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Pete Rose continues to be full of it

Feb 11, 2014, 9:00 AM EDT

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Pete Rose periodically gives interviews in which he says that gambling may be bad, but it’s nowhere near as bad as PEDs are. He has a little rehearsed spiel too, in which he says “ask Babe Ruth, ask Roger Maris, ask Hank Aaron” etc., about how they feel that their records were broken by PED users. He said this almost word-for-word in 2010 and said it again to Michael Kay yesterday:

“They’re both bad. I think in my case, I know I didn’t do anything to alter the statistics of baseball,” Rose said . . . I had nothing to do with altering statistics of baseball, and these guys, that take PEDs—wouldn’t it be nice if you could ask Babe Ruth the same question, or Roger Maris the same question or Hank Aaron, who won’t talk about it. I’d like to hear what their response will be because those are the guys who lost their records because of supposedly steroids.”

At times like this I think it’s worth reminding people that (a) Rose took amphetamines as a player, and they are clearly performance-enhancing (b) Paul Janzen, the man who, according to the Dowd Report, was Rose’s primary bet-placer was also a steroids dealer; (c) one of Rose’s best friends during his gambling days was a minor leaguer, Tommy Gioiosa, who was a heavy steroids user who shot up in front of Pete and to whom Pete constantly asked questions about steroids and PEDs, contemplating using them to extend his already lengthy career. A lengthy career that had him eke just past Ty Cobb for the hit record.

Wouldn’t it be nice, Pete, if you could ask Ty Cobb about that?

  1. bfunk1978 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    While I think he might be right (assuming he was truthful when he said he never bet against his own team, though who knows if that’s true), he also agreed to his lifetime ban. This is his campaign to have that lifted, of course, and yet he went down without barely a whimper when he agreed to it. Suck it up, Buttercup.

    • jwbiii - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:36 AM

      Not lifetime. Permanent.

      Where did you get this incorrect “lifetime ban” idea, bfunk?

      • masher1965 - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:17 AM

        He DID agree to a lifetime ban AND, sunshine, gambling on baseball came and still comes with a lifetime ban. Petey Rose knew this and bet anyways

      • uwsptke - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:33 AM

        Masher – I think jwbiii is just pointing out the difference between “Lifetime” and “Permanent” bans. Rose received the latter. To say he received a “Lifetime” ban insinuates that he could be enshrined into the HOF after his death, which is not the case. Hence the use of “Permanent” ban.

      • jwbiii - Feb 11, 2014 at 11:23 AM

        Exactly, uwsptke. Here’s the agreement the Pete Rose signed, if you can find anything about a lifetime ban, I stand corrected.

        http://www.thedowdreport.com/agreement.pdf

        The agreement to a permanent ban is in subparagraph B.5.a on page four. Rose’s signature is on page five.

        I am not familiar with the use of the word “sunshine” as you are using it. From context, I can infer the it means that the user of the word is poorly informed and wishes to have the light of knowledge shined upon him or her. Is this correct?

      • historiophiliac - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:46 PM

        No, it means masher was mashing on you, dude.

      • bfunk1978 - Feb 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM

        Forevertude. My bad.

      • paul621 - Feb 11, 2014 at 8:20 PM

        “Lifetime” vs. “permanent” is practically moot. Being reinstated after death serves no purpose from the MLB perspective, as he can’t exactly participate any more at that point anyway. His ban does not keep him from the HOF; that was a separate decision made by the HOF itself.

  2. DelawarePhilliesFan - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:07 AM

    An anti-PED User post? Well, it is about to snow twice in Atlanta, so I suppose anything is possible in life

    • plmathfoto - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM

      No this isn’t an anti-PED user post at all, think it through. It’s calling the guy who bet on baseball full of it for thinking that PED use is worse than his betting. Quite the opposite of an anti-PED post.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Feb 11, 2014 at 2:12 PM

        More of a mocking comment than anything else. Still – implying guilt by association since Pete knew a ‘roid user, and Ty Cobb’s record broken by greenies?? Tough stuff from CC!!

  3. realgone2 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    So being friends with a user or dealer is just as bad as taking them? Craig is such a jerk off.

    • cur'68 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:24 AM

      Ask Craig Biggio. Ask Mike Piazza. Ask Jeff Bagwell.

    • rbj1 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:42 AM

      Leo Durocher got a one year suspension simply for hanging out with gamblers, so yeah, hanging out with steroid dealers is just as bad. I wouldn’t mind making it a suspendable offense to associate with known PED suppliers.

    • largebill - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:54 AM

      No one said being friends with a user is as bad as taking them. What is being said is Rose did use PED’s which are currently banned (amphetamines). It is also being inferred is that in his pursuit to catch Cobb it is very likely that Rose also used steroids or other PED’s to keep playing in his mid-40’s. There is considerably more evidence that Rose used than Piazza or Bagwell who aren’t in the Hall of Fame partly due to unfounded allegations.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

        And, that Rose obviously did not find steroid use objectionable until it became a convenient argument for him in trying to work his way back in after agreeing to a ban.

    • jwbiii - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:22 AM

      Paul Janszen was a steroid dealer. Janszen lived with Pete Rose Rose for a time. Have you ever lived with a drug dealer? Have you ever lived with a drug dealer and not sampled his wares?

      Source: Dowd Report, III.C.2

    • masher1965 - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM

      If you think using amphetamines didn’t help players performances, then keep looking for that ocean front property in Arizona. It is sheer hypocrisy to whine about steroids while in the ’60’s and ’70’s, amphetamines were used like candy to keep players up for games during the season. The only difference is today’s steroids and PED’s seem ( or simply just ) do a better job then the ones from Pete Rose’s era. It also doesn’t change THE simple fact that gambling by a player and or manager is far worse than any PED . It doesn’t take a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist to realize Pete Rose used illegal bookies to make his wagers. It also doesn’t take the above mentioned geniuses to realize that baseball has had a ban on player gambling since the Black Sox scandal ( no the exact day but from that scandal ) and there is no way Rose did not know gambling is a lifetime ban . He knowingly put himself in a position where he could be “influenced” by criminals, including the mafia. ( seriously, are any of you going to say the mafia is not into bookies ?? ) Rose had a serious problem, he IS a liar, he IS a PED user, he has ZERO crediability, as he lied for FIFTEEN years saying he never gambled on the Reds, then admitted he did , but only to win. Why is that believable ?? He slandered Giamatti and Dowd, yet they were completely vindicated , and by ROSE HIMSELF. Pete Rose needs to shut up and disappear. he is an embarrassment to baseball, and manhood. He has no character, no conscience and no truth . Those who still , somehow, support him remember the player that gave it all he had on the field. I point out his all was drug aided, no different than Bonds, Sosa, ARod, or Braun. It is time to stop giving this creep the time of day

  4. paperlions - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    Right Pete, they are both bad. In one case, you are gambling and dealing with elements of society that have a long history of asking players and paying players to alter the results of games, including championships. In the other case, individual players are taking drugs to try to improve their performance and help teams win. PED use has been a common activity since WWII, even before the end of the reserve clause.

    So….which is more important, affecting who wins by losing on purpose or potentially affecting who wins by taking PEDS? The historical changes in attitudes toward PEDs describes a complete 180, from the old stories of guys that are “willing to do anything to win” to horrible cheaters. Regardless of public sentiment, the actions and results of those actions were the same.

    • stex52 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

      That’s kind of the elephant in the room, isn’t it, Paper. PED’s are only for winning. Rose’s partisans will tell you there is no way he would ever have thrown a game. But if you are a gambler looking for an angle and you don’t consider that, you are pretty stupid.

    • southpaw2k - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM

      Thank you. This was the exact same reaction I had, only you put it in much better terms than I would have.

  5. dirtyharry1971 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:42 AM

    I would like to feel bad for Pete a little bit but whenever I feel my heart is going that way I just have to remind myself this guy had to write a book and promote it on tv and make money in order to say he was sorry for lying. That’s when I don’t feel bad for him anymore

    • stex52 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:47 AM

      Yeah, I’m pretty much on board with that comment.

    • happytwinsfan - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM

      yeah, and if he could have made money by writing a book saying that he wasn’t sorry, “defiant to the end” or something, he would have done that instead.

  6. cocheese000 - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Rose and Aaron both cheated and used amphetamines. That is probably why Aaron won’t talk about pedis because he knows he is a cheater and is guilty.

    • largebill - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM

      I wouldn’t say they cheated since the league had no policy on amphetamine usage at the time. Maybe Aaron doesn’t talk a lot about PED’s or Bonds breaking his record because he is a classy guy who doesn’t make self-serving BS comments.

      • bigharold - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:10 AM

        Perhaps but if Arron did say something about Bonds’s record being tainted the very next question would be about his use of speed. Classy yes but also smart to stay out of a fight he can’t win and in the end doesn’t matter.

      • paperlions - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM

        Let’s ignore “cheating” for a second, because most people just use cheating to mean “that player is not as good as his numbers suggest he was”.

        Rose and Aaron (and many 1000s more) used amphetamines in the 50’s, 60’s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 00s. Many 100s (probably 1000s) used steroids before Jose Canseco ever entered the league (steroid use was already common in baseball in the 1960s). Now, ignoring the aspects of legality or cheating, those players received the SAME performance benefits from drug use as the players that used them after MLB started testing for them.

        The benefits existed regardless of the rules. So people can call everyone that is caught a cheater, which is fair, but they can’t act like amphetamines and steroids did not benefit previous generations of players just because they weren’t tested for back then and no one cared.

      • cohnjusack - Feb 11, 2014 at 11:23 AM

        Well, they’ve been illegal since for non-prescription use since 1965, so the fact they weren’t formally banned by MLB until later is a wee bit of a cop out.

      • masher1965 - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:13 PM

        The league had no policy on PED’s when McGuire set the homerun record, so your point is ??

    • tysonpunchinguterus - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM

      Whether he cheated or not, any reporter asking Hank Aaron about his toenails is in the wrong profession and Hank is right to dismiss their questions. ;)

  7. mediocrebob - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM

    Let’s be clear here. PEDs are for personal gain, which helps a team win. But I have a feeling that 95% of the PED users are sitting there with a needle in their ass saying, “now I can go win a championship”. They see dollar signs and huge contracts. If it helps them win, that’s a bonus.

    Pete Rose is a POS and I’m tired of his pity party. Be a man, shut up and take what you deserve.

    • mediocrebob - Feb 11, 2014 at 11:54 AM

      95% of PED users AREN’T *** sitting there…

  8. babyfarkmcgeezax - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    Wait, so Pete Rose continues to be full of a horrifying clown? Or is he the archenemy of the Knights Who Say Ni? Yet another confusing headline by Craig, who needs to take up a job at the U.S. Mint and start making some “cents”.

    • nbjays - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:41 PM

      When you are the only one on here claiming to be “confused” by Craig’s headlines, etc., then it is highly likely that you are the problem, not Craig’s writing.

      • babyfarkmcgeezax - Feb 11, 2014 at 3:40 PM

        Just because you don’t seem to give a damn about American journalism standards doesn’t mean nobody else should. When Craig points out in the headline that Pete Rose is full of “it”, how are we, the American people, supposed to know what he’s talking about unless he previously described what “it” is referring to? Even your own screen name insinuates you lack fundamental knowledge, as you don’t even know whether you support the NBA or the Blue Jays. That, orr it is an egregious, cowardly act on your part to give half, but not full, support to the Blue Jays so as to avoid the wrath of Dirty Harry and his exhibitions of cold, hard truth. You should spend less time lowering my intelligence with your failed swipes at my integrity, and spend more time supporting knowledge, and America.

  9. jm91rs - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    I feel like every time there’s a Pete Rose story it says nothing new but generates an ungodly amount of obscene hate or strange love for a man that won’t go away. Craig has shown that it’s definitely a great page hit generator on slow news days.

  10. happytwinsfan - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    even if we choose to believe that he never bet against his own team, which i do, betting for his team while its manager is almost as bad. who knows how many times he used up his best relievers when he shouldn’t have because he happened to have a bet riding. he may not have been throwing that day’s game, but he was in effect half throwing the next day’s game.

  11. bigharold - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    I’m amazed that Rose would revert to this idiotic specious argument. And, why doesn’t some one nterviewing him point out that while PEDs certainly caused some players to lose records it hardly robbed them of their personal glory. That fans are smart enough to see things in context. While his action threatened the very foundation of the game.

    There have always been eras in baseball. The dead all era, the segregation era, the era when speed was instutionialized in baseball, the era before free agency. All these things have had a direct effect on game out comes and records but MLB thrived despite them al. Gambling, the Rose did, is the one thing that could kill it.

    For about a year Rose seemed like he was taking responsibility with equivocation. Just when you think it’s safe to listen to Pete Rose he says something stupid. At this rate if he’s ever inducted it will posthumously. And that will be the result of his own big mouth. Too bad id like to see him inducted while he’s still above ground.

    • bigharold - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM

      Edit: without equivocation.

      • happytwinsfan - Feb 11, 2014 at 12:06 PM

        your point that gambling is the one thing that could kill baseball, hits it on the head. baseball is willing to forgive almost anything. you can be a drunk, a racist, a paranoid nut, whatever, but gambling on baseball is taboo, because once the fans come to believe that the games are scripted infotainment events put on for the enrichment of gambling insiders, the game is dead.

        rose crossed that line and beyond by placing bets on his own team while a manager. he may have been the ty cobb of our era, but he cannot be forgiven.

    • irishmanknowsall - Feb 11, 2014 at 12:27 PM

      Wait. You think that players taking PEDs didn’t threaten the very foundation of the game? I have watched Ken Burn’s movie documentary about Baseball. Watching the earliest players in the game, it is hard to believe that any of them used anything more than their natural skills and their heart, to play this great game.
      Jim Bouton, former Yankee and Seattle Pilots pitcher, wrote his historic and at the time treasonous Ball Four about 1970. In it he recounts the pills that he says were available in every major league locker room. One, we don’t know how true that it is, and two, we don’t know how many players at that time consumed PEDs.
      It is my stance that any athlete who consumed a performance-enhancing substance of any type, illegal by govt or league law, is a cheat. That statement would probably result in some empty stalls at Cooperstown. I just can’t see Ted or Joe and Mick or Willie or Hank or Lou or the Babe or Ty or Honus or Boog or Brooksie or Yaz or any of them, taking something to enhance what they did. Geez, they didn’t need to. Many of those listed more often probably played hung-over. Baseball is the greatest game. It is sad to see players cheat while competing. Rose affected the outcome of games just as badly as any PED consumer. He needs to stay gone.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 11, 2014 at 12:44 PM

        It is my stance that any athlete who consumed a performance-enhancing substance of any type, illegal by govt or league law, is a cheat. That statement would probably result in some empty stalls at Cooperstown. I just can’t see Ted or Joe and Mick or Willie or Hank or Lou or the Babe or Ty or Honus or Boog or Brooksie or Yaz or any of them, taking something to enhance what they did.

        Willie Mays and Hank Aaron admitted taking PEDs, admitted it. Mantle missed a game after developing an abscess when a doctor gave him a steroid injection.

      • masher1965 - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:29 PM

        There has ALWAYS BEEN some sort of edge sought in baseball. You and many others , are over reacting to the PED’s. This is no different than the amphetamines, or the cocaine, or ( going way back) using two different woods for bats ( WHY do you think there is a rule about the bat being one solid piece of wood ?? Babe Ruth ( yeah THAT Babe Ruth) used a composite bat made of soft and hard wood. You want to ban some of his records ?? there was the spitballs, greaseballs , one time LEGAL , until their edge became too great and fans got upset. The ONLY reason steroids has been such a huge noise is because the steroids have broken a “golden rule” , players on the steroids are just not breaking historical records, they are obliterating them , and OFTEN. If the didn’t fall, the outcry would not be so bad.
        As for gambling, ANYBODY with a functioning brain knows that it is far worse than PED’s. Ped’s are used to be a better player, for more money. The teams get a benefit from it and so do fans. Gambling destroys the integrity, period. PED’s make historical records a farce, and while that is important to baseball, it isn’t a big deal ( Maris and the asterisk, anyone ?/) It can be worked around. However, when fans doubt whether the game is even honest, the “gig” is up. A dirty manager, like Rose, destroys the game. Every decision is brought under severe and intense scrutiny , is he going with his gut or is he being forced to by his bookie or did he pick the team to lose tonight ?? It isn’t even close. If this was an average player or manager , instead of such a popular player and legend like Rose, he would never be heard from, and DESERVEDLY SO. Because it is the great Pete Rose, his fans will not believe the truth that he is a scumbag , even when the truth smacks them in the face

      • bigharold - Feb 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM

        “You think that players taking PEDs didn’t threaten the very foundation of the game?”

        Exactly. Do you think that the records that were created and existed prior to and in many cases after 1947 are completely untainted? Don’t you think that there weren’t guys that could hit 30-40 HRs a season in the dead ball era but were stuck playing in the dead ball era? And, every player after WWII likely availed themselves of amphetamines, including Williams, Mantel, Mays and Aaron.

        As I pointed out there have always been different eras. These eras define not a significant extent what was possible, who did or didn’t succeed and what records were established and by whom. And, that doesn’t even touch of the part of discussion as to just how much help that PEDs actually provided. Because, while PEDs certainly made a player stronger they didn’t do anything for hand eye coordination, which allows a player to hit a baseball or the ability to control where the baseball a pitcher is throwing was likely to go, both key elements in the ability of successful MLB players. Finally, there will never be any realistic way to determine anywhere near the exact percentage of players that in fact used PEDs and then to what extent. Because whatever that percentage actually is, it’s certainly not just the players that have been punished by MLB, i.e, Bonds and Clemens. It’s certainly not even the players that have failed PED screenings, i.e. ARod. So, who’s to know exactly how level the playing field was during the “steroid era”.

        I’m glad there is progress in ridding MLB of steroids. But, I’m well aware this could merely be a phase whereby “traditional PEDs” are screened out of the game only to eventually be replaced by more sophisticated enhancement methods that my go beyond chemicals and protocols we know consider PEDs, .. perhaps beyond chemicals altogether and more in the realm of gene therapy or modification. Regardless, this recent episode is merely the most recent era in baseball. And, it in no way threatened the foundation of MLB. What Rose did, by himself, could have transformed MLB into a seedy pro wrestling spinoff whereby every big strike out, every 9th inning game winning HR every error would be called into question. So, yeah I think what Rose did was potentially far worse. And, I wish he’d shut up about already. He’s not doing himself any favors.

  12. karlkolchak - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Ty Cobb’s PED was being one mean SOB.

    • mediocrebob - Feb 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM

      Alcohol and a fat chew.

  13. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Feb 11, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    And this is why I continue to feel no sorrow for Pete not being in the Hall of Fame. He’s a liar, delusional, a true cheat and STILL refuses to come clean with all of his involvement in drugs, gambling, etc. He wants to jump up and down and cry about how he was mistreated, yet still cannot understand the concept of basic honesty.

    Doing steroids = Cheating in an attempt to make yourself better
    Gambling on games = Cheating by losing on purpose in an attempt to make your wallet bigger.

  14. mightyoak - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Cobb would provide no verbal answer.

  15. blingslade - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    My prison without bars lol!

  16. historiophiliac - Feb 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    Pete sees dead people.

  17. anxovies - Feb 11, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    The comparison between Cobb, Ruth and Rose is interesting. Cobb was a psychotic criminal who physically attacked people because of their race, or just because he felt like doing it, and once claimed that he shot and killed a man and left him to die in the streets. Ruth was a notorious boozer who neglected his family. Rose placed bets on his own team and took amphetamines. Guess which ones are enshrined in the HOF and lionized as among of the best three or four players of all time? I also note that under Craig’s analysis anybody who was a teammate of Canesco or McGwire should be banned from baseball because those guys juiced. Rose made his deal with the league and I guess he will have to live with it until we all become less hypocritical in some future Utopian age.

    • pastabelly - Feb 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM

      You raise a lot of issues, but Rose gambled on baseball and is on the outside looking in. It’s just such a separate issue.

      Cobb was a scumbag and a jackass, but was never convicted of murder, much like OJ Simpson, who remains in the Pro Football HOF.

      Babe Ruth had issues, but I don’t know where you’re going on that one.

      As for Craig, he really doesn’t care about steroids at all and would have no problems with Rose if he was the biggest juicer of his era. However, I think his point is that Rose is offering up nothing more than self-serving drivel, which is possibly also hypocritical.

  18. barrywhererufrom - Feb 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    If you are insinuating that rose did roids then you need to get your head examined. Yeah Pete was jacked..what we’re his homerun totals towards the end of his career? I do think Rose is beyond clueless if he thinks betting on baseball was not as bad as PED abuse. They both stained the game. Rose went against the sanctity of baseball when he bet on baseball. PED abuser cheat the game of its history by having its numbers skewed due to illicit strength and power due to PEDS. I hold the PED abuser and Rose in contempt.

    • Reflex - Feb 11, 2014 at 3:46 PM

      1) Why do you think steroids only help a player hit home runs? How come more pitchers have been suspended than hitters? How come so many marginal players with no power have been suspended for PED use?

      2) Why are you so certain Rose did not use steroids? He was, as pointed out, associated with several dealers and gyms who delt in steroids and admitted at the time to investigating if they could help him in his career.

      3) How about his impact on his players when he was a manager? He is known to have encouraged young players to juice in order to have a better chance of sticking. This was covered here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=steroids&num=2

      No one has to insinuate anything with Rose. It is a fact that he was in tight with gamblers. It is a fact that he was in tight with steroid pushers and users. It is a fact that he at the very least considered them. It is not much of a leap to say that he is as guilty as many of the other suspected users, there is certainly far more evidence in his case than there is for players like Brady Anderson, Mike Piazza, Jeff Bagwell, and so on.

      • barrywhererufrom - Feb 13, 2014 at 9:20 AM

        Did was doing roids he better of gotten a refund. Roids would of given him strength. I didn’t see rose’ s power numbers increase all. Pete associated with all sorts of dbags. Doesn’t mean he was a part of all their activities. I know the current occupant in the White house went to a Church for 17 years of a racist named Rev. Wright. He also started his political career at the home of convicted Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers. Ayers also was Obama’s children’s babysitter . Come to think of it maybe you are right..

      • Reflex - Feb 13, 2014 at 12:47 PM

        Steroids can have a number of effects, depending on the steroids in use. Some help with strength, some with endurance, some with recovery, some just help you breathe as my asthma medication demonstrates. You obviously know little about steroids. They do not do much to help you hit home runs.

        And your history of Obama seems pretty tinted by NewsMax glasses. I’d remove them and check again.

  19. shyts7 - Feb 11, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    Leave it to Craig to write another pro roid article. It would be nice and refreshing if he could write something else other than something shining a good light on roid users.

    A) Rose did take “greenies.” As others have said, greenies let you get on the field. It didn’t turn a fly ball out into a HR. I may be wrong but I would probably put greenies in the same category as Cortisone.

    B) So because Rose did business with a supposed roid dealer on betting matters, that means he is a roid user? That’s like saying if you buy a car off a guy who also sells drugs, you are a drug user. Bad correlation Craig.

    C) Same with letter B. I might have known a person or two that sold drugs and I could have asked them about it, doesn’t mean I’m a drug user. If you have legitimate proof, bring it forward Craig. Stop make libelous innuendo.

    Call me different and wrong, but, I don’t see why Rose isn’t in the HOF for his play. I don’t think he deserves a spot in baseball now, but, if Ty Cobb can be in the HOF, then Rose should be also as well as Shoeless Joe Jackson.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 12, 2014 at 9:48 AM

      A) Rose did take “greenies.” As others have said, greenies let you get on the field. It didn’t turn a fly ball out into a HR. I may be wrong but I would probably put greenies in the same category as Cortisone.

      You’re wrong. Greenies are far more effective than ‘roids because it’s instant energy and alertness. The only action a person needs to take is to ingest them. ‘Roids don’t do anything without accompanying workouts so the effects take a lot longer to show up. Also, if a batter is exhausted from 15 games in a row travelling all through the south by bus, a warning track fly ball can easily become a HR due to amphetamine use.

      B) So because Rose did business with a supposed roid dealer on betting matters, that means he is a roid user? That’s like saying if you buy a car off a guy who also sells drugs, you are a drug user. Bad correlation Craig.

      No Craig isn’t saying that he was a user, but a guy who everyone accepts would do anything to win, was friends with a dealer and introduced said dealer to his friends, and also spent 15 years lying to the public about what he did, it’s not hard to imagine Pete might have used.

      C) Same with letter B. I might have known a person or two that sold drugs and I could have asked them about it, doesn’t mean I’m a drug user. If you have legitimate proof, bring it forward Craig. Stop make libelous innuendo.

      See above, and you’re not a lawyer so stop pretending to be one. There is nothing libelous in what Craig wrote (and he’s a former lawyer so he’d know better).

      Call me different and wrong, but, I don’t see why Rose isn’t in the HOF for his play.

      Because he broke the cardinal rule of baseball.

  20. sportsfan18 - Feb 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    Rose made his own bed so he gets to lie in it.

    But, Rose the player was something. He’s small, not fast etc… He wasn’t called “Charlie Hustle” for nothing.

    He played the game hard, ran all the time, even on walks, never took a play off or loafed down the line etc…

    Yeah, he hurt the game due to his gambling. I’m not absolving him.

    I just wanted to remind folks that he played the game the right way though. He did better than he should have with the athletic gifts he had.

    So many today loaf, take plays off, take games off, don’t care, don’t concentrate etc…

    Watching Pete play was fun.

  21. blingslade - Feb 11, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    Pete Rose was around when baseball was King, the Reds were King, and yes, Pete became the All-Time Hits King.

    But in the end, Pete was his own worse enemy. He has nobody to blame but himself.

  22. musketmaniac - Feb 11, 2014 at 9:31 PM

    worthless conversation, Does not need to be fueled or repeated. Of course Rose wants to talk about it, he’s on the outside looking in. What’s the writers excuse. yet it gets more comments than any other baseball story today. And now I’m sucked in. You people owe me three minutes of my day.

  23. johnnycantread - Feb 11, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    Steroids… Gambling… Let the issues to judged separately.
    Rose is trying to lessen his crime by muddy up the waters with PED talk.
    Face it, Pete… You’re wasting your time.
    You’re never getting elected to the HOF.

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