through. Paul Oneil comes to mind. (Now they are attached to free agency like its crack, but that’s another story) you say the Orioles are in that window now which is SO true. So it’s time to act on someone smart that’s left. Which is a stretch with the scraps. Only one pitcher (Bronson) is worth the cash as you don’t give up the pick. I don’t see anyone else worth the money and the picks. So I would think Trade. Multiple prospects at lower levels to rebuilding teams for someone to lead.

      Problem is the Angelo’s is a law firm. They are not quick on anything and ruminate and want to chess match everything and everyone. In addition the Angelo’s throw nickeles around like manhole covers. My rant is now over. Go O’s.

  9. dirtyharry1971 - Jan 25, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    Can’t wait to see Ervin go to Toronto, well at least im hoping I just don’t know if the jays are gonna open their wallets at all this winter but if they do this is the guy they NEED

  10. theeperspective - Jan 26, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    ibalto… Thanks for the reply, I enjoyed reading it. A couple things. First, I do realize that Tejada was great for us. But, we had no one around him and suffered losing seasons every year he was here; which goes back to reasons we can’t sign big contracts. They suck the cash away from depth everywhere else. Second, yeah you could say the Yankees usually don’t miss, but they have won 1 World Series since they won a few in the late 90’s early 2000’s. With their salary I’d say that’s missing. Yeah they have made the playoffs but that should never be the goal. I think we still may sign a closer. Johnson was great, but closers can be found almost anywhere. Look at the sox last year. Unless your name is Riviera closers are overpaid and over-rated. As far as leadership, I don’t think Johnson’s leadership was or is the difference. We don’t really have the farm system to trade away right now. It’s very weak in terms of prospects besides guys like Bundy, Gaus, and Rodriguez but their going nowhere. Finally, I also think that your right about Arroyo, looking at Santana’s and Jiminez’s stats, they are dice rolls. A couple really good years sprinkled around not so good to bad years. But, no matter what all three would be in the rotation and push some decent pitchers to the pen adding depth there. We’ll see what happens. I hope Deleon Young isn’t the best bat we get this offseason either. I also think Lough has more upside than McClouth too. He gets on base more which has been a huge problem for the O’s. If we can get base runners our pitching may not need to be top 10.

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