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Quote of the Day: Red Sox owner John Henry delivers a zinger about the Marlins

Mar 8, 2014, 5:25 PM EDT

You may recall that the Marlins were reportedly “outraged” at the Red Sox for sending a substandard lineup to Thursday’s Grapefruit League game at Roger Dean Stadium. Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington has since apologized for the incident, but owner John Henry thinks the Marlins should issue an apology of their own:

Oh snap. In truth, many folks on Twitter had the very same reaction when this story first came out, but it’s still unexpected to see this from Henry. Easy target, but well played.

This stings a bit more for Marlins fans because Henry owned the team from 1999-2002. He eventually sold it to then Montreal Expos owner Jeffrey Loria as part of a multi-franchise deal that paved the way for him to purchase the Red Sox along with Tom Werner and the New York Times Company.

  1. timmons94 - Mar 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Lol……. Amen amen amen

    • jeffbbf - Mar 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM

      Remember when Kevin Millar (then at AAA) was quoted that the Marlins’ AAA team – in a 7 game series with the MLB team – would take them in 6?

  2. sabatimus - Mar 8, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    Precisely.

  3. sixchr - Mar 8, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Someone should let John know he’s a couple days late.

  4. pastabelly - Mar 8, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    Ha! Henry used to own the Marlins.

    • tfbuckfutter - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:20 PM

      Henry just owned the Marlins with that comment.

  5. 18thstreet - Mar 8, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    If this hurts the chances of the Red Sox trading for Stanton, I’m not happy about it. Business deals have been scuttled for less.

    • js20011041 - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM

      Short of putting Bogaerts in a deal for Stanton, which they won’t and shouldnt do, do, the Red Sox don’t have the top level talent to make a deal for him anyway.

      • 18thstreet - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:44 PM

        I have no idea what you’re talking about. Pretty much every ranking system has the Red Sox minor system in the top 5 or so. They could surely create a pile out of pitchers (as long as that pile included Henry Owens), and make sure to include a couple major-league talents (Middlebrooks and Doubront) who can contribute right now and offer value for Stanton. They value depth, so they’re no doing it. But they obviously have enough to offer for Stanton, even without including Xander.

      • js20011041 - Mar 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM

        Yes, the Red Sox have a very good system. What they don’t have however, is a top prospect that they could include in a deal for Stanton. They’re not trading Bogaerts. Who else do they have that is a top talent? Bradley Jr is a B level prospect. Owens has mid rotation potential. Barnes is a good but not great prospect. Swihart has a chance to be a very good player, but he’s also a catcher in A ball. If you want to argue that the Marlins would accept a package of several mid level prospects, ok. But Stanton is one of the premier power hitters in baseball. He’s also still incredibly young. I wouldn’t expect the Marlins to trade him without getting a top 10 prospect in baseball as part of a package. Think pre-injury Miguel Sano, or Oscar Tavares. That’s something the Red Sox simply do not have available to trade.

    • aceshigh11 - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:11 PM

      Interesting thought.

      It was a great burn on Henry’s part, but I don’t know if it’s a good idea for an owner of a team that just won the World Series to punch down like that.

      • stlouis1baseball - Mar 10, 2014 at 11:42 AM

        Wait…John Henry was punching the clown?

  6. chill1184 - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    Henry should also say that Selig should apologize to allow Loria and Wilpon along with some other owners to continue to own teams.

  7. ez4u2sa - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    Way to go Big John! Marlins have nothing the Sox need and that includes Stanton.

    • nymets4ever - Mar 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM

      There’s this guy named Jose Fernandez

  8. karlkolchak - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    It really says a lot about how much Loria is hated when his fellow billionaire owners rip him publicly like that.

  9. timmons94 - Mar 8, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    Aces. That crook loria who destroyed baseball in Montreal. Robbed tax payers of Miami out of millions of dollars. Deserves a lot more than this zinger

    • aceshigh11 - Mar 8, 2014 at 7:40 PM

      I agree 100% that Loria deserves it, but NOT from the owner of the Red Sox.

      I’m just looking at it from a matter of politics. Just let your team’s play speak for itself.

      • chill1184 - Mar 8, 2014 at 7:59 PM

        Why can’t Henry slam the Marlins when the Marlins (whether it came from Loria or one of his executives) where the ones who took the cheap shot in the first place?

        I wish more owners would slam both Loria and Wilpon (I know that they wont because it would hurt them) it actually might force Selig to do something (wishful thinking I know)

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Mar 8, 2014 at 8:11 PM

        Agreed. If owners are going to reprimand Loria, I don’t think Twitter is the place to do it.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

        But, he’s not really slamming Loria. He’s slamming the players.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 8, 2014 at 9:58 PM

        He’s slamming Loria for not even trying to put out a competent team.

      • aceshigh11 - Mar 8, 2014 at 11:04 PM

        Doesn’t it seem a little low-class to attack the Marlins like that?

        I’m a Red Sox fan and I have NO respect for Loria, but it just comes off as mean-spirited and bullying to me.

        Henry’s team is one of the richest in baseball and just won the World Series. He could’ve just let this slide and let his great team do the talking rather than acting like a bratty tween girl on Twitter.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 8, 2014 at 10:51 PM

        Which is the same as saying their team sucks (aside from whose fault it is that they are a team) — I can’t say that I think it’s very smooth to insult other teams/players.

  10. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Mar 8, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    While it is gratifying to read bloggers slamming the Marlins, is this really appropriate for an MLB team owner? All I hear when I read this is a doofy Ashton Kutcher voice bellowing “Burn” which is admittedly somewhat funny, but does not exude leadership or professionalism.

    Time to put on your grown-up pants, John-John.

  11. cmtill14 - Mar 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    LOLZ…

    It’s funny because their lineup is like a Triple A ballclub. Maybe.

  12. randygnyc - Mar 8, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    I hate the sox, but simply stated, I can’t find anything wrong with Henry’s comment. Loria is a criminal. That he’s not suffering from rectal cancer is proof that karma is a quaint fallacy.

    • Old Gator - Mar 9, 2014 at 1:58 PM

      You’re a pretty emotional guy, Randy. Watch out for karma! Wishing an aggravated case of really bad chronic hemorrhoids should do the trick as far as schadenfreude, and keep you out of samsaric trouble.

  13. disgracedfury - Mar 8, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    Yeah I remember when Henry owned the Marlins and stole the Red Sox from under Joe O’Donnell in a back door deal with Bud Selig.Funny they aren’t Evil though.

    I love how the Red Sox pretend to be a innocent small market team when there just the Yankees who wear Red.Since 2004 when to break the curse they acted like the Yankees for the first time and have since that very year.Big contracts,Big salaries,trading prospects and as many PED users(Manny and Ortiz)

    • chill1184 - Mar 8, 2014 at 10:32 PM

      Where do you get this attitude that the Red Sox pretend to be a small market team? Boston has always been viewed as a big market club

      • Tim L. - Mar 8, 2014 at 11:00 PM

        I want to preface this by saying that I find the way the Yankees spend to be disgusting (same with the Dodgers). But I also think they spend stupidly, so the competitive advantage isn’t really there.

        Larry Lucchino and John Henry have never said the Red Sox are small market, per se. What they have done, routinely, since taking over the Red Sox in the crookedest deal in baseball history (mainly because it screwed Montreal and Miami forever, apparently and was clearly the back-slappingest deal in baseball history), is claim that they are under very strict financial resources and are at a huge disadvantage just like every other team in baseball. They repeatedly call for salary caps, which is laughable because a) the Red Sox are a money printing press and limiting payroll would certainly fatten their own already-fat pockets at the expense of the players on the field and b) they spend like a drunken gambler who’s only slightly less drunk than the guy next to him at the table. Oh also there’s a trend as to WHEN they publicly complain.

        After the Yankees sign Tanaka:

        “[The Yankees are] a different flavor of ice cream than anyone else in baseball. The Dodgers are now using that same game plan, I suppose, certainly more so than anyone else in baseball.” Larry Lucchino, 1/14

        “They don’t want to win any more than we do. They’re just not as concerned about reasonable spending as we are.” Lucchino 1/14

        After the Yankees sign Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira

        “I think there are 29 teams that exist within a certain band, and there has been, in the last several years, one outlier that has been much higher. The outliers both at the top and the bottom would be most severely affected by a payroll zone, which I think his a better term than a salary cap. A payroll zone where all teams would have to be somewhere within a payroll zone. But again, that’s being addressed at the highest level by baseball and its labor negotiators. I just want to reiterate what John said. An enlightened form of a salary cap would have the Red Sox support.” Lucchino 2/09

        “I think we all agree that competitive balance is an issue and if there was a way to put together an enlightened form of a salary cap, I think everybody among the ownership parties would support it. I think it’s quite possible to put together a partnership between the players and owners going forward, I think it’s something that should be at least explored… to deal with a team that has gone so insanely far beyond the resources of all the other teams.” John Henry 2/09

        After the Yankees trade for A-rod

        “Although I have never previously been an advocate of a salary cap in baseball out of respect for the players, there is really no other fair way to deal with a team that has gone so insanely far beyond the resources of all the other teams.” Henry 2/04

    • aceshigh11 - Mar 8, 2014 at 11:15 PM

      The Red Sox do NOT portray themselves as an “innocent small market team”…where do you get that from?

      What the Red Sox and their fans HAVE in the past portrayed them as are an underdog team, because that was generally true pre-2004. That’s what happens when you go 86 years without a World Series win, with several heartbreakingly close calls along the way.

      Henry and the new ownership did what was necessary to make the Red Sox a competitive team in the AL East by beating the Yankees at their own game. As Ric Flair said, “To be the Man, you’ve got to beat the Man.”

      So the Red Sox are certainly not underdogs anymore…and ironically, I think there are a fair number of Sox fans who actually preferred it when the team was in perpetual misery and they could go around complaining about their bad luck.

      I think it’s a New England thing.

  14. Old Gator - Mar 8, 2014 at 10:57 PM

    I was out enjoying a concert by the legendary Spider John Koerner at the world famous Luna Star Cafe tonight and so missed this delicious little episode.

    Much as I agree with his tweet, Henry would do well to remember that Scrooge McLoria is really the ugly baby he left by the firehouse door in 1992 pinned to a note that said “eat this, Florida politicians,” all grown up now and come back to plague his daddy.

  15. Jack Marshall - Mar 9, 2014 at 12:51 AM

    How does the fact that the Marlins are stiffing their fans justify the Red Sox violating the rules and stiffing Marlins spring training ticket buyers? The two issues are completely unrelated. So the logic is that you can ignore the rules if your opposition is a badly run team? “Yeah, well you suck!” isn’t a justification or an excuse…it’s a deflection. And everyone thinks this response by Henry is a zinger?

    Wow.

    • Old Gator - Mar 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM

      Put yourself in Scrooge McLoria’s position. If it sounds like a zinger, and stings like a zinger, and feels like a zinger, yep, it’s a zinger alright.

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