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Apr 21, 2014, 2:00 PM EDT

I was bored a little while ago so I decided to tweet a series of things about how I doubt “Game of Thrones” would appeal to me based on what I’ve heard people say about it. It went like this:

Then Aaron swoops in:

The man has a damn good point.

  1. baseballici0us - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    HA! I’d like to nominate that for “Burn of the Year.”

  2. mensad - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    Craig, you may need this:

  3. voteforno6 - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    That, and Dan Uggla playing second base.

  4. cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    Ah, Game of Thrones. I tried to like it. But, in the end, it was a soap opera. It might appeal to people who’s lives aren’t very interesting or who need a fantasy life to get by, but, while I liked things and personalities in it, I couldn’t keep watching it. In the end I was pleased with it for the Peter Dinklage character and the way he portrays him, but, ultimately, too much soap opera.

    Now, I suffer my way through a Beaver Men season yearly, so you’d think I’d be numb to soap operas and appreciate the naked and comely wenches to go along with all the agony and tears, but nope. Even zombies and dragons can’t seem to get me interested. Too much faux drama. I get enough drama. I want to see life and limb risked I’ll go hang around the beach and watch the tourists swim in the same surf I’ve seen guys hauling in 8-10 foot sharks.

    • scatterbrian - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:39 PM

      “It might appeal to people who’s lives aren’t very interesting or who need a fantasy life to get by…”

      Seriously, that’s your attitude? Maybe it’s just that people have different tastes than you. I’ve never seen an episode of the show but I’m not going to deny that it appeals to a ton of people.

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:46 PM

        Yep. That’s my attitude. That’s what I got after actually watching almost 3 seasons of it. So there it is: I saw it & you didn’t. Therefore MY opinion is informed and YOURS is not.

        I don’t deny that it might appeal to a lot of people. A lot of people aren’t me, so there it is. I could be wrong, and appreciation of the show has more to do characterization, neat story lines (and it does have those) and really good sci-fi/fantasy (once again; really good). BUT it had a way being a total drama fest, too. Angst ridden. Over wrought hand wringing. Improbably bizarre plot twists.

        I lost patience with it. Others might not. But you’d need a higher tolerance for faux drama than I have.

      • scatterbrian - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:55 PM

        Whether or not I’ve watched the show is irrelevant. YOUR opinion doesn’t need to be accompanied with snide comments about people who like something you don’t.

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:41 PM

        Snide? Let me re-read that….ok, sure. Your point, then. I could be interpreted as being snide about the show and those that like it. I do say that I like things about it, though, so I’m including me in it. But still, guilty as charged.

        Of course now I’ll be expecting your firm and emphatic response to some of the OTHER snide and miserable comments we see around the old blog now, since you’re so free to dish at me.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM

        To review: scatterbrian objects to cur’s disrespect to other viewers and his violation of the unwritten rules of polite online commenting. cur responded, and there was jawing back and forth. Thankfully, however, the incident passed and there was no bench-clearing or low blows. We didn’t even have to call in the BP to stand around and look tough, and Crew Chief Craig didn’t have to eject anyone. Mostly, it was some chest-puffing and then we just moved along…just a little of the human element there.

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:38 PM

        Chest puffing? CHEST PUFFING!!!???

        /throws helmet, waits for teammates to hold me back…

      • scatterbrian - Apr 22, 2014 at 8:55 PM

        Saying that the show might appeal to people who’s lives are uninteresting feels pretty snide to me.

        Reading your other comments, I get where you’re coming from. In my opinion all fiction is an escape from reality, and certainly not limited to people with less than interesting lives.

    • spudchukar - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:00 PM

      In all honesty Cur, you could just as well be describing Shakespeare.

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:02 PM

        In all honesty I feel the same way about Shakespeare. Some really, really great writing. WAY too much damn drama.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:06 PM

        I thought people just watched it for the cable nudity.

      • NatsLady - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:30 PM

        THere’s nude Shakespeare on cable?

      • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:34 PM

        I would not know.

        /clears browser history

      • bigharold - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:41 PM


        I get you to a point. Initially. I didn’t watch the Sopranos because from what i heard it was doing more to promote gangster lifestyle than anything else. But after I watched a few episodes you see the production values, writing and acting. Also it was a contemporary setting. But, Is it your contention that the drama/adventure series has too much drama/adventure? I can appreciate one not taking to the series for various reasons. This series almost lost me with the dragons and zombies stuff but over all it’s an interesting story with unexpected plot twist and good production and writing.

        To each his own for sure but your characterization that one can only appreciate it if there is something lacking in their life’s is where you go of the rails.

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:56 PM

        BigH: You know, if I had a chance to edit it now, I might tone that comment down. I seem to have irked people more than I like. The show’s got a lot going for it, just as you say. But, after watching so much of it and TRYING to like it, I was seriously left with that impression; it would appeal to people who need to escape from reality. This is NOT that big a criticism in and of itself. Hell, that’s everybody at a baseball game, if you ask me. But, for me, there was WAY too much belief to suspend to really like it and to get into it. I found myself looking at the clock, fast forwarding through dialogue, re-watching other stuff that I liked instead of GOT, the lot. Hey, my opinion is merely that: opinion.

      • Reflex - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM

        The problem with Shakespear is that people do not realize when he is being dramatic and when he was being comical. Romeo and Juliet was written as a comedy, it is only in the last century that people started viewing it as a drama. And as a comedy its a far superior piece of work and still very relevant today.

      • nbjays - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM

        For the record, I haven’t watched an episode of Game of Thrones, and I’m not sure if I will, but time will tell on that. For me it has nothing to do with too much drama, fantasy worlds, dragons or anything else. It is a simple case of having read and enjoyed the books by George R.R. Martin and not being convinced that a TV show can do them justice.

      • anxovies - Apr 21, 2014 at 7:18 PM

        I guess cur is of the Bob Knight school of thought. We all learn to read and write by the fourth grade and then most of us go on to do other things.

      • indaburg - Apr 21, 2014 at 8:24 PM

        Nbjays, the consensus is that the show has done the book more than justice. George R.R. Martin is heavily involved in the show, and has written several episodes for the show himself.

      • Reflex - Apr 21, 2014 at 10:14 PM

        anxovies –

        Why would you say that? Since when is not being into Game of Thrones some sort of statement on one’s intellectual pursuits? I’m not into it either, and my *job* involves publishing and book sales (on the digital side of the equation). I love books, I just don’t really care for what I’ve seen of GoT. Didn’t think all the much of Harry Potter either, although the movies were well done.

    • Reflex - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:06 PM

      This is my problem with tv in general. I pretty much stopped watching it entirely in 1999 and every time I get convinced to check back in it only reminds me why I stopped watching. Its not that its bad, its that everything is contrived drama straight out of high school. No one actually acts like a real adult, and people who are downright sociopaths are portrayed as positive forces (Sherlock really got me in this regard).

      I left high school behind. I do not want to go back. I have run into sociopaths in the real world, and they can horribly ruin lives. Working in tech, I encounter Asperger’s type’s a lot, and again its no fun to deal with regardless of their perceived focus and talent.

      In short, there really isn’t that much out there for me these days in TV, short of baseball and PBS. Fortunately there have been a lot of very good movies the past few years.

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM

        Now I wish I’d said it more like this. I don’t watch TV either and for the same damn reasons. I get enough drama in my real life.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:16 PM

        Gentlemen, this is a pathos-free zone. We thank you for cooperating in keeping it that way. No littering. No loitering. Have a nice day.

      • nbjays - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:18 PM

        I can relate. I will curl up with a good book at the drop of a hat, but I can’t remember the last TV series that I watched on even a semi-regular basis. And don’t even get me started on “reality TV”.

        My wife and daughter watch some of the TLC stuff (which I try to ignore) but if I am watching the TV, then it is because there is either a ball game on, or the Masters, or the Olympics, or some show that is designed to make me smarter — usually Nat Geo or Discovery Channel or PBS and the like — or a good movie on Blu-Ray.

      • Reflex - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:27 PM

        The last tv show I watched was News Radio. And it was one of the best comedies ever made IMO. I feel it was a good show to go out on.

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:43 PM

        Last for me was The Office. I wanted to BE Dwight K Schrute. Since then? The Daily Show and Colbert Report (but are they shows, as such? I actually count them as News).

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Apr 21, 2014 at 6:16 PM

        Y’all are missing out, NdT’s Cosmos is amazing. The stoners must have had a ball last night.

    • pbastille - Apr 21, 2014 at 5:06 PM

      You spent three years trying to like it before you dumped it? I’d wag a finger at you if it wasn’t for the fact I did the same thing with the woman I dated prior to meeting my wife. And that woman was on more than once a week….

      • cur'68 - Apr 21, 2014 at 5:10 PM

        I watched 3 seasons worth over the course of 6 to 8 months.

  5. nymets4ever - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    Game of Thrones, BJ Upton, and the Minnesota Twins are all horrible

    • dluxxx - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:20 PM

      Says the Mets fan…

    • spudchukar - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:23 PM

      With your appellation, horrible is something you should immediately recognize.

  6. gigab0t - Apr 21, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    Yes but Bartolo Colon at-bats make it all worthwhile

  7. andreweac - Apr 21, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    Craig, you are a Puig apologist yet you are not down with Game of Thrones? This does not compute. Don’t you know that the things Puig does are a bigger affront to Western civilization than anything a character in Game of Thrones conceived of?!?!

  8. indaburg - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    Game of Thrones warrants its popularity. It’s a very well done show–sci-fi fantasy loosely based on the 15th century Wars of the Roses with great acting, witty writing and an epic scale. I hardly watch anything on television that doesn’t involve a ball, bat, and a diamond so that I can be pulled away for something other than baseball for 1 hour a week is impressive. Yes, it’s violent and sexual, but not as bad as your average Tarantino or Robert Rodriguez movie.

    • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:04 PM

      OMG, the Tarantino-level is pretty high. I can’t sit through one of those.

      • Reflex - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:12 PM

        Hate Tarantino movies. It was funny, I enjoyed Sin City the first time I saw it (the second time through not so much), and there was a scene where the violence suddenly went way over the top. I immediately thought I was watching a Tarantino flick by accident. Turned out that he directed that one scene. His ‘style’ is certainly distinctive, and I truly dislike it.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:32 PM

        Along the Game of Thrones line, have you seen Lion in Winter? If not, do it. Hepburn and O’Toole are fabulous. The innuendos are great — you’ll enjoy a pre-Bond Timothy Dalton hinting at sexual relations with Anthony Hopkins. It’s royal drama — without violence though. I’d quote my favorite line from Hepburn but it probably wouldn’t make it past the WordPress censor.

      • indaburg - Apr 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM

        It’s not Tarantino-level. I was just using it as a point of comparison since Craig tweeted it has a huge amount of violence. Although it’s not for the faint of heart, it’s not THAT bad. It depicts a world that is frequently unfair and brutal, just like real world, except with dragons and some kick ass powerful female characters. While I like Lord of the Rings, you’d think everyone was created by parthenogenesis, there are so few females.

        For the record, I hate soap operas.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM

        I loved the first 3 seasons of Mad Men (now I just watch for Don Draper’s hair pattern), so I can’t say I don’t love soap operas. But, I need one with a Sesame Street violence level, to be honest. I’m down with the tough chicks though.

      • indaburg - Apr 21, 2014 at 8:32 PM

        I’ve never watched Mad Men, so I can’t talk. I have seen ads for it, and the clothes look cool.

      • Reflex - Apr 21, 2014 at 10:11 PM

        I’m mixed on LotR. Its a fabulous example of the English language. Its also not a great story. The movies illustrate it well, as in its very clear there are few strong female characters, and worse when you consider that one had to be more or less invented and another have her role expanded in order for it not to be as male-centric as the books. The books themselves, while beautifully written, are tedious and in need of a good editor.

        I love good, expansive stories. Sean Russell’s “Initiate Brother/Gatherer of Clouds” is a fantastic high fantasy(Asian setting) where the books are enormous, but the padding is minimal. Also the only time I have ever appreciated Haiku.

        I am incredibly skeptical of series fiction. The only time I ever have found it to be truly great was the Foundation series by Asimov.

    • anxovies - Apr 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM

      Thanks. I thought I was the only on here that that enjoyed the show. It’s actually pretty good and very imaginative. True Detective was also very well done. Having somebody dissing Shakespeare on this site was making me wonder if I hadn’t fallen in with a bunch of illiterate morons who sit around watching baseball games in their underwear all day while drinking beer and scratching their behinds.

  9. yahmule - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Game of Thrones is extremely well done. Of all the things to recommend about it, I would say the acting and clever dialogue is much more of a draw to me than the action sequences, which are also superb. The child actors on this show, in particular, are uniformly impressive.

    There is no question George RR Martin’s writing style is not for everyone. Cherished characters are dispatched in cruel ways. This is hard for some people, but it adds a verisimilitude to the story that cannot be achieved any other way. It only stands to reason that opposing ruthless and dangerous people in high stakes situations would tend to get you killed.

    I never try to get anyone to watch anything. I might tell someone that GoT, The Wire or Breaking Bad is worth their time, but I’m not going to tell them twice. Too many people insisted I had to watch The Garry Shandling Show even though I hate Garry Shandling and his pinched no-talent face. The most insufferable group of people who ever plagued the landscape of this nation.

  10. musketmaniac - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

    I said years ago after the soprano aired these cable shows were the future. Game of Thrones is good. Ray Donavan and True Detective season one were awesome. You got it all from true blood to californication and Banshee you got everything. I’m quite fond of Strike Back on cinemax. The big stars are finally figuring this out. A movie is two hours, short time to develop characterization. These Shows will continue dominant. Its adult t.v. and its better than anything Nbc, cbs or abc could ever dream of.

    • anxovies - Apr 21, 2014 at 7:57 PM

      That’s exactly why I enjoy some of the HBO shows. True Detective is awesome, the way the character s and their development unfolds is quite outstanding. I am really surprised at the lack of appreciation for art here. historio seems to think that anything more provocative than Little House on the Prairie is horrible and others seem to be unaware that there is anything on TV except sports.

  11. sandrafluke2012 - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    So, rape is like watching a baseball game? classy

    • yahmule - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:48 PM

      This is trolling in its lowest form.

  12. musketmaniac - Apr 21, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    Sin city was Robert Rodriguez film. Tarantino was a guest director, he barely worked on the film.

  13. musketmaniac - Apr 21, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    The Tudors, Davincis Demons, Chamelot, The White Queen and The Bourgeois were all done in different styles, you chose what you want and leave what you don’t.

  14. randygnyc - Apr 21, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    Tudors, copper, hell on wheels, borgias, all excellent. GOT is excellence on another level (and I’ve never really watched any sci fi in my life)
    Also, on History channel is another great series, in its second season, called Vikings. Not GOT scale, but still, exceptional.

  15. gloccamorra - Apr 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    Patriot’s Day (beginning of the American Revolution), an emotional Boston Marathon, and 18 Kardashians out in public, and it’s a slow Monday?

    • historiophiliac - Apr 21, 2014 at 6:23 PM

      I avoided that freaking post for a reason. Go there to talk about that. Dang.

  16. musketmaniac - Apr 21, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    I watch Vikings, they don’t try to over do it. Ragnar character is very good. So is the priest, his travels are a little educational. good stuff

  17. musketmaniac - Apr 21, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    I’ve been meaning to watch copper. does anybody have any feedback on Turn on Amc.

    • anxovies - Apr 21, 2014 at 7:39 PM

      Watched a couple of episodes because I am interested in American History, and it’s pretty good. Nobody knew that we had a spy ring operating during the Revolutionary War until a history professor found a bunch of old letters back in the 1930s. It always interested me that they could keep a secret that long.

  18. Carl Hancock - Apr 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM

    This has to be one of the pointless comment threads I’ve seen on here in… a day or so. You can’t make someone like a show they don’t like no matter how much you stomp your foot and the same goes the other way so move the hell on people.

  19. musketmaniac - Apr 22, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    thanx anx for the info, ill check that out.

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