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David Ortiz on his critics: “[Expletive] them. I’m tired of hearing them talk [expletive] about me.”

Feb 18, 2014, 3:30 PM EDT

David Ortiz AP

David Ortiz gets a lot of criticism for having the audacity to want to be paid like the superstar he is. Actually, to be paid far less than a lot of superstars make. He makes $15 million, after all, and that’s less than A.J. Burnett makes. Yet people still complain about him wanting to get an extra year on his deal here and there.

He had a message for those guys today:

“I don’t even know why they’re bitching about me talking about contracts,” Ortiz said. “Guys putting up my numbers, they’re making $25, $30 million. I’m not asking for that. I’m asking for half of it. And they’re still bitching about it? (Expletive) them. I’m tired of hearing them talk (expletive) about me when I talk about my contract. Hey, every time I talk about my contract, I earn it, (expletive). So don’t be giving me that (expletive).”

I’m not sure anyone else could get away with that kind of comment. But then again, I don’t know anyone else who is in the MVP conversation year-in, year-out and just led his team to a World Series title and still gets slammed by the local press all the time either.

  1. micquarters - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM

    Immaturity and poking of the hive to follow to follow:

    Now imagine if A-Rod, who has had all the same intangibles that Craig put in his last paragraph and who has also been linked to PID use (but also never failed a test) said this same thing.

    • granadafan - Feb 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM

      Hey, Lance Armstrong never failed a test either, and cyclists are tested after each stage of a race and randomly throughout the year. Tests CAN be beaten.

  2. pftfan - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Roid Rage of the highest order. Can’t wait till this house of cards comes crashing down.

  3. bronxbomber213 - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    Still waiting for you to (expletive)ing get to to the bottom of that (expletive) “false positive” test back in 03 there big papi!! Just sayin…..

    • Jack Marshall - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:23 PM

      And how exactly is he supposed to do that? Everything, absolutely everything, about Ortiz suggests he is a stand-up guy of high integrity. The union and MLB agree that the positive test does not prove that he knowingly used banned substances, or what triggered the positive, or even that it was a true positive. His character suggests that he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

      • zackd2 - Feb 18, 2014 at 9:45 PM

        Lol wow what BS dude

        1. He promised the fans hed get to the bottom of it, and hasn’t commented on it since
        2. Every steroid user is a stand up guy, until he gets caught
        And my favorite
        3. ” knowing used” is the biggest BS line ever

      • byjiminy - Feb 19, 2014 at 12:02 AM

        Character?

        Did you read the quotes up there?

  4. DelawarePhilliesFan - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    I’d like to give a nod to the fact that he is amazing :)

  5. chip56 - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    Ortiz is old and, while he’s a tremendous hitter, he’s a pretty big douche and can only DH. If the Red Sox want to go year to year with him that’s their choice. If he’s really that disgruntled about it then he can explore his options after this season. Though I doubt that anyone else will line up to give a 39 year old DH a long term contract either.

    • Jack Marshall - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:29 PM

      How is the guy “a douche”? He’s a team leader, he works within the community, he’s a citizen, a good dad, and the face of the franchise. He’s got to be one of top great deals the team ever made, and the entire Red Sox establishment owes him a debt of gratitude as a key to all three championships. He has a good reason to feel he shouldn’t have to beg for each contract. The team signed Tim Wakefield to a self-renewing contract—Ortiz deserves the same kind of deal, and more.

      What the hell’s the matter with you?

      • chip56 - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM

        Ortiz is all about Oritz.

        The notion that teams owe players some debt of gratitude is insane. He’s been paid very well for services rendered and, as I’ve said, if he wishes to see if the grass is greener somewhere else then he is welcome to do that.

        What makes Ortiz a douche is that he’s constantly picking fights that aren’t there – that he’s disrespected by the team, by the media – it’s just not true. The media point out his actual flaws (age and, when he was fat, that too) and the team isn’t willing to commit to a dumb contract – those don’t make them his enemies.

        As for Wakefield, you’re very confused if you can’t figure out the difference between giving a guy who throws a knuckleball a “lifetime” contract and giving one to a hitter.

      • dan1111 - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:39 PM

        Tim Wakefield is an exceedingly poor example, as his contract basically allowed the team going year to year with him indefinitely, at an extremely cheap rate. It was a gift to the team, not an example of something beneficial to the player.

      • byjiminy - Feb 19, 2014 at 12:09 AM

        He’s a nasty, foul-mouthed, PED-taking sourpuss who’s always complaining. I hate listening to one of the most pampered people in the world whine, especially if he cheated to achieve his success. He stole from the honest players by taking drugs to beat them, he’s made millions and millions of dollars and won multiple world series, and yet he does nothing but grimace and groan. I wish he would just shut up.

  6. chip56 - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    “I’m not sure anyone else could get away with that kind of comment. But then again, I don’t know anyone else who is in the MVP conversation year-in, year-out and just led his team to a World Series title and still gets slammed by the local press all the time either.”

    See Alex Rodriguez following the 2009 Yankees world series victory.

    • dapperdan50 - Feb 19, 2014 at 8:30 AM

      Did you see the part of the quote about “year-in, year-out”? A-Rod hasn’t been worth half his pay for the last 4 years. (2014 will be the first year since ’09 when he is actually worth what they’re paying him.) And even given a great year in ’09, he was not instrumental in THREE championships, was not a team leader, was not a positive and beloved presence in the community, and certainly (thank god!) was not the face of the franchise. The difference between Ortiz and A-Rod could hardly be greater—yes, A-Rod is the more talented of the two, but what he has done with that talent, on and off the field, is a world away from what Ortiz has done.

      I suspect that the inevitable flood of nasty comments we get whenever Ortiz is in the news has more to do with envy of the Red Sox than it does with anything specific to Ortiz. The PED ‘evidence’ is ridiculously flimsy, but I guess if you want to keep clinging to it, knock yourself out. And all the “fat” BS is both way overblown and way, way out of date.

      • chip56 - Feb 19, 2014 at 9:27 AM

        I wasn’t talking about the last few years. I was referring to the media heat Alex took for things like sunbathing in Central Park or just in general not being Derek Jeter from the day he got to New York through the 2010 season when he was putting up MVP numbers (and winning two of them) and helping get the Yankees in the playoffs.

        The PED evidence is that he appeared on the same failed test list as Alex did in 2009 and the fact that he was quite fat is factual, 2 years old and not overblown. He was so fat and so bad a couple of years ago that there was talk about his Red Sox career being over which is why he only got a short term contract in his last go-round.

        But hey, feel free to call everyone else biased without admitting your own…that’s cool.

  7. kyleshabram - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    The rant aside… I certainly think he has a right to want a contract extension, but I don’t understand why he is constantly talking to the media about it. He doesn’t HAVE to answer the question if he doesn’t want to.

  8. tadthebad - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:47 PM

    Slammed by the local press all the time? You are as delirious as him.

    • asimonetti88 - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:55 PM

      Seriously.. he complains about his “critics” all the time… this guy is treated pretty damn well in the media compared to many other stars.

    • chip56 - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM

      By “slammed” Craig means that the local press point out the fact that Ortiz is old and, for a time, let himself go physically and that he whines all the time about his contract.

      All of which happen to be honest criticisms of a very good hitter.

  9. chunkala - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:48 PM

    Let’s see – if you don’t like what you’re getting paid then leave your team. But of course you won’t do that because you know that you’ll never put up the same numbers without the friendly confines of Fenway. Ortiz has said as much his self.
    Also, the others that get paid $25-$30m with “identical” numbers also play the field. Therefore, his numbers have to be 1.5-2x what other players put up.

    • pastabelly - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM

      I call BS on that one and can only imagine the numbers David would have put up had he played 1/2 his games in Yankee Stadium and not Fenway Park. If you haven’t noticed, that shift that teams utilize against him is because he’s a dead pull hitter and his homers rarely go over the Pesky Pole and are usually into the bullpen. That’s a freaking shot.

  10. The Common Man - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:48 PM

    How dare David Ortiz speak his mind? After 17 years as one of the most interesting quotes in the game, three world championships, a World Series MVP, nine All Star appearances, and 431 homers, he should know better than to think he’s allowed to respond to critics.

    • chip56 - Feb 18, 2014 at 3:57 PM

      No one’s saying he shouldn’t respond to his critics. I think the argument is with the notion that there are no legitimate reasons to criticize him.

      • The Common Man - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:14 PM

        Seems like all the complaints come down to “he’s a loud guy who plays for a team I don’t like” and “he tested positive for something 11 years ago, and I’m angry about that even though I don’t know what he took, whether he meant to take it, and if he’s continued to take it” and “he’s an old DH.” One of those is a valid reason not to give him a contract extension, but even then, it’s pretty lame given his performance.

      • chip56 - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:23 PM

        Why is it lame? He is a tremendous hitter – that’s not up for debate. But why should Boston bid against themselves here? Do you think that if he goes to the open market some team is going to give a 39 year old DH a 3 year deal for $60 or $75 million?

        When Theo ran the Sox he did a fantastic job of taking sentimentality out of negotiations – whether it was with Pedro, Damon or Varitek he focused on the reality of the team and the reality of the market and that’s what Cherrington should and is doing with regard to Ortiz. And who knows, maybe there’s a belief that the best way to keep Papi productive is to make him feel like he has to prove something…if that’s the decision Boston has made, then more power to them.

        Again, if Ortiz doesn’t like it he has the ability to shop his services elsewhere – maybe he can team up with his buddy Cano in Seattle next year.

    • tadthebad - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:06 PM

      Who has said that? He can say whatever he wants, I’m not obligated to agree with him.

  11. pastabelly - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:00 PM

    David Ortiz is no less than a living legend in Boston sports and that is not easy with the likes of Tom Brady still playing quarterback for the Patriots. It’s easy to understand his frustration. What bothers most of his fans is his propensity to discuss his contract dealings with the media. You hear what you hear from Jon Lester and then you hear Big Papi complaining and it doesn’t sit right. I’d like to see him get paid, at the same time, I’d like to see him stop complaining to the press.

    As far as the ones making $25M also playing the field, they don’t get paid for “playing the field”. They get paid for their offensive numbers. Ortiz plays the field when it’s needed (World Series).

  12. RonKarate - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Didn’t Ted Williams used to say the same thing about the Boston press?

    • 18thstreet - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:14 PM

      The Boston press was brutal to Williams.

  13. 18thstreet - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    His enemies are imaginary. Everyone loves Big Papi.

    This schtick is what motivates him. It seems to be working.

    • 18thstreet - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:38 PM

      To put it another way:

      All the “haters” David Ortiz rages against would fit in a mini Cooper. But motivation is motivation. #redsox— Pete Abraham (@PeteAbe) February 18, 2014

      • indaburg - Feb 18, 2014 at 7:14 PM

        Does Dan Shaughnessy’s giant head fit inside a mini Cooper?

  14. brewcrewfan54 - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM

    He’s a very good player and I don’t have a problem with his rant. He just has to realize at his age fans and team management alike don’t want to give a guy a huge contract, at least not one several years long of guaranteed money.

  15. infieldhit - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    It’s not what he says but how he says it. For someone nicknamed Big Papi, sometimes it seems like he has some growing up to do.

  16. braddavery - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Big Papi should be re-nicknamed Big Babi.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:34 PM

      I found it hilarious when he started out so bad a few seasons ago and everyone was calling him “Big Pop-Up.”

  17. stratomaticfan - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    I wonder why the Yankee fans point to that inconclusive sample test back then and want to crucify Ortiz and/or claim his accomplishments are tainted, yet they look the other way when Andy Pettite admitted to using them in order to help him get back on the field. Pot…meet Kettle!

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:40 PM

      None of us look(ed) the other way, and many of us brought it up. And a certain group of us also called out the hypocrisy about how “honest Andy” really lied multiple times and kept getting caught so he shouldn’t be held up as some beacon of truth when it comes to PEDs.

    • 18thstreet - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:41 PM

      Because we’re all hypocrites, okay? We’re all rooting for laundry.

      It’s part of the fun.

    • yankeefan1950 - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:48 PM

      I’m a lifetime Yankee fan but I agree with you. For some reason Pettitte (“big Phony”) has been given a free pass for his use of PEDs. His apologists say he “manned up” to using them when in fact he admitted to using them only after he was outed. He initially said he’d used them only once but when it was said to be more than once he then “manned up” and admitted to another time. And the New York media and Yankee fans forgave him.

  18. cur'68 - Feb 18, 2014 at 4:45 PM

    I wish he (expletive) played (expletive) baseball for my (expletive) boys. He (expletive) mashes. Year (expletive) in. Year (expletive) out. (Expletive) mashes. He comes (expletive) cheap, too. (Expletive) yeah.

    • historiophiliac - Feb 18, 2014 at 10:40 PM

      Such language. It’s like the script for Good Will Hunting around here every time we have an Old Papi post. I guess the script was realistic.

  19. stephenolszewski - Feb 18, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    What Critics?

  20. eagles512 - Feb 18, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    He gets criticized a lot less than just about anyone.

  21. moogro - Feb 18, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Even if Ortiz makes up that phantom critic cabal stuff, his salary figure arguments are sound.

  22. hardkor07mn - Feb 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    Way to keep it classy David. Nicely done D bag

  23. zackd2 - Feb 18, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    Wait, what other DHs are getting 15m+? That’s not the market rate for them

    • zackd2 - Feb 18, 2014 at 9:49 PM

      Also. AJ Burnett’s market has NOTHING to do with a DH. Quality SP is scarce, so even mediocre ones get 10m a season. Mediocre DHs get half of that.

      • chip56 - Feb 18, 2014 at 10:40 PM

        Mediocre DH’s don’t even get that much – if you’re no longer an elite hitter and can’t play a position in the field you get bounced out of the league – ask Jermaine Dye, Johnny Damon and Vladdy.

  24. jollyjoker2 - Feb 18, 2014 at 10:27 PM

    pay the man.. you might not see a world series for another 80 years until another like him comes along. The guy has ice water in his veins come play off time – very, very , very few players have that ability during crunch time — most collapse under the first sight of stress.

  25. 6stn - Feb 18, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    He’s mad about a “Big Papi Smear.”

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