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Reporter calls Ian Kinsler as self-absorbed as A-Rod

Mar 5, 2014, 7:30 AM EDT

Wow, that escalated quickly. Ian Kinsler certainly stepped in it yesterday, but it’s nor more of a faux pas than you see a handful of times a year. A guy talking smack about his old team and old boss. It happens and it usually blows over pretty quickly.

But Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News weighed in on Ian Kinsler in Twitter last night, casting him in more stark terms than one might expect:

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I’ve never spoken to Kinsler and haven’t talked in an in-depth way with anyone who has covered him closely. But man, “too close to call” with A-Rod on the self-absorption scale?

Is the fact that this isn’t a widespread take on Kinsler a function of Fraley having a singular and non-representative view of Kinsler? Of everyone thinking that but, unlike in New York, the Texas press corps not making a big point of reporting that sort of thing all the time? Or is it part of the same dynamic which gives us A-Rod coverage: reporters making character judgments with less-than-perfect information?

Either way, kinda surprising, really.

  1. miketreedy - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:36 AM

    As a Ranger fan looking forward to the Prince Fielder era to begin. The trade is looking better everyday.

    • twelsh36446 - Mar 5, 2014 at 5:23 PM

      lol OK tell us that after mid season is here.

      • tommyg2012 - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

        Fielder is too fat That’s why tigers let him go. He can’t hit.

  2. mtheparrothead - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:38 AM

    As a Tiger fan looking forward to the Prince Fielder era to begin. The trade is looking better everyday.

    • Old Gator - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:45 AM

      Until he boots a grounder, gets booed, and starts crapping on Tigger fans.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

        He has to get booed first. cf Brandon Inge, Don Kelly (sigh)

    • dhar77 - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:10 AM

      You may want Fielder back when Kinsler is getting picked off first and hitting pop-ups to shallow left all the time.

      • tigertails203 - Mar 5, 2014 at 2:54 PM

        Pompous Rangers fans speak of Kinsler they way they did when Hamilton and Wilson abandoned them too. Must be a reason all these guys don’t mind burning their bridges behind them. Something must be rotten in Denmark. (Arlington) Just wait until Fielder goes Oh-for-2-years in the playoffs like he did for Detroit then broods and blames it on his ex-wife and kids. Glad we dumped that load on somebody else.

      • miketreedy - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM

        The pompous Ranger fans were right about Hamilton, Wilson and will be on Kinsler as well. We did wish Napoli had stayed because he was a class act who played hard every game. He got a standing ovation when he came back as a Red Sox last season. Joe Nathan will likely get one as well when he comes back as a Tiger this season.

        Kinsler was a fan favorite for years here. The last two years his numbers dropped big time and he made so many boneheaded plays it would drive you crazy. You will see what I mean soon enough!

    • bendover09 - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:59 AM

      Kinsler
      Average home: 304.

      Average away: 241.

      Looking forward to seeing the comments from Detroit fans as the seasons plays thru. I bet the Rangers get more out of Fielder than Kinsler does to Detroit, thats a bet !

      Also enjoy Kinsler being hurt every season.. given

      JD made Kinsler the highest paid second baseman at one point until a man name Cano that just got paid.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:28 AM

        I don’t anticipate him being a great player, but I’m going to complain about his play — not whine about how I think he’s selfish.

      • bendover09 - Mar 5, 2014 at 12:02 PM

        Kinsler fielding %
        .978 that’s between 11-18 errors a year. Bad thing is, most of these errors are from careless groundballs were barely hit to him. Detroit, you are right . Rangers picked up a clear-headed Fielder whos close friend/teammate slept with his wife during the season & not to mention the ugly divorce. Fielders second at bat bolts a homerun for the Rangers. You are right, you guys got a steal in Kinsler

  3. tfbuckfutter - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:43 AM

    I’m definitely taking the opinion of a guy with Ric Flair as his profile pic seriously.

    Very seriously.

  4. Charles Gates - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:45 AM

    Self absorbed: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the precipitate.

    And this concludes today’s lesson in clubhouse chemistry.

    • cshearing - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:30 AM

      I knew my chemistry degree would come in useful someday!

    • Old Gator - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM

      Kinsler’s situation reminds me more of a colloid. But then, I love dogs that shed uncontrollably.

  5. ryanrockzzz - Mar 5, 2014 at 8:01 AM

    I had mentioned yesterday it was unfair to judge Kinsler based on his comments since everyone is removed from the situation. When press members start ganging up on you though, that’s never a good sign for your image. Ian Kinsler the douche…surprising.

    • tcb2nyc - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:32 PM

      As a Rangers fan, this view of Kinsler is not surprising to me. Gerry Fraley is a very well respected guy who I don’t think has come down on anyone before. If he said it, I believe it.

      He will tank just like the other players to leave the team such as CJ and Josh.

  6. Kevin S. - Mar 5, 2014 at 8:07 AM

    Now wait a second, that’s a bit unfair to A-Rod, don’t you think?

    • tfbuckfutter - Mar 5, 2014 at 8:45 AM

      We’re not having ANY MORE discussions about what is and isn’t fair to A-Rod.

      This guy’s comment, while it may seem excessive, was in the best interest of baseball.

    • zzalapski - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM

      As far as I know, A-Rod never crapped in a national publication about switching positions, his GM, or how he wishes his former team a winless season.

      • doctornature - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:32 AM

        Of course Arod didn’t have time for that. He was too busy telling lies to the National Press Corps,, arranging his PED scheduling intake, boinking Madonna and various strippers, kissing himself in the mirror, trying to impress Jeter, and going on TV during the WS to announce he was opting out of his contract so he could barrenness MLB for an additional 10 years, by continuing to use PEDs and associate with sleazeballs like Bosch.

        How in the world could he make additional time in his busy schedule to add additional chores?

      • tfbuckfutter - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:54 AM

        A-Rod didn’t have to wish a winless season on the Rangers after he left…. That’s barely fewer games than they won while he was there.

      • anxovies - Mar 5, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        doctornature: That’s just terrible about Arod. And I hear he is best friends with Putin and flosses after every meal. What a self-absorbed douche bag.

  7. georgewashingtonsghost - Mar 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM

    I think reporters make way too much out of ball players’ personalities. I can understand why it would be frustrating for writers who have to deal with difficult players, but as a fan, I don’t really care if Ian Kinsler is self-absorbed. I just want him to play well on the field.

    • karlkolchak - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:57 AM

      YOU may not care (full disclosure: I don’t either, particularly) but plenty of fans do care. And when a star player’s public image becomes too toxic he loses his marketability. These guys get paid the big bucks in part because they are living, breathing advertisements for their teams. All it takes is for some Detroit fans to think, “hey, I was going to buy a jersey with that Kinsler’s guy’s name on it, but he seems like big jerk so I think I’ll save my money instead.”

      • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:20 AM

        Yes, that is why no one ever bought Roger Clemens’ jersey. Hello, people still wanted to buy things from Curt Schilling’s garage sale…and don’t get me started on Pete Rose’s fanboys.

      • karlkolchak - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM

        Can’t argue with the “there are always people who relish the jerks” argument. But are they a bigger group than than the “up with people” crowd that have come to dominate the fanbase at most ballparks? I’ll bet the number of A-Rod jerseys sold last year were well below what his name could move in his prime.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:34 AM

        That’s probably true, but he also got suspended and was under investigation and injured last season. If he’d still been delivering, they’d still be buying.

    • paperlions - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:26 AM

      This is completely true, but a player’s personality is part of the context of the comments. You can tell Kinsler is self-centered and possibly self-absorbed by his focus on events. He didn’t care about the effect of Young being traded with respect to anything other than how it affected him personally. He didn’t care about Young leaving, he didn’t care about the effect on the field…he cared about the expectation that he would have to be a leader and be a more involved team mate. The focus on the effects on himself as well as the unwillingness to do something that will help team mates and the team (rather than just himself), both indicate that he’s self-centered.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:31 AM

        See what I said yesterday about leadership Also, self-centered = human.

      • paperlions - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:37 AM

        To some degree, yeah, but there are huge gradients in self-centeredness and self awareness among humans. There is an acceptable base level of being self-centered, but no one likes people that are so self-centered so as to be parasites on a social group (taking the benefits without creating benefits for others).

      • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:47 AM

        I don’t see him as taking benefits without creating any. I think the poster below is correct. People use this as an excuse to hate on players they dislike. If he was producing well for them, Rangers fans wouldn’t give a crap about his attitude. You know Texans. Humility and giving is not big there. They’re just mad that he didn’t produce more for them and they wrap it in some judgy morality/character flaw BS. The fact is that he was not the worst player on their team by any stretch of the imagination and Fielder will not single-handedly turn them into winners (and don’t hold your breath on him being a great team leader either). Kinsler wasn’t great but he wasn’t so bad he deserves this level of hating re: his personality. I don’t even like the guy, but dang if it isn’t getting all mean boys in here.

      • anxovies - Mar 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM

        Kind of extreme to pin psychological labels on somebody based upon press releases and tweets, don’t you think?

  8. dcarroll73 - Mar 5, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    So let me get these rules straight – it is OK for a reporter to talk smack against a formerly local player, but it is VERY, VERY bad for such a player to do so against his former team? Is that how the beloved “unwritten rules” would be written?

    • Old Gator - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM

      This has nothing to do with baseball’s unwritten rules. It has everything to do with spawrtsriters’ exaggerated sense of entitlement.

      • bigharold - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        So it’s the writers that are self absorbed?? I thought it was the players? Maybe, the players are self absorbed and the writers are entitled?

        I’m confused. When does the season start?

      • Old Gator - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM

        Spawrtriters self absorbed? Naaaaaahhhhhh…..but don’t worry. Only 26 more days to go until the season starts (in the northern hemisphere, anyhow). Clarity will descend upon you like a goopher dust.

    • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM

      Baseball Town: Want a Championship, Hate the Players

  9. deathmonkey41 - Mar 5, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    LEAVE A-ROD ALONE!!!

    • Old Gator - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:35 AM

      I would, if I could find him.

  10. psousa1 - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:08 AM

    Isn’t Kinsler the guy who carried his grudge against Dustin Pedroia all the way to MLB all because Pedroia beat him out for SS in college? Then Kinsler transferred and apparently has held it against Pedroia ever since. Kinsler will probably hit again but this guy has future first baseman written all over him. Good thing the Tigers have a lot of strikeout pitchers because if they had more sinkerballer types who pitch to contact they would be pulling their hair out with this guy at 2B.

  11. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    Perhaps if Kinsler was anywhere near as good of a baseball player people would have noticed his self-absorbtion (self-absorbedness?) earlier.

    Reggie was probably more self-absorbed than either of these guys. Namath, definitely. Yet, some are loved and others are hated. It is almost as if being self-absorbed, in and of itself, is not what people hate but is used as a justification when people irrationally hate a player to begin with.

    • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM

      Yes!

    • raysfan1 - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM

      Just me, but I disliked both Reggie Jackson and Joe Namath. Kindler? Meh, not exactly new that a player feels somehow disrespected by a former team, or even griping publicly about it.

      He just forgot the “bless his heart” part. “Jon Daniels is a sleaze ball, bless his heart.” “I hope they go 0-162, bless their hearts.”

      • raysfan1 - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:22 AM

        Kinsler. Yeah, I should proofread better.

  12. tedwmoore - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:42 AM

    Kinsler acted a bit like a child with his comments, but it is preposterous how many here gang up on him for not wanting to give up 2B for a rookie. I get that it probably improves the team, but these are competitive men who operate in an environment where service time and proving yourself on the field are almost sacrosanct, so from Kinsler’s perspective it might look something like this: Texas created a crunch in their middle infield that they refused to resolve via trade, and then ask Kinsler to move off 2B for a rookie whose natural position is SS. I get that it is a team sport and that refusing to move usually looks bad, but the front office could have handled that much better, and it is not difficult to understand Kinsler’s bruised ego. His comments might be silly and churlish, but his emotions should not be so terribly difficult to understand.

    • dbldmr - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM

      Of course, when Kinsler came up the Rangers got rid of Soriano (who wouldn’t move to the outfield) to free up second base for him.

  13. nymets4ever - Mar 5, 2014 at 9:48 AM

    Do you really think a world-class athlete like Ian Kinsler really cares what some ugly, pencil-necked reporter with a Ric Flair avatar is Tweeting about him?

    • Old Gator - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM

      Yep – just like a world-classless spleen on a chassis like you gets hysterical over nothing on a routine basis.

  14. shawnuel - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    Considering the complaints and refusal to move from 2B, it should come as no surprise that the guy in the Ranger’s clubhouse that Kinsler most looked up to was Michael Young.

    • Old Gator - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:20 AM

      I don’t know much about what goes on inside the Rangers clubhouse, except for prayer meetings – which is enough of a reason for me not to want to know much about whatever else goes on in there. Ergo, I wonder what the source is for your information about Kinsler looking up to Michael Young. Seriously. Do you ackcherley think such dynamics really matter?

  15. kelshannon19 - Mar 5, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    Doesn’t it seem like every player who leaves that organization comes out hating it? Maybe these guys aren’t A-holes and they’re right.

  16. spursareold - Mar 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    I don’t really care if I love Kinsler or hate him. The fact is that offloading Prince’s fat contract (and physique) allows us to have more years of Max Scherzer. If putting up with a passable, yet obnoxious 2B facilitates that, so be it.

  17. markfrednubble - Mar 5, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Interesting that no one is talking about the reporter here, Fraley. I have no dog in this race, but as I recall there was quite a public drama last year over the Nolan Ryan vs. Jon Daniels thing. The way those things play out, writers often privately take a side in order to gain more access in exchange for occasionally reporting the party line. Guessing Ryan has his friends in the Dallas media and so does Daniels.

    Is it possible that Kinsler’s comments infuriated Daniels, he turned to a reporter he knows is in his pocket, and Fraley put out the word than Kinsler is the most self-absorbed player he’s covered.

    No doubt Kinsler is a jerk, but Fraley’s strong Tweet smells like indirect fire from inside the Rangers’ front office.

  18. mrpinkca - Mar 5, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    What’s amazing is how Kinsler’s remarks are not even close to being the douchiest thing a former Ranger has done to a Ranger during spring training.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/19/not-cool-c-j-wilson-tweets-mike-napolis-cell-phone-number/

  19. campcouch - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    I’m a fan of neither,I just like trolling:

    World Series Titles- Detroit (4), Texas (0).

  20. xjokerz - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    You took a small convo on twitter and turned it into a full blown article for yourself. Good reporting. Maybe go scam Facebook for random comments to push your agenda

  21. xjokerz - Mar 5, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    On a side note. I’d much rather have kinsler than fielders fat unproductive ass. Enjoy that fat lard, ranger fans

  22. grim7839 - Mar 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM

    Kinslers a jerk for sure but on the arod level?thats just silly!!!!only guys on arod level are clemens and bonds!!!must be a roid thing

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