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Michael Young says the Rangers were “flat out” better than the Cardinals in the 2011 World Series

Jan 31, 2014, 6:55 PM EDT

Michael Young was accompanied by manager Ron Washington and GM Jon Daniels at a press conference this evening to announce his retirement. Young went over a wide range of subjects, talking about how he is looking forward to spending more time with his family, his career in retrospect, as well as his participation in the 2011 World Series.

Young still has a bit to say about that. Via Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star Telegram:

It was a very close World Series, ultimately decided in seven games. To say that the Rangers were “flat out” better than the Cardinals is a bit of an overstatement — and one not backed up by the stats — but we’ll let it slide since Young is probably a bit emotional today.

  1. therooneyskilledwebster - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    …but you flat out lost.

    • spudchukar - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:44 PM

      I know I have echoed this opinion before, but here it comes again. It doesn’t matter who is better, it matters who plays better. That is why they keep score.

      • gothapotamus90210 - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

        I heard he got a sweet participation trophy and the coach bought the team sodas from the concession stand after the game. The kid with the heath-nut mom made him drink wheatgrass, though.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:57 PM

        They finished a very close second, but like Tom Hanks says in that movie: “there’s no silver medal in baseball”.

    • 78mu - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:57 PM

      Is it too mean to remind Young the Dodgers flat out lost to the Cardinals in the NLCS last year even though the team from Los Angeles was better – except for one player that went hitless in the series in a number of clutch at-bats?

      Wouldn’t a better team hold onto a ninth inning lead in the clinching game? Or know how to play a catchable ball hit off the RF wall? Or put in a defensive replacement for the right fielder? Or score a run or two off Jake Westbrook?

      • cohnjusack - Jan 31, 2014 at 10:49 PM

        Umm…the Dodgers team was better?

        The Cardinals won 5 more game, scored 134 more runs and only gave up 14 more. In what universe were they better?

  2. tfbuckfutter - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    Don’t most retired players wait, like….a couple years before they start alienating people with dumb comments?

    • paperlions - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:48 PM

      When you are covered in teflon, you don’t have to worry about it.

      Complain about moving from SS to 3B for Andrus, a move that will make your team better because your SS defense is very poor; the media refer to you as a team leader.

      Complain about moving off of 3B to make room for Beltre, a far superior player in every way, who makes the team better; publicly demand a trade. The media calls you a team leader and icon.

      You know when he did NOT complain? When they moved him from 2B to SS when they traded for Soriano…well, until today. When does he decide to complain about that? 10 years later while people refer to your spectacularly average career as if you should get HOF consideration.

      Hell, why not make bitter inaccurate statements about the 2011 World Series?

      • tfbuckfutter - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:55 PM

        “Michael Young just shot a baby!”
        “Oh my God….what on earth did that baby do to deserve it?!”

      • paperlions - Feb 1, 2014 at 10:03 AM

        He probably complained and held a grudge against his kids when they had better access to their mother’s breast than he did.

      • tfbuckfutter - Feb 1, 2014 at 11:01 AM

        “Michael, the baby wants that breast”
        “No! This one is MINE! He can have the other one!”

  3. spetznaz777 - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    all that juiced up Nelson Cruz had to do was catch the ball. why are Rangers and their fans troll the 2011 loss so hard? the cardinals turn around and lose embarrassingly to the Giants then lose to the Red Sox but i don’t see any complaints ever from the Cardinals. change the script texas.

    • moseskkim - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:23 PM

      made me go back and look at the replays. wow what a brutal misplay. how can you pay this guy big money when he juiced and is horrible in the field. wow. brutal. now i agree with young. they deserved to win.

      • byjiminy - Feb 1, 2014 at 9:27 AM

        wait, why does horrible fielding make you deserve to win

    • jkcalhoun - Jan 31, 2014 at 9:38 PM

      Then you’ve never heard Cardinals or their fans talk about 1985. Or 1987. Ancient history, I know.

      • cohnjusack - Jan 31, 2014 at 11:04 PM

        Well, 1985 deserves some whine. That was one of the worst calls in baseball history and should never be lived down. Though it is important to remember that represented the *1st* out of the 9th, not the last. There are no excuses for subsequenly falling apart.

        And other than Whitey in his autobiography, I haven’t really heard any Cardinals fans bitch about 87…

      • 18thstreet - Feb 1, 2014 at 9:04 AM

        It’s totally Don Deninger’s fault that the Cardinals not only lost game six, but game seven. That one was a nail-biter. No, wait. It was 142-1. That was some awful call.

      • jkcalhoun - Feb 2, 2014 at 5:22 PM

        Cardinals fans have no reason to think that umpiring cost them that game. White was called out when trying to steal in the 5th on another missed call — as McCarver said during the broadcast, “if (Smith) missed him on the knee or the foot, his foot was in there before he tagged him”. The replay shows that Smith missed him. Sheridan singled two pitches later.

        So if we’re playing the “what if” game: in a universe with perfect umpiring, the score going to the bottom of the 9th was 1-1. Maybe the Cardinals win that game and maybe they don’t.

      • jkcalhoun - Feb 2, 2014 at 5:24 PM

        Oops, make that the 4th, not the 5th.

      • stlouis1baseball - Feb 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

        There is nothing to complain about with regards to 1987.
        1985? You bet your Kansas City Royals loving ass!

  4. digbysellers - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    Erroneous…Erroneous on both counts

  5. sabatimus - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    Somebody forgot to tell the scoreboard operator.

  6. paperlions - Jan 31, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    …and the Rangers would have won game 6 if Young didn’t play some horrible defense to let the Cardinals back in the game.

    Bottom of the 4th, Rangers up 3-2, Berkman hits a soft grounder to Young, who boots it. Berkman reaches, and scores on a groundout to tie it. That run scored without the benefit of a hit.

    Bottom of the 6th, Rangers up 4-3, Holliday reaches on an error by Young to put runners on 1st and 2nd with one out. A couple walks follow to score a run and tie the game, the ball never leaves the IF. The run doesn’t score without the error.

    Those were two really easy plays that Young botched….some would say he choked.

    The next time the Ranger’s get the lead, they immediately replace Young with Moreland.

    • happytwinsfan - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:03 PM

      so your point is that if he had played better his rangers would have won the series. does that mean that he shouldn’t say what he honestly believes, right or wrong?

      • paperlions - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:06 PM

        My point is that if Young was better, they might have won. When your own ability can be linked to losing (and Young ability to play defense anywhere on the infield has been poor for years), you should probably be quiet…or be more self aware….or both.

      • happytwinsfan - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:21 PM

        that’s reasonable and i partly agree. but if he is to speak up, wouldn’t you rather he be honest then serve up some insincere bromide?

      • paperlions - Feb 1, 2014 at 10:09 AM

        Yeah, I suppose he should be honest, it is better than lying, but not better than being aware of how baseball works. The best choice is probably to not say anything or to say that it was great to be on championship caliber teams, he just wishes they could have got the job done.

        The best team in baseball wins the WS less that 1/2 the time because being the best only wins you the right to play in a few short series, and there is too much variation in baseball for the best team to win a short playoff series more than 60-65% of the time. I think the best team won last year, but it had been a while before that since the best team won….maybe the 2008 Phillies.

    • quintjs - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:17 PM

      but if Young was at 2nd base as god intented…

  7. luz56 - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    Statistics are for losers…. I’ve been on great teams that choked too but kept my mouth shut…I feel your pain but you lost

    • 18thstreet - Feb 1, 2014 at 9:06 AM

      Is “wins” a statistic for losers? How about “runs.”

      Which statistics are the ones that winners use? Because us losers are trying to figure out it out.

  8. steelerfanforlife - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    So is Michael Young the new Jack Morris?

  9. nymets4ever - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Michael Young to this day probably still tosses and turns with nightmares of David Freese…haha

  10. Panda Claus - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    As an Orioles’ fan I thought our team was better in ’69, ’71 and ’79. Before those Series many experts agreed. None of that made a difference when it was over. As much as it hurts to say, in the end the better teams were the ones that took home the trophy.

    It may take a few more years for Young to come to that same conclusion, but for his own sanity it should happen sooner than later.

    • 18thstreet - Feb 1, 2014 at 9:07 AM

      I don’t think that’s quite right. The inferior team wins sometimes. I think it’s pretty cool when it happens.

  11. gibbyfan - Jan 31, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    The Cardinals won the series –they have the trophy..it’s in the books………it’s like Spud says above that’s all that matters—who cares what someone’s opinion is?

  12. km9000 - Jan 31, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    Young and Werth totally need to meet up at a bar and play a few rounds of “If only…”

  13. nsstlfan - Jan 31, 2014 at 9:48 PM

    Sour grapes anyone…..

  14. cohnjusack - Jan 31, 2014 at 11:11 PM

    The Cardinals were flat out better than the 2005 Astros. Same division, 11 more wins.
    But so what? That’s the entire point of a playoff series. Over those 6 games, the Astros were better and that’s the only thing that matters. When it mattered most, they outplayed the Cardinals and rightfully won the pennant.

    What Young is saying is either an embarrassing attempt to justify a World Series loss or attempting to diminish the accomplishment of the team that beat you. You’d think the guy who committed 2 errors that lead to runs scoring in what ultimately wound up being a 1 run game 6 wouldn’t blab off about it.

  15. rjmarrella - Feb 1, 2014 at 1:29 AM

    If you had a “flat out better team” and still lost the World Series, isn’t that worse than losing to a superior team?

  16. 78mu - Feb 1, 2014 at 1:40 AM

    There are thousands of kids in impoverished countries and disaster areas that agree with Young.

    They have the t-shirts showing the Rangers were WS champs in 2010 in addition to 2011.

    • paperlions - Feb 1, 2014 at 10:14 AM

      haha….when I was working in Paraguay, I can’t tell you how many Utah Jazz and Portland Trailblazers NBA Champions shirts I saw….there were a LOT of them. I wish it had occurred to me at the time to buy or trade for one.

  17. louhudson23 - Feb 1, 2014 at 4:26 AM

    If “ifs and buts were candies and nuts,we’d all have a wonderful Christmas…”….”If my Aunt Louise had balls,she’d be my Uncle Joe”….”If we had scored more runs than the other team in 4 games instead of only three,,we’d have won the WS.”……See what I did there?

  18. Panda Claus - Feb 1, 2014 at 7:09 AM

    If Young had simply said that he thought his team had more “talent”, instead of being “better”, the entire tone of this conversation changes. After thinking about it some more I think Young just chose the wrong words here.

  19. unclearnie - Feb 1, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    Young was mis-quoted. He said better roids. Just ask the Ranger’s right fielder.

  20. packhawk04 - Feb 1, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    They were so much better, they lost. Thats how much better they were.

    • chinahand11 - Mar 27, 2014 at 2:42 PM

      World Series version of that horror movie that is so bad it is actually good.

  21. doctornature - Feb 2, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    .255 .280 .404 .684 Youn’g’s 2 WS stts

    Butcher in the field

    Add to that he batted 4th in the 2011 WS. If Cruz or Napoli, both on a tear, had hit 4th, the Rangers probably win that series, so he not only spoke out of turn, he had a huge part in causing them to lose. Crybaby here, and when he was forced to shift positions. But he gave the press a lot of time and they made him teacher’s pet. He get’s no pass for this bs.

  22. dfresh314 - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Well if you wanna see the trophy it’s flat out in St louis big boy ;)

  23. stevequinn - Mar 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    A bushel basket nailed to a pole and planted in RF would’ve flat-out caught more fly balls than Nelson Cruz. He flat-out missed the Freese triple that flat-out tied the game. That was a flat-out horrible attempt to catch a fly ball. I’m just flat-out sayin!

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