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MLB, MLBPA discussing changes to drug program

Feb 4, 2014, 12:42 PM EDT

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Fox’s Jon Paul Morosi reports that officials with Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association are talking about changes to the drug program. Under the current plan the sides can and do meet each year to discuss alterations and such alterations are often made. For example, last year baseline testosterone screening and HGH blood testing was included.

This year, Morosi reports, the changes being discussed are small, but could include the severity of penalties, which has been a hot topic since the Biogenesis story broke. Many players and, one presumes, the league are in favor of stiffer penalties for first-time offenses.

Of course, given that MLB just got A-Rod for 162-games on what, under the Joint Drug Agreement, counted as a first offense, I suppose how necessary such changes are is an open question.

  1. theaxmancometh - Feb 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    They should allow LSD. I want to see more no hitters.

    • schuch10 - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:08 PM

      I couldn’t imagine what a 95 MPH FB followed up with an 80 MPH curveball would look like to a hitter on LSD.

      • tfbuckfutter - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:55 PM

        It would look like Smokey the Bear singing Age of Aquarius.

    • cohnjusack - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:17 PM

      …the fun kind no hitter, where the pitcher allows 9 baserunners.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SDN/SDN197006121.shtml

    • jwbiii - Feb 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM

      They only test for LSD in the minors. A player on the 40 man roster can have as many long, strange trips as he wants.

  2. historiophiliac - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    I’m looking for some language on what qualifies as “obstruction” of a PED investigation and specifying penalties for that.

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:09 PM

      This. A million times this. It should have been in the first draft, and now is the time to get it put in. The JDA is one giant loophole, and now is the time to envision all the possible scenarios that you never thought possible.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM

        The MLBPA may have agreed that there should be a punishment for obstructing an investigation, but there’s no way they are going to leave that up to the discretion of the Commissioner ever again.

    • raym64 - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:17 PM

      +1 Great idea, historiophiliac!

      But then I’d like to see a penalty for MLB and the commissioners office for using, questionable and maybe illegal means to obtain evidence like they did with Biogenesis.

  3. bluesoxbaseball - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    Teams should forfeit the salaries of guys suspended for sports drugs. Players openly complained about the Jhonny Peralta contract as an “incentive” to use sports drugs. If teams forfeited the salaries of suspended players, you would see lower contracts for previously suspended players and less of a “reward” for offenders signing new contracts. Plus, there would be no incentive for teams to target players with big contracts.

    • NatsLady - Feb 4, 2014 at 1:56 PM

      If not the entire salary, then some portion at least. Teams and coaches are knowingly signing these guys (and managers are getting to the Hall of Fame).

    • madhatternalice - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:06 PM

      Disagree. Teams singing players like Peralta are taking a risk, similar to teams singing foreign talent (Dice-K, anyone?). If Peralta plays well and clean, next season, then there’s no problem with the contract:St. Louis took a gamble and it paid off. If Peralta plays horribly because he’s now clean, then St. Louis is in trouble. If Peralta gets penalized again, St. Louis is also in trouble.

      There’s absolutely no reason a team should be held responsible for the actions of an individual. If you do cocaine in your office, and you are caught, your boss doesn’t get penalized.

      There’s always going to be a team who overpays for a player. We can’t control that, and we shouldn’t.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM

        Unless a team is encouraging that use, in which case, teams should be investigated and punished by MLB too — bahahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahaha I know.

  4. plmathfoto - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM

    I don’t like that the Yankees got off a big hook on ARoid’s salary for this year because of his suspension. I think the club should incur the penalty too, it could possibly make them look harder at who they’re signing.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:28 PM

      Yeah, the Yankees lost one of their best hitters for the entire year. This is definitely a good thing…
      /sarcasm

    • madhatternalice - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM

      Unless there’s evidence that the Yankees encouraged or supplied him with drugs, then…why should they be penalized? That’s just silly.

  5. slaugin - Feb 4, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Mad hatter- have you read the emails between A Rod and Randy Levine? If not check them out, definitely some evidence Steroids were condoned

    • squintspalledorous757 - Feb 4, 2014 at 3:41 PM

      If by “condone” you mean some tasteless PED jokes referencing Robinson Cano then you’re absolutely correct, otherwise you’re about as clue-free as they come lol.

      Then again, Robbie is “besties” with Big Sloppy, A-Fraud, The Melkman and Nelson Cruz from what I hear so it’s kind of tough to knock Levine for floating the question =P

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

      Arod signed his new deal prior to the ’08 season. He could have signed the deal, walked up to the press conference, and stuck a novelty sized needle in his ass, and there’s nothing the Yanks could have done about it.

  6. canadiansportsfan77 - Feb 4, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    If your busted for PEDs, first suspension should be 162 game with half pay suspension. Second problem is 162 unpaid suspension, third banishment.

    Any PED bust also results in a forfeit of all accomplishments including WS rings from prior to suspension.

    Team of the PED player still has contract on the books…cough…cough…Yankees, but that salary is given to a charity of Bud Selig’s choosing. Good PR for the MLB, especially with this PED image, they can at least put a positive spin on it

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 4, 2014 at 6:29 PM

      Good PR for the MLB, especially with this PED image, they can at least put a positive spin on it

      If MLB wants good PR, they can start punishing people for DUIs and other drug arrests, which harm the population 1,000s of times over compared to steroids. Give up WS rings is hilarious though. Thanks for the laugh

      • canadiansportsfan77 - Feb 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM

        Why not make the player have to give up all his acolades prior. I doubt Melky regrets his PEDs every time he looks at his ring. 10 yrs from now, A-Rod won’t care about using his PED’s as hes bragging about his WS rings from his career.

        If the players are serious getting rid of PED’s, they should be pushing that all acolades are recalled if they are caught for PED’s. Players only care about two things, championships and money, take away both and maybe you see players actually stopping PED use

    • nbjays - Feb 5, 2014 at 8:03 AM

      A charity of Bud Selig’s choosing? That would be the other owners, wouldn’t it?

  7. mikhelb - Feb 4, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    a good penalty could be: any player who tests positive (analytical positive) should forfeit his pay ans if he is under contract then default him to the league minimum for the next three seasons, even if he’s set to hit free agency in one of those next three seasons… with some kind of clause stipulating he can’t sign a contract longer than his 3 year ‘probation’ to avoid teams giving somebody three seasons at the league minimum and the next two at 25 millions to balance those ‘probation’ seasons.

    • stex52 - Feb 5, 2014 at 8:10 AM

      Now you have a situation where you have made it profitable for a team to sign a player that they know is on PED’s and then turn him in. They could sign him to a huge contract and then say, “Oops, I guess you get the league minimum.” But he is still under contract to them.

      No go.

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