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The Mariners-Nelson Cruz talks are on hold

Feb 13, 2014, 4:20 PM EDT

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Just a couple of days ago it appeared that the Mariners and Nelson Cruz were slated to come to an agreement. Not so fast. Chris Cotillo of MLB Daily Dish reports that the talks between the sides are “on hold.”

Why, exactly, is unclear. Could be a financial issue, could be just a change of plans of the M’s. Maybe they realized that, without Franklin Gutierrez around, they could use someone who isn’t a corner guy, though there aren’t many of those available at the moment.

In any event, if this deprives me of seeing an outfield of Logan Morrison, Nelson Cruz and Corey Hart playing all at once, I’m gonna be a little miffed.

  1. halladaysbiceps - Feb 13, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Before I comment further on Nelson Cruz, what drug did he take? I have googled this repeatedly (a few times) since being tested hot for a “PED”. What did he get nailed on?

    • Alex K - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      He didn’t fail a test. He was part of the Biogenesis suspensions.

      • halladaysbiceps - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:15 PM

        Gotcha. He never failed a MLB piss test. So, besides his Biogenesis implications, no one knows what he took? Is that correct?

      • cur'68 - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:57 PM

        If you want that info you are going to have to ask Anthony Bosch or Bosch’s handler, Bud Selig. The info wasn’t released.

      • halladaysbiceps - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:11 PM

        I hear you, cur’68. My understanding is that no one know what Nelson Cruz took. Maybe someone knows. Point being is that if I was the GM of any team, I wouldn’t touch this dude at all. With non-statements from him as well as the fact it’s Feb. 13th, I would let him linger. Let him be an example to future players that want to cheat.

    • nikedunks13 - Feb 14, 2014 at 2:35 AM

      No idea what he took but the Mariners should let him sign somewhere else. It was reported earlier that he rejected a 5 year 75 million dollar contract. Why would someone who was just suspended for PEDs reject an offer like that? 33 years old and you were just suspended for PEDs and 75 million isn’t enough for you? Go find another team.

  2. uyf1950 - Feb 13, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    I guess one of the headlines on here the other day about “All Signs lead to the Mariners signing Cruz” took a detour when both Walker and Iwakuma showed up at ST with varying degrees of injuries.

    • plmathfoto - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:47 PM

      It’s what I was thinking, maybe they’re earmarking the $$ for Cruz for a pitcher instead, or re evaluating…or both

      • mustang6984 - Feb 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM

        The M’s have more money to spend than most teams. They have a controlling interest in ROOT Sports, which they purchased last year. That is a cash cow. I’m guessing they have been trying to tie the money he wants, to incentives and that is being worked on.

      • uyf1950 - Feb 14, 2014 at 7:15 AM

        @ mustang6984, I don’t think anyone questions that the Mariners have money to spend but like most teams even with the Yankees and Dodgers there are still choices that have to be made. That’s probably the case here with the Mariners. They have x amount of money left in the kiddy. They just spent $7 to $8MM this season on Rodney, maybe the choice now is either Cruz OR a starting pitcher. I don’t know I’m just saying that is a possibility.

        BTW, as for your comment about the possible hang up in Cruz’s deal being due to the Mariners wanted a chunk of his pay to be based on incentives. For all intensive purposes the only incentives a team can include in a position players contract is PA’s or Games Played. Other then those 2 any other incentives are pretty much a no, no. So I doubt incentives are the reason for the delay.

    • cackalackyank - Feb 13, 2014 at 7:31 PM

      Inclined to agree with you. Ervin Santana might actually be a good fit for Safeco. If this is a reassessment based on the early pitching news, it may mean those injuries are looking to be more than the 4-6 weeks published.

  3. garypagetwo - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:04 PM

    this team will be lucky to get 75 wins this year

    • nikedunks13 - Feb 14, 2014 at 2:36 AM

      What drugs are you on?

  4. Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    The new look seattle mariners. Aka the 2013 toronto blue jays. This team will win nothing. Throwing money at the problem never solves it. You have to have good farm system to develop a consistent winner in mlb.

    • spudchukar - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM

      Like the Yankees, right?

      • tmhofficial - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

        Right, like the Yankees. Except the Yankees spend more than all of their opposition, but inefficiently, to the point where they can’t even win their own division despite having by far the highest payroll.

        Bad example. His example comparing the M’s to the Jays actually fits. The Jays spent (both fiscally and with prospects), but everyone could see their huge holes that remained. Same for the 2014 M’s. Is there anyone that really thinks, at this moment, that they’re a playoff team?

      • uyf1950 - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:52 PM

        @ tmhofficial, the Yankees have won their division 12 of the last 16 years and 3 of the last 5. I think that’s a pretty good percentage. You might want to rethink your comment.

      • tmhofficial - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:56 PM

        I’m talking about last year, just like the original comment was in reference to the Blue Jays of last year.

        If you have any further questions or concerns with reading comprehension, let me know!

      • Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:56 PM

        Wow , this is like fishing with dynamite. Yes, the yankees are my point exactly. The yankees on their way to becoming the greatest franchise in team sports , had one of the best farm systems in baseball. Jeter rivera petite williams posada cano. Just to name a few. They were dominant when they filled in the missing pieces with average players. When they started getting greedy and spent on big time players , they still won just not like they did in the late 90s. Only one ring. They had to go through some lean yrs to ge to the dominance of the late 90s. Lean yrs are no longer acceptable but I think cashman knows that the farm is the key. It is getting rebuilt and they will become a dynasty. Again! 5 rings in 18 years ain’t to bad though haters.

      • spudchukar - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM

        You are a walking, talking contradiction. The Yankees just started getting greedy? That’s news to me.

        And then to proclaim success over 18 years, which was enhanced by the addition of numerous FAs.

        I’m sure Cashman is aware of the need to build from within, but currently they have no one anybody is interested in, and are forced to make moves through FA.

        Reports indicate that the New York brass hopes to “blow up” the international signing market. As unseemly, yet legal as that may be, that is a one-year desperation strategy, and only forces MLB to make sure their rules cannot be abused again.

        The game has changed, and the Yanks are slow on the draw. Their wealth will insure they remain competitive, but the days of dynasties are over.

      • tmhofficial - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:58 PM

        Typical Yankee fan, living in the past. Never mind your most hated rival, the Red Sox, just won the World Series. Also, the Rays, are smacking the Yankees despite having a tiny payroll.

        But keep hanging your hat on the success of years ago. I don’t blame you!

      • Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:25 PM

        Hey pud whacker. Just profess your yankee hate and cleanse your soul. They are the greatest franchise in the history of team sports and you just have to sit there and take from me because you know I’m right.

      • spudchukar - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:40 PM

        I criticize the Yankees when they deserve it. I grew up a Yankee fan and until the Steinbrenner era, continued to hold those feelings. It was St. Louis in the NL, and the Yanks in the AL, and unless the Cards faced the Yankees in the World Series, (an advantage Red Birds fans know they hold), it would be New York I would pull for if St. Louis didn’t make the series.

        However, the greed and drama of the Yanks sinse ol George took over has lessened my enthusiasm. Now I prefer the Rays and Mariners in the AL but still root for the Yanks over most of their competitors.

        That doesn’t mean I am not repulsed by the financial activities of New York. Call me a hater if your simplistic view of discourse requires it.

        And as a Cards fan I am happy to sit right where I am entering the 2014 campaign. Envious? You should be.

      • uyf1950 - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:32 PM

        @ tmhofficial, I was going to reply to your earlier comment but to be honest you are neither worth the time or effort. Have a good day, maybe one day you’ll lose that chip you are carrying on your shoulder.

    • babaluya2 - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:44 PM

      I’m guessing you haven’t looked into the mariners farm system then…?

      • Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:10 PM

        No why would I do that? They won’t be playing the yanks in the playoffs this year. But I guess if you want to tell me how great it is then go for it.

    • Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:21 PM

      Mr official. Who is your team ? You have a lot to say. I’d like to hear who you cheer for. As a yankees fans you can live in tons of the past because of how great it is. As for the sox and rays god bless em. They are both well run and deserve the success they get. But the only reason the yanks have missed the playoffs twice in the last 17 years is because they got riddled with injuries. No one had more than the yanks last year and they were still in it with two weeks left. Girardi should have been the manager of the year. They will be back contending for a ring this year. Bank on it.

      • spudchukar - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:29 PM

        All teams get injuries, wise ones prepare for that event. That is the glaring weakness of building by free agency. No one in the pipe line to fill in for the hobbled. And only a fool guarantees success.

      • Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:51 PM

        They were playing third stringers at 4 positions. No one can withstand that. And it is not foolish if you can back it up and they’ve been backing it up for close to two decades.

    • Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 6:59 PM

      So you cheer for the two winningest teams in baseball and flip flop between who ever is winning. Let me guess you like the seahawks and broncos in the nfl and heat and spurs in the nba.

      • spudchukar - Feb 13, 2014 at 7:58 PM

        I was born and raised in St. Louis. My grandfather delivered milk to the Berra home. By Dad played against Yogi at Heine Meine field in south St. Louis. Mickey Mantle lived near the southwest Missouri border, played ball early in Missouri, and was raised a Cards’ fan.

        So if you choose to label me a “front runner”, go ahead, but my allegiance stems from a more solid source.

        But mostly I was a Baseball fan, and the Yanks in those days were a class organization, with terrific talent but also enviable character. It was their excellence of play that lured me to root for them. But those days are long gone, ushered in by the Steinbrenner era. So while I once rooted for the Pinstripes in the AL, never did I “flip-flop”. I bleed red.

      • Youknowimright - Feb 13, 2014 at 8:22 PM

        Fair enough. You tugged on my heart strings. My grandfather was a milkman too and a great guy. I gotta give you a pass now. But the yanks took the structure of baseball , which is no salary cap and the
        Right to make and spend as much money as you want and they took it to the next level and created a monster. They never did anything wrong orillegal. Your beef is with mlb not the yanks. We will take you back when you’re ready .

      • spudchukar - Feb 13, 2014 at 8:25 PM

        I agree they never did anything illegal.

    • nikedunks13 - Feb 14, 2014 at 2:55 AM

      The Mariners have spent money on Cano.. that’s pretty much it. Tanaka, from the farm system, Seager from the Farm system, Tanaka from the farm system, Paxton from the farm system, Felix from the farm system. I don’t know if you know this but you can sign players from free agency.

      • Youknowimright - Feb 17, 2014 at 5:21 PM

        I’m a yankees fan. Of course I know you can sign free agents. I’m done arguing with mariners fans. You guys have won nothing. The yanks have won a lot of championships and are much better. End of argument. Go get excited about your farm system that you have been building for the last 20 years.

  5. elvin2014 - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Nelson Cruz could sign with Seattle Mariners this week or next week….

  6. elvin2014 - Feb 13, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    Seattle Mariners need a right handed power hitter like Nelson Cruz!

  7. edavidberg - Feb 13, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    I don’t get why Seattle would want to sign this guy. His power won’t play in Seattle and they have to give up a draft pick to get him. That organization is completely out of it.

    • mustang6984 - Feb 14, 2014 at 12:59 AM

      Actually…YOU are out of it. No one else has a problem hitting long bombs in Seattle. Actually…he didn’t either when Rangers came to town. The draft pick is a #3 pick I believe…so who cares?

      • nikedunks13 - Feb 14, 2014 at 3:01 AM

        Dude you have no idea what your talking about. you’re just assuming that he hit bombs at safeco. Since you apparently can’t check the numbers befor you comment I’ll fill you in, his numbers at Safeco over the last 3 years: .198 Average, 2 Home runs and 4 RBIs in 86 at bats. Looking at those stats I’d say it’s fair to say he had trouble hitting bombs in Seattle, I’d also say it’s fair to say you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

      • uyf1950 - Feb 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        @ mustang6984, actually the draft pick the Mariners would lose if they sign ANY player either Santana, Jimenez or Cruz would be their competitive balance pick at the end of the 2nd round and before any 3rd round picks. Right now that competitive balance pick is the 75 pick overall but that number could change slightly.

        The Mariners 3rd round pick is actually the 81st overall pick as it stands now.

  8. mustang6984 - Feb 14, 2014 at 12:57 AM

    Just sign him already and get it over with.

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