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I guess Phillies fans do need to be told when to make some noise

Apr 15, 2014, 9:20 AM EDT

I really don’t mean to dish it out too much to Phillies fans today. I just take things as they come. Like this stuff from last night:

Yep, I remember it well:

Cliff Lee gave his introductory news conference with the Phillies earlier this afternoon (see the video below).  There were a few notable quotes from Lee. One was about how Philly fans are great because “they don’t need a teleprompter to tell them too cheer.” 

From what I’m told, the Phillies have always had “let’s make noise!” messages on their scoreboard, actually. But I also remember that back in the salad days of the four aces that Phillies fans fancied themselves a different, more loyal, more passionate and rarer breed than anyone else and accepted those comments from Lee uncritically and, in many cases, as an earned compliment.

  1. chill1184 - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    Man Craig you are having a field day today aren’t you?

    • twenty1miles - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:35 AM

      Word for word, I was just about to comment this.

    • thomas844 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:17 PM

      Now all he needs is another story about race and his day will be complete.

  2. faccda01 - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:31 AM

    How is this allowed to be published? As far as I can tell, this article has no point.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM

      You’re new around here, aren’t you.

      • thesixersbench - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:42 AM

        “You’re new around here, aren’t you.” – every Braves fan at Turner Field.

      • Bob Loblaw - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:28 PM

        Especially come playoff time…

      • jake6881 - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:08 PM

        Who is your favorite team? What city are you from? I need to know this from the man who right this type of article about any fan base. You seem desperate for attention from where I am sitting….

      • Utley's Hair - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM

        The very same thing could be said of just about any blogger, dontcha think? As well as commenters on those blogs, really.

      • Utley's Hair - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:21 PM

        But I will also add that Craig makes no bones about stating his Barves fanboy status, all the way from Ohio…which, added to his former occupation as a lawyer, gives him three strikes for his judgment. But it’s Cowboy Joe behind the plate, so there’s that, too….

      • jake6881 - Apr 15, 2014 at 7:33 PM

        Your a punk! Plain and simple. I want you to say these negitive things directly to Phillies fans face to face. You started your day by dedicating an article to the Phillies fan base? Huh? I would love to have a one on one conversation with you about this subject on a public forum Mr lawyer. You can point out negative from a situation, from a certain situation regarding a incident that may have happened but don’t lump a entire fan base together with just the negitive. That my lawyer buddy is irresponsible! Thats like saying all braves fans are front runners, some are, most are die yards! You get the point. You think you are better then entire fan base, that’s sad!

    • 18thstreet - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

      “Allowed to be published?” WHAT?!

      Yes, why is the Ohio Department of Speech not shutting this blog down? Why, indeed?

  3. mdpickles - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    Sigh, it’s still only April. Craig can keep this up all season.

    • nbjays - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:57 AM

      Wanna play betcha?

  4. thesixersbench - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    I need to learn more about Craig’s weird fetish with Phillies fans.

    Was the trauma caused by:

    – A scorned lover who pulled for the Phils?

    – The old angry alcoholic Phillies fan step-dad?

    – Finding a Phillies branded ‘device’ in mom’s dresser?

    – Pat Burrell? ( “…you might if I go in the bathroom and finish myself off?” is one of the all-time great lines )

    • thesixersbench - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:38 AM

      *Mind dare I.

    • nbjays - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:59 AM

      Actually, none of the above. Craig has just learned (as have most of us) that Phillies Phans are eminently trollable and that said trolling is just good clean fun.

      • thesixersbench - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:05 AM

        Aw, c’mon. That was a decent post, it deserved a better alley-oop follow-up. Of course it’s good-natured trolling (which, for the record, I love).

  5. beefytrout - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Ah yes, the good old days of Cliff Lee throwing Rangers fans under the bus. Good times.

    • yahmule - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:22 AM

      I love this website.

  6. rjmarrella - Apr 15, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    Always had those graphics. Stop it Craig. It make you look sophomoric.

  7. megary - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    I remember back in your salad days when you fancied yourself a legitimate baseball writer.

    Oh well.

  8. Francisco (FC) - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    My Phellow Phans never learn. Keep reacting and he’ll keep posting. Though the Braves fan bit was funny (if exaggerated).

  9. summeroftony - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Craig you are like a child with this.. it’s really getting ridiculous. We get it man.. you don’t like the Phillies.. You think it’s funny to troll Phillies fans. I really enjoy reading everything else you write on here but it’s getting to the point where I’m thinking of removing this app from my phone. Get over it dude.

    • Jeremy T - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM

      I dunno, sometimes it feels to me like Phillies fans troll themselves just by rooting for the Phillies

      • thesixersbench - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:51 AM

        This era has been glorious, my friend. I regret nothing. All golden ages must eventually come to an end.

    • thebadguyswon - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:20 AM

      Whoa!! App removal has been threatened, Craig.

      Corrective measures must be taken!!

      • summeroftony - Apr 15, 2014 at 4:15 PM


    • 18thstreet - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM

      Just to be clear: everyone loves trolling Phillies fans. Craig just mastered it.

      • cur'68 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

        I might have to swear off Phan Baiting. These people are suffering.

      • Bob Loblaw - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:30 PM

        Craig is, was, and always will be the Master-Baiter when it comes to Phillies fans.

  10. kyzslew77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    I live in DC. It’s funny–you don’t see nearly as many Phillies phans around here as you did three or four years ago. I mean, they used to be everywhere (both at Nats-Phillies games, and generally around town), wearing their gear, smugly telling anyone who asked that they were fans of the best team in baseball. What happened? Where did they all go? I just don’t get it.

    • Francisco (FC) - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:01 AM

      My guess is they went back into the same place all those Gnats fans were hiding in when they came out of hibernation a couple of years ago.

      • kyzslew77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:04 PM

        Yeah, the difference is, the casual Nats fans that weren’t around in 2005-2011 at least had a plausible reason for not being around (team was brand new). We’ll see where they go when the Nats hit some rough years. (I’m not one of them, I just happen to live here.) The casual Phillies fans who showed up from 2007-2011 are just garden variety fair weather fans. We know what happens to them once the Phillies have some down years–they’re gone like the wind.

        Oh, there’s one other difference: casual Nats fans are kind of uninformed about baseball but decent people, while casual Phillies fans are insufferable jagoffs.

      • Utley's Hair - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

        What was never really addressed was how the Gnats organization would beg for Phans to come down to see the Phightins play, since the Gnats would never sell out the stadium unless that actually happened. So blame the Gnat front office for that.

      • kyzslew77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:38 PM

        This was true prior to 2012. I’ll give you that one.

    • schmedley69 - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:35 PM

      The Philly media made a big deal about the Phillies only drawing 25,000 to a weekday game last week, but then I saw that the Nats only drew 22,000 on the same night. So even when the Phillies are at their low ebb, and the Nats are at their supposed apex, the Phillies still outdraw the Nats. Perspective.

      • 18thstreet - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:46 PM

        Maybe the tickets are priced wrong.

        Last night, the Orioles drew 20 people (note: they drew more than 20 people) to a game against the Rays. The weather was lovely, the opponent is a good one. The Orioles are pretty good, too. Basic economics tells me that the tickets are too expensive.

      • kyzslew77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:41 PM

        DC is a smaller city, full of transient fans (like me) who don’t really get into the local teams because we showed up with our own teams. (PERSPECTIVE.) And I’ve never heard a Nats fan express a fraction of the arrogance that Phillies fans had after 2008. Maybe that’s because the Nats have never won a World Series, but the debate isn’t “who can draw more to the stadium.” The debate is “who’s more fairweather” and so far the Phillies are doing a great job making the case that it’s them. When the Nats are bad in 4-5 years or whenever, we’ll see how their fans deal with it.

      • schmedley69 - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:53 PM

        So Nats fans aren’t fairweather, they are just consistently lame. Got it. Thanks for straightening me out.

        I happen to live near D.C., so I can attest your assertion that D.C. is a bad sports town full of transients.

      • kyzslew77 - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:25 PM

        Sweet burn, but my point stands: many Phillies fans (and practically all casual Phillies fans) are terrible people who should be put in a rocket and shot into space. I just wish the casual ones wouldn’t stop being fans anytime their team wins fewer than 90 games. Makes it harder to identify the worst people at the bar/party/wherever without first talking to them.

  11. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Just because they HAVE them does not mean they NEED them. Two posts ago, I believe it was proven through video evidence that Phillies fans know when to cheer/taunt, and know when to sit down and STFU. Let’s all go back and watch that again, 8 or 9 times.

  12. eagles512 - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    At least there’s people there to read it, unlike Atlanta.

  13. Detroit Michael - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Cliff Lee had it right. Phillies fans don’t need a teleprompter to tell them when to cheer. Left unsaid was that none of the MLB fan bases need a teleprompter or scoreboard messages to tell them when to cheer either. Only the people who operate those scoreboards and some hepped-up front office executives think we need those scoreboard messages. Nothing wrong with letting fans decide on their own when making noise is appropriate or not.

  14. toodrunktotastethischicken - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    A lot of the fans that get butt hurt about these comments are the same fans that are getting wasted in K Lot across from CBP before the game and started becoming a fan of baseball during the Phillies’ best stretch from 07-’11. So in a way they’ve been spoiled, in the sense that they’re only used to the constantly winning Philadelphia baseball team.

  15. seanwasamarine - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    Most ballparks do that you idiot…Cool story bro

  16. citynative - Apr 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Good Question: Where did all the Phillies fans go? Three years ago it was smugness, four aces, and “best fans in baseball.” Could Philly be, dare we say, fair weather? Oops pardon me, phair weather.

    • Francisco (FC) - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:02 AM

      What you talkin’ about man? I’m still here! As are all my bros, right guys? guys? (turns head around). Where’d they go?

      • CJ - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        I’m here, but it’s more…support the team in their sucktitude, hope ownership gets that RAJ needs to go before he trades a bunch of prospects away for a 75 YO corner OF in a hovaround with a high K rate.

        Kind of like the supporting the Sixers, only they owned it. The Phillies FO remains delusional.

      • Utley's Hair - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM

        Wait…huh…? I thought I heard my name…. I guess I’ll go back to having more of a life than hanging around HBT….

    • kellyb9 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:14 AM

      Eh, I’m still a fan. Despite my early negativity, I actually don’t think this team is all that bad. I expected far worse. Offensively, they seem to be able to put up runs, starting pitching has been pretty good too. If their bullpen didn’t completely blow, they’d probably have a pretty good record right now.

    • Bob Loblaw - Apr 15, 2014 at 12:34 PM

      We’re here, but what do you want us to do? Post that we suck every day? It is what it is. When they are good, we post more. When they suck, we lurk. And wait for Craig to master-bait us into submission…wait, what?

  17. orangandblack - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    Was sportstalk hacked by some Mets fan? What’s going on here? How does this crap get posted? I need credentials, this is a joke

  18. thefacts121 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Turner Field could consider putting a helpful message on the scoreboard along the lines of “please don’t throw so much garbage on the field that we need to stop playoff games mid-inning.” The dozens of fans in attendance could use the reminder.

  19. ae02437 - Apr 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    Red Sox fans, if I’m not mistaken, are the only team that is not requested to “MAKE SOME NOISE,” “GET LOUD,” or get “ON YOUR FEET!”

    I’ve seen that at ever other park I’ve been to, but not Fenway.

  20. blockedshotnyr - Apr 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    This post reminds me of the Clubber Lang quote: “I reject the challenge because Balboa is no challenge but I’ll be more than happy to beat up on him some more.”

    As in, “I am not trying to beat up on Philly fans, but I’ll be more than happy to beat up on them some more.”

  21. stupidusername - Apr 15, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Being awful douchey about one win

  22. ninozlatino - Apr 15, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    so what. we won’t cheer for a bad product. who cares. we do.
    that’s why we don’t cheer. that’s why attendance is 24 thousand. not 40000. so what we aren’t some mindless sheep. and until nats became relevant ur fanbase didn’t exist. that’s why the braves swept ur butts.

  23. ninozlatino - Apr 15, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    kyleslwe77 or whatever ur team will b second place again. congratulations on bein the first place losers. Our Eagles are gonna own that a$$ twice this year.

  24. dlloyd50 - Apr 16, 2014 at 7:00 PM

    Have you actually ever ATTENDED a game in Philadelphia. Mmmmm, let’s see, I’ve been attending on average 10-15 games a year since they played in CONNIE MACK (and since you’re an idiot, they played there in the 50’s & 60’s).. And believe me, I know, fans in Philly don’t need no stupid message to know when to get loud.

    You sir, are a complete idiot. Did I just say idiot? Oh, I meant to say IDIOT!!!!!

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