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David Ortiz would like a long term deal or it’s “time to move on”

Jan 27, 2014, 8:39 AM EDT

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David Ortiz is under contract through this season. He would like to be under contract longer. Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston, quoting Ortiz from a local Boston TV broadcast:

“As long as they keep offering me a job and I keep doing what I’m supposed to do and the relationship keeps on building up, I’m going to be there. Hopefully, I won’t have to go and wear another uniform.”

Burton then asked what would happen if the team didn’t offer him another long-term deal.

“Time to move on,” he said.

It feels like we go through this a lot. I guess we do, relatively speaking. Most big stars don’t work on one and two-year deals as often as David Ortiz has. But when you’re a DH-type who, at a critical moment a couple of years ago, looked like he had just fallen off a cliff, you can understand why the Sox haven’t given him another three or four-year deal like the one they gave him before the 2007.

My guess: if he starts up 2014 like he left off in 2013 the Sox will extend him for a year or two. If not, they’ll wait until the season is over. Which, no matter how great Ortiz has been for the Sox, is probably smart given that he’s an aging DH.

  1. belichickrulz - Jan 27, 2014 at 8:49 AM

    I love Big Papi – he is the face of the Red Sox World Series years. But he’s 38 (we think – he is from the Dominican, after all) and only two years removed from an Achilles tendon injury. The Red Sox would be crazy to sign an aging DH for more than two years at a time, and it would not even be under consideration for anyone else. Honestly if one year with an option was good enough for Tim Wakefield then it should be good enough for Ortiz as well at this point in his career.

    • adowding3 - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:02 AM

      As a Sox fan i agree with nearly everything you just said, except for the last part. The aging “most clutch player in Red Sox history” should get more contract negotiation wiggle room than an aging middle of the road knuckle baller (and that is to take nothing from wake). But come on, thats apples to oranges right there.

    • Detroit Michael - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:05 AM

      While I agree with most of your post, the Tim Wakefield perpetual team option contract was about the most club-friendly contract around. You can’t use it as a benchmark of what a veteran player typically is willing to offer his club.

    • surefooted1 - Jan 27, 2014 at 11:07 AM

      Ortiz is pretty much the Redsox’s Jeter in that you can’t give him the cold shoulder. If he wants to keep playing, you let him.

      • ilovegspot - Jan 27, 2014 at 2:57 PM

        He better hope he doesn’t test positve with the new drug tests.

      • surefooted1 - Jan 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM

        Definitely true…

    • apkyletexas - Jan 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM

      Dear David,

      Just like nearly every one of our other sports heroes, the city of Boston would like to thank you for your service to the GREATEST CITY OF ALL TIME FOREVER TO INFINITY, and ask you to please leave through the back door, as we wouldn’t want any of our friends knowing that we associate with smelly jocks like you.

      Yours,
      Red Sox Nation

      [before you reply - sarcasm alert - I'm not really a Roid Sox fan, I just play one on TV; and I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night]

  2. cohnjusack - Jan 27, 2014 at 8:59 AM

    Ortiz is 38. Like the very first rule of any moderately intelligent club is “never give a long term deal to a player in his late 30s”.

    • bfunk1978 - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:08 AM

      He’s only like 3-4 years away from Social Security. No way I extend him “long term”

    • historiophiliac - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:20 AM

      Can we officially call him Old Papi now?

    • 18thstreet - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM

      Also, never get involved in a land war in Asia.

      • Old Gator - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:47 AM

        Or an Olympics in Russia. Sheesh, there’s so much security and so many threats flying around over there that those athletes must feel like Vietnam-era USO entertainers. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Olympic Committee votes to hold the next one on the south side of Chicago.

      • raysfan1 - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:50 PM

        Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line. (Unless of course you are immune to iocaine.)

    • realitypolice - Jan 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM

      Players like Big Papi- old guys who want long term deals- are why God invented the California/LosAngeles/Anahiem/Long Beach/Irvine Angels. Why do you think they are called the Angels?

  3. sabatimus - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    My definition of “long term” here is 2 years.

    • Old Gator - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM

      That would also be a mayfly’s definition of “long term.” Quite a coincidence.

  4. proudlycanadian - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:18 AM

    Trade him and get something for him before he walks.

    • themanytoolsofignorance - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:27 AM

      He has no trade protection in his current contract, so they might be well advised to go for this option.

    • rpb1234 - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

      No way. The Sox are in contention again. They will let the contract expire and offer arb. If he takes it, they get him on a 1 yr deal. If he doesn’t, he FA value gets depressed. He is too old for teams to offer 3-4 yrs and lose a draft pick. He either signs back with the sox for 2 yrs or goes elsewhere and the sox get a pick. The Sox really have the control here

      • proudlycanadian - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM

        That appears to be reasonable, as long as they think he is worth more than $14 million.

      • pastabelly - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:00 AM

        Unless I’m mistaken, Ortiz isn’t eligible for arbitration and the Red Sox would get nothing if he walks. Did they recently change the rules on this?

      • Francisco (FC) - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:41 AM

        The term you’re looking for is Qualifying Offer, not offer arbitration.

    • themanytoolsofignorance - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:54 AM

      His slash line last season was BA .309, OBP .395, SLG.564, OPS .959, OPS+ 160 and 4.4 WAR. That’s not unusual for Oritz. That’s about what he averages, barring injury. He has an interesting BABIP with an average north of .300. He sure gets lucky with those balls in play but this might be a function of how hard he hits baseballs. I mean, look at that slugging. He just drives them, so he tends to make his own luck.

      Now what GM wouldn’t want to take a chance on that kind of production? That line is going to be pretty tempting for GMs who need some pop. He could easily get a 3 year deal on another team. If the Mariners are serious about building a winner, they might want to look at David Ortiz because he can make baseballs rattle around the fences in the cavern that is Safeco. The Red Sox would do well to shop him there and get some prospects back for him.

      • Old Gator - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:50 AM

        If he had put up those numbers for Scrooge McLoria and the Feesh, he would have been gone at the first round of weenter meetings.

      • sportsfan18 - Jan 28, 2014 at 8:44 AM

        Those numbers are NOT what he usually averages.

        He’s played 17 seasons and his career averages are ALL less. For them to be less, he had to be below them as well as below his averages too sometimes as he’s been above them like this past season.

        His BA of .309 you say is average. His CAREER BA is .287
        His OBP of .395 is average? His CAREER OBP is .381
        His SLG of .564. His CAREER SLG is .549
        His OPS of .959. His CAREER OPS is .930
        His OPS+ of 160. His CAREER OPS+ is 139
        His WAR of 4.4 last yr. He’s had THREE seasons out of 17 above that. I wouldn’t call his 4th highest WAR out of 17 average.

        So again, you say his slash line last season was about what he averages?

        ALL players, Papi and anyone any of us care to mention get caught by Father Time. It’s life. Father Time is undefeated.

        It’s only a matter of when and when a pro sports player reaches Papi’s age… well it’s stupid of the team to give any of them a long term contract at that age.

      • themanytoolsofignorance - Jan 28, 2014 at 4:41 PM

        In was discounting his injury seasons and the time spent being messed with by the Twins (~ 2 seasons, I think). You know, reasonable stuff. Have a nice day.

    • Detroit Michael - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:03 AM

      Ortiz has at least 10 years of MLB service, at least 5 of which are with his current club. He cannot be traded without his consent.

      • themanytoolsofignorance - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

        Arg. Fail on my part there. I was looking at his contract on Cots and missed that. Thanks.

  5. phillysports1 - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Jason Giambi is 43 years old . Tribe resign him for one more year I believe. If that old guy can still play DH, Big Papi will produce until he’s 44-45 !

    • cackalackyank - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:43 AM

      Last year in 71 games the Giambino hit .183 with 9 HR. That was his age 42 season. If he has been resigned it was for a Minor League deal. Which just the whole ‘We’ll give Thome a statue, not a contract’ thing all the more weird.

    • sabatimus - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:47 AM

      Giambi has basically been a part-timer for the last 9 or 10 years…and put up numbers that aren’t remotely close to what Ortiz has done during that period.

    • cohnjusack - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:53 AM

      I find it fitting that a poster with the name “phillysports” is advocating signing a player until his mid-40s. Ruben Amaro must be rubbing off on you.

  6. cackalackyank - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    Uh-Oh. Don’t look now but it sounds like Papi thinks he’s found the fountain of youth. Nudge nudge, wink wink.

  7. pastabelly - Jan 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    I can’t see the Sox going beyond another one year extension through 2015. His value for 2015 and after that isn’t as much to other teams and his market is limited to the AL. The Red Sox will make a smart business decision here just as they did with Varitek and others who have reached this point. This stuff is nothing out of the ordinary for Ortiz, who has done this before. It is a bit off putting after hearing someone like Jon Lester say that they will have to rip the Red Sox uniform off his back. While it’s two entirely different situations, the public whining from Ortiz just gets old.

    • themanytoolsofignorance - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:17 AM

      Its hard to compare those 2 guys. In my mind Ortiz and Lester are 2 completely different cases. Age, playing position, history of other players in that position, nearly everything.

      Lester didn’t even have a career year last season. He had a bounce back to an ERA+ of better than average, but he wasn’t phenomenally good. Ortiz had a his career normal year. It was phenomenally good. Lester has shown himself to be aging badly over his career, while Ortiz has been a model of reliability. Why should they act the same, want the same, or be treated the same?

      So David Ortiz is 38. He has shown no sign that being 38 has limited his ability to drive the ball. He WILL decline at some point. However why should he take a discount to stay in Boston when he has as yet to show any sign of it? The nature of business says he has an outstanding product and the market will set the price for it.

      Jon Lester is 30. He’s been declining every season since 2010 with a modest uptick last season. He has fewer options that Ortiz.

  8. coachjac30 - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Ortiz is a big baby. He is getting 15 mill this year and if he produces anywhere near what he did last season the Sox will give him 18 mill next season. He doesn’t deserve an extension. If he wanted more years, he should have negotiated that the last time.

    • Old Gator - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:50 AM

      Who do you think he is, Walter Alston?

  9. geejon - Jan 27, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    The moronic contract the Mariners gave Cano now has other players wanting to be paid big-time dollars when they’re 40 y/o too.

    • sabatimus - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:33 PM

      That’s what gets me. The Yanks were purportedly going to stay under the luxury tax threshold, so they signed Ellsbury and let Cano walk…only to throw Fort Knox at Tanaka. If they were gonna do that, why didn’t they keep Cano too? A change in philosophy?

      Cano is a MUCH better signing than Ellsbury anyway.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 27, 2014 at 7:21 PM

        10 years to a 31 year old, 10 years to a 31 year old, 10 years to a 31 year old

        and $75M more dollars!

    • 18thstreet - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM

      Yes, it’s the Mariners’ fault that players want to be paid as much money as possible. Before the Cano contract, players of all ages were willing to work for free.

      Stupid Mariners.

  10. jaylaw01 - Jan 27, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    Except that Jeter never tested positive for PEDs, right Big Papi…..allegedly

    • tved12 - Jan 27, 2014 at 1:42 PM

      It’s actually not alleged, he did test positive. The report wasn’t supposed to be released to the public because they weren’t certain how accurate the tests were.

      That said, I’ve never understood why he gets a free pass when others are villains.

  11. uyf1950 - Jan 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    “David Ortiz would like a long term deal or it’s “time to move on” The usual threat from Ortiz in a contract year. Ortiz isn’t going anywhere, his “stick” when it comes to this is getting old. That’s just my opinion.

  12. keltictim - Jan 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    I take slight issue with the Papi PED talk. I could be wrong, but here is my thoughts. The only failed test David had was the original “anonymous” test that was used to set a baseline for MLB drug use. We never found out what David failed for. One can make the assumption that since he never declared what he failed fir, he very well could have failed for a benign substance that while banned by MLB is available at GNC. So yes he failed for a banned substance, it might not have been an illegal PED, only a banned one. That’s my homerish, take on the fail. Do we know a list of what produced a fail in that first round of tests? I don’t think I’ve seen one, but that could def change my outlook. I’ve met David once and he was an incredibly gracious man so I really want to give him the benefit of doubt.

    As far as David wanting a long term deal, I believe another 2-3 years is what he is talking about. In my opinion, David has already received his “thank you” contract. I would allow him to play out his current deal, watch his numbers this year, and then make an offer based on that. He is still producing at a pretty high level, and if he continues these numbers I have no problem giving him a one year with a one year club option, but that’s it. He’s 38 years old, and while I want to retain him if he’s producing, I don’t want to give him another thank you contract. He is the face of this era, but he’s no Ted Williams.

    • bigharold - Jan 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM

      “We never found out what David failed for. …”

      Because he never admitted it once confronted with it. Although he said he find out and explain himself in his 2009 press conference at Yankee Stadium. Of course, that was the last time anyone heard anything about that from Ortiz. Interestingly enough. like A-Rod, Ortiz came up positive on the 2003 blind “survey” and also like A-Rod he has not failed a PED screening since. But, most want to give Ortiz “.. the benefit of doubt.” and most want to burn A-Rod at the stake. Go figure.

      Ortiz should be thankful that he had the opportunity he was given by the RS. To his credit he’s made the most of it. But, he should also realize he’s in a results orientated business that has a long history of guys his age fading, .. in some cases fading badly in a very short time frame. If he wants another 2 or 3 year deal he should shut up and go out and put of the numbers that force the RS hand. Otherwise, he should display the requisite humility and take what is offered by the RS, assuming they offer him anything after 2014, or walk away.

      • uyf1950 - Jan 27, 2014 at 2:21 PM

        Very, very well put.

      • doctornature - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:26 PM

        ” Interestingly enough. like A-Rod, Ortiz came up positive on the 2003 blind “survey” and also like A-Rod he has not failed a PED screening since. But, most want to give Ortiz “.. the benefit of doubt.” and most want to burn A-Rod at the stake. Go figure”

        There is a HUGE difference here:

        Arod HIMSELF admitted to 3 years of PED use. Said he would never do it again. Said to judge him going forward

        So we judged him going forward. He failed this test HUNDREDS of times in the ensuing years, according to eyewitness testimony, text messages, phone records, and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of documents.

        THAT is why he is being burned at the stake publicly. His cheating and lying is surpassed only by his hypocrisy and his ego and his narcissism.

        Ortiz has not admitted using at all. He is not a lying, cheating, narcissistic, egomaniac like Arod, who in addition to being all of the aforementioned, is one of the biggest post-season chokers of all time, bringing further abuse and scorn from his few remaining fans, most of whom disappeared after he admitted to using PEDs.

        Personally, I have doubts about many players, including Ortiz, as to PED use. We may never know the truth about most of them, but none of them have the A-Fraud gene in them that makes them a MUST-HATE persona. I wouldn’t doubt for a minute that the Fruad has surpassed Tiger Woods as the most hated athlete in the world. Like Woods, he brought it upon himself.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 27, 2014 at 7:23 PM

        THAT is why he is being burned at the stake publicly. His cheating and lying is surpassed only by his hypocrisy and his ego and his narcissism.

        Except the steroid vitriol didn’t start just this previous year, he’s been pilloried for it since his “confession” in ’09.

  13. uyf1950 - Jan 27, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    “David Ortiz would like a long term deal…” I wonder what a 38 year old who still is under contract for the 2014 considers a long term deal.

  14. keltictim - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:07 PM

    I call it alleged because it came from an unofficial source, meaning we have no evidence the documents were not doctored. I fully admit my homerish Take on it. Perhaps back in 09 David found out what he failed for and said ” I failed for that!?!?” And since he was never pressed further to reveal the substance, it was just forgotten about. Unlikely? Very. But possible. As for why arod is burned at the stake and David isn’t, that’s pretty easy to figure out. Attitude, and personality. Arod rubs people the wrong way big time. Like George Bush ticks off MSNBC. Is it fair? Not really but that’s just the way it is.

  15. yordo - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    GIMME DAT CASH BEFORE MY INEVITABLE SUSPENSION!

    • 18thstreet - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:54 PM

      If he’s suspended, he doesn’t get paid.

      Try and keep up. Also, be less racist.

      • yordo - Jan 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM

        He’d still get the rest of his new deal, you silly goose.

  16. keltictim - Jan 27, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    18 who brought race into the discussion? Did I miss a comment or did it get deleted?

    • 18thstreet - Jan 28, 2014 at 6:56 PM

      Allow me to translate “GIMME DAT CASH” for you.

      It translates to, “The person who typed this sentence is a huge, huge, racist, but thinks he’s being clever.

      That’s what you missed.

  17. jt2663 - Jan 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    7 years and 160m will be his contract with Yankees after 2014

  18. keltictim - Jan 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Roid sox nation? That’s a new one. With the exception if the 09 Papi test which other players are you accusing? I know nomar and his sports illustrated cover kinda fit but we sent him packing. Curt schillings mouth has long been accused of PEDs but there is no reliable mouth test. You may dislike the sox but one fact is pretty undeniable, when it comes to PEDs the sox are one of the cleanest in the game, which is saying something now a days.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 27, 2014 at 7:26 PM

      Yes you’re being a homer. Trot Nixon, Manny, Nomar are three that are routinely accused of PEDs.

    • pastabelly - Jan 27, 2014 at 10:38 PM

      Manny Alexander was a Red Sox who was suspended for steroids.

  19. johnnycantread - Jan 27, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    Could someone tell me how Senator Mitchell’s connection with the BoSox was not a conflict of interest.

  20. insider7 - Jan 27, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    Here we go with the annual David Ortiz diva routine. Hit the road, you jerk.

  21. keltictim - Jan 27, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    @church it wasn’t a question, I see the baseball world thru homerish glasses, but Trot Nixon and PEDs are two words that have never been used together try again. I did forget about manny, which is sad because he was by far our highest profile cheater. Correct me if I’m wrong though, but I don’t think manny failed a test during his time in Boston, did he? I fully believe he used while with us but I don’t think he got caught.

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