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Must-Click Link: A map of baseball nation

Apr 24, 2014, 12:30 PM EDT

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This is all kinds of fun. The New York Times has a map which breaks down baseball fandom by county. The methodology isn’t exactly science — it finds out the percentage of people who list a given team as their favorite in Facebook profiles by county — but it is kind of fun.

My county is about as perfectly represented as intuition would have it: an even split between Indians and Reds fans, with a healthy dollop of Yankees fans too. That Yankees part is attributale to the longtime affiliation of the Columbus Clippers with the Yankees, the fact that — and I should write about this some other time — there are still a handful of random, clinging-on minority owners from the original Steinbrenner purchase of the Yankees here in Columbus and because, well, frontrunning fans will be frontrunners.

Anyway, have a ball.

  1. goskinsvt - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Of course New Mexico is full of Yankee fans.

    • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

      Well, relatively speaking. I mean, the whole state of New Mexico has 2 million people in it. That’s the population of Houston in one-half of one percent of the land.

      Still, I wonder about which fan base is largest geographically, after the Yankees, and which is smallest. It sure looks like the Nationals or Marlins have the smallest fan base.

      • goskinsvt - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM

        Maybe geographically, but as you said, population density, etc. Nationals probably have 3 or 4x the number of people in that area than the Marlins.

      • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:14 PM

        Right. Give me as many data visualizations as possible. I’ll ignore what I want.

        Given that there’s a map involving baseball, it’s amazing that I’ve gotten any work done at all today.

      • asimonetti88 - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:48 PM

        Geographically, the Angels and Padres have pretty “small” fanbases. That said, while the land area their primary fandom covers is not as great as the Doyers to the north, those areas are still very heavily populated and therefore still cover a great amount of people.

      • bolweevils2 - Apr 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM

        Geograhically, the A’s, Mets and (understandably) the Blue Jays have no areas in the country where they are in the majority so they are the smallest. For the A’s and Mets, even their home stadiums are the territory of their local rivals.

    • anxovies - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:43 PM

      Yes, New Mexico is Yankee territory. There are lots of people in Rio Rancho and other new communities who retired from the NYC area in the 1970 and 80s and infected the rest of us. Strangely, not too may Mets fans. But there is a bitter split here between Cowboys and Broncos fans.

  2. Jeremy T - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Wow, the Yankees and Red Sox are everywhere… I mean, I guess I knew that, but it seems like they’re in every single county…

    • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM

      It would be interesting to see a map of the second-favorite team in each ZIP code, too.

      • phipfwe76 - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

        If you zoom in, it shows individual zip codes… each one has the top 3 teams listed.

  3. 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    Interesting to see how Braves Country has something of a hole in the middle.

    • Kevin S. - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

      That’s actually not that surprising. The city of Atlanta (and the northern suburbs) are full of transplants who bring their own team loyalties (if all works out, I’ll be one of them in the next couple of years). Nobody willingly moves to the back country though, so those are all born-and-bred Georgians.

    • renaado - Apr 24, 2014 at 8:46 PM

      It certainly is depressin there are only 6 people I knew of currently rootin for the Braves right now here in our country. While tons of em here are rootin for the Yankees…

  4. brandotho - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    Yankees fans are a huge minority close to the Jersey shore, where I’m from. Not very surprising

  5. 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    I’m greedy: it would be interesting to see this map change over time.

    – The Rockies have taken over the loyalties of a huge swath of land — I wonder how long that took?
    – How has the border between the Astros and the Rangers changed as the Astros have collapsed and the Rangers become a very good team?

    • brandotho - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM

      The Rangers’ attendance was actually close to the Astros when the Stros were great and the Rangers were mediocre/bad

    • moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:01 PM

      I agree over time would be great with a slider. Old school Cubs fans were established all over the place before a lot of teams emerged, then re-enforced through the WGN empire. Over time could show some give and take.

      • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:04 PM

        Sadly, they’re relying on Facebook data to populate. And the Facebook data from the 1960s is notoriously unreliable, since the Winklevoss twins weren’t even born yet.

  6. brandotho - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    Also, the poor Mets are a minority in their own borough, including Flushing

    • sdelmonte - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:02 PM

      That just depresses me. I have lived my whole life in a long walk’s distance of them, and yet I have never been part of a majority, except maybe in the mid-80s.

  7. yankeesfanlen - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Aha! Now I know how missionaries feel. After years of visits to Myrtle Beach, it’s Yankees 27%, Braves 18%, Red Sox 14%..
    I’m sure if you could zoom to North Ocean Blvd in July, we’d have them all except those cretins in room 119.

  8. billyboots - Apr 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    So are the A’s and Mets the only team with no color on the map?

    • scatterbrian - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:29 PM

      no Blue Jays either….but I imagine most/all of Canada is blue.

      • billyboots - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:31 PM

        Good eye. I just assumed all of Ontario was blue as well.

    • cktai - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM

      There’s the Blue Jays too. In fact, I couldn’t find a single zip code that had them in their top 3

    • moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:06 PM

      Canada’s inclusion would be nice. Sure to be some Mariners in BC and Alberta, Twins and Tigers in Ontario.

      • moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM

        Oh, and Yankees and Red Sox everywhere.

      • nbjays - Apr 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM

        Red Sox big time in the Martitime provinces.

  9. aceshigh11 - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    This is SO awesome.

  10. schmedley69 - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    I’m surprised that the Marlins have more than one lone dot, but then again, Old Gator is probably too old for Facebook, so I’m surprised that they have any dots at all.

    • jwbiii - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:46 PM

      I think using Facebook data leads to a serious age bias. In particular, I think the Cardinals are underrepresented here. They built a radio network that ran from the Mississippi to the Rockies and I bet the Jack and Harry Show was good radio. Those folks would be older now and less likely to have Facebook pages, but very well still could be Cards fans.

  11. whatacrocker - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    In short, nobody gives a crap about the A’s or the Mets.

    • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:19 PM

      I know it’s fun to make fun of the Mets, so don’t let me stop you. But, still, that’s only because the map shows one team per zip code. Some of those NYC zip codes are huge. I can’t vouch for accuracy here, but here’s what google gave me:

      http://www.mapszipcode.com/reports/largest+population

      So those NYC zip codes with 100,000 people in them, with 20 percent Mets fans, have more Mets fans than HUGE portions of the rural outreaches of Rockies and Royals territory — but it doesn’t show up on the map.

      • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM

        33 of the 90 largest zip codes are in the five boroughs.

      • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM

        18 of the largest 100 zip codes are in Chicago.

    • moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:09 PM

      No one gives a crap on their facebook pages.

  12. historiophiliac - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    As you can see from the map, there is absolutely no purpose in blocking out Astros and Royals games in my area. No one wants to watch them here anyway. This only inconveniences us by making away games inaccessible. Stupid, MLB.

  13. Dogsweat - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    I really glad these “all knowing” writers consider Reno- Carson a Giants town, while I live here, nothing could be more false than that map.

    The Reno Aces farm club is owned by the Arizona Diamondbacks not the Giants, most of the residents that move to Reno- Carson are from Southern California and favor the Dodgers and the Angels, in our sport shops Dodger gear usually out sells a Giants gear. Conservative Northern Nevada wants nothing to do with the ultra liberal San Francisco, and this runs deep into politics as well. I live in the area and work in the sport gear industry, and observe what teams sell the most. Dodger fans always their colors win or lose, Giant fans had a surge of course when they won the series a few years back, but it is back to normal and the bandwagon has collapsed.

    Also we have many persons who move here from Washington and are Sea hawk fans. We have a Raider fan base in Carson, but it was started when the Raiders were in L.A. And these were some of the influx of Southern Californians that started this.

    Also Fresno is split right down the middle when it comes ti the Giants- Dodger fans. New Mexico is Dodger Blue(majority) as well.

    Keep Trying. Keep Trying.

    • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:28 PM

      The writers looked at Facebook data. It’s a map of this moment, not long-term loyalties. The map favors teams who are popular right now and does not penalize a person for being a bandwagon fan. It also does not count people who are not on Facebook, nor people (like me) who don’t say what their favorite team is on Facebook. And, yet, it’s pretty accurate anyway. Doesn’t mean it’s perfect, as your post proves. There’s more information out there.

      Quote: “The maps were created using estimates of team support based on how many Facebook users “liked” each team in a ZIP code. We applied an algorithm to smooth the data and fill in gaps where data was missing.”

    • jkcalhoun - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM

      How about a look at another indication of team affiliation? The Giants have had a radio affiliate in Reno for many years (these days it’s KSGG 1230 AM). The Dodgers do not; they have one in Las Vegas, but the closest to Reno is probably Bishop, CA. The Diamondbacks’ radio affiliates are all in Arizona and New Mexico.

      My guess here is that the folks in Reno who “want nothing to do with San Francisco” also want nothing to do with a bunch of other folks in Reno.

      • Dogsweat - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:53 PM

        Since you don’t live in the area your OPINION is worthless, that channel you mentioned doesn’t even “come in” the city of Carson, several years ago we had a broadcast of another team that died when they started losing. It is a weak and lame channel.

        I wish arrogant persons like yourself, would learn to be quiet on matters that you know nothing about.

        I live and work in the area. You don’t. You probably some moronic Easterner or Mid westerner who has nothing better to do, then chime in on nothing that concerns you, have fun next winter shoveling snow.

        BTW once again the D Backs are the Aces Masters not the Giants, I guess folks in Reno want it that way…….

        I’m a fan of the Aces and support the D Backs.

      • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM

        JKCalhoun — thank you for what was actually a valid piece of information. I didn’t find it arrogant. In fact, I didn’t think it expressed much of an opinion at all. I thought it was a good question whose answer might help make a map like the NYT’s map a little more accurate.

        Dogsweat is obviously an [adjective] person from Reno, and we all know what they’re like. Because it’s totally acceptable to criticize people based on where they might live. You know, because everyone from the East and Midwest is exactly alike.

      • jkcalhoun - Apr 24, 2014 at 4:20 PM

        It’s true that radio-locator.com lists KSGG’s signal as weak in Carson. Usually at night, however, even weak AM signals can be received over the 30-odd miles that separate Carson from Reno. Good luck.

        Although sfgiants.com shows 1230 as the Reno affiliate, other websites show that Reno Sports Radio carries the Giants games. That’s AM 1270 from Sparks. Does that one carry all the way to Carson?

        How about TV? Can you get Channel 21 from Reno? That carries Giants games not carried by their cable network, some or all of the 15 games this season broadcast by NBC Bay Area.

        Again, best of luck in locating evidence of Giants’ fandom in the Greater Reno area. Radio and TV sponsors believe that it exists in sufficient concentration to fund these broadcasts, so I’m sure that if you search earnestly, you’ll find it.

        By the way: that was an excellent guess about my location. I actually live and work to the West of you, but you got the planet right. Congratulations.

      • jkcalhoun - Apr 26, 2014 at 4:57 PM

        Looks like radio broadcasts of Giants games are carried in the Reno area by KBZZ 1270 AM after all., not by KSGG 1230 as indicated at sfgiants.com. KBZZ comes in loud and clear in Carson City, according to radio-locator.com.

        So you could be tuning into the Indians-Giants game on the radio this very minute. Enjoy.

    • moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:14 PM

      If this was further refined, dogsweat, you’d probably be right. There’s not many Giants fans from Carson down the 395 corridor east of the Sierras.

      • Dogsweat - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:54 PM

        Thank You for your truthful words and your wisdom.

      • jkcalhoun - Apr 24, 2014 at 4:22 PM

        And, as the risk of redundancy, thanks for agreeing with Dogsweat.

  14. moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    Wish they would have included Canada, Mexico and PR.

    • Francisco (FC) - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:26 PM

      Yeah the Blue Jays have been seriously shafted in this map.

    • tc4306 - Apr 24, 2014 at 5:25 PM

      Canada is included. It is the Great White North.
      Its that big blank spot above North Dakota, Montana etc.
      The concept that there might actually be regional differences
      in Canada is completely lost on Americans.

      An American might be from Detroit, or from Michigan or from Detroit, MI.
      Americans might say a Canadian is from “Canada” or from Toronto, Canada.
      Don’t think I’ve ever heard one say he’s from “Toronto, Ontario, Canada”

      • moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 6:08 PM

        OK, data from Canada. Everything else you wrote is jibberish.

  15. Dogsweat - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    I think I have seen more Yankee hats in the Reno- Carson area than Giant ones.

    • jkcalhoun - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM

      Then you probably weren’t at the Aces ballpark when the Giants displayed their 2010 and 2012 championship trophies there, March 16, 2013.

      The Giants also brought the 2010 trophy when they took it on tour in early 2011. I believe it was displayed on the campus of the University of Nevada, Reno, March 8, 2011. From there they took it to Tahoe City.

      Don’t miss it next time!

  16. dwrek5 - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    So disappointed in FL. All up and down 95 is Yanks, Sox, and barves. Marlins cant even crack the top 3?!?!

    • scatterbrian - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:32 PM

      I think Miami is doing OK. Zoom in on Oakland.

  17. Francisco (FC) - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    The Orioles have a choke-hold on the Chesapeake Bay and the Mouth of the Potomac!

    Man Yankee Fans being the majority in several counties in northern Pennsylvania? The Pirates and Phillies should be ashamed of themselves.

    • skeleteeth - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM

      There is a huge disconnect between much of PA and Philadelphia in many respects so don’t find that surprising in the least.

    • brandotho - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

      NY is awful close, and the Yankees Triple-A affiliate plays in Scranton

      • Francisco (FC) - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:12 PM

        I was being mostly facetious but The Phillies Triple-A affiliate plays in Allentown. Hover over that place for a minute.

  18. moogro - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    There’s a ton of errors in the color coding scheme. Look at Wyoming and Utah. If Red is Red Sox majority in one county, grey is Yankees, they are flip-flopped in many instances. And looking further, that happens all over the map.

  19. skeleteeth - Apr 24, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    Man, CT nearly split by the Connecticut River Yankees/Red Sox.

    Also, for the record the Red Sox have a huge presence in Monroe County/Rochester surprisingly. Local Wegmans ran out of Sox mugs after this last WS run and still are having trouble keeping them in stock.

    • 18thstreet - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM

      Ah, Wegmans! (URochester, class of 1997)

      But, let’s face it, that’s — like — 50 mugs. Probably not the best data source.

  20. dluxxx - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Twins Territory is well represented. “Small Market”. Ha!

    • billyboots - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:36 PM

      It’s not like those counties in the middle of the Dakotas are holding millions of people though.

      • dluxxx - Apr 24, 2014 at 3:18 PM

        True. If you combined the total populations of North and South Dakota you still couldn’t even say “millions.” Their total population is like 1.5 million between the two… But the Twins sure do own a lot of real estate. Kinda fitting considering that’s where all the Pohlad money came from…

  21. illuminancer - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Poor A’s. They just get no love.

  22. daveitsgood - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM

    I’m going to conclude this is junk and call shenanigans considering that all of Oakland and Alameda are basically <50% Giants fans? That's a negative ghost rider, the pattern is full.

    • daveitsgood - Apr 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM

      Additionally, the Giants have a pretty healthy following of fans in Arizona, especially in the Scottsdale/PHX area from being there for Spring Training and whenever the Giants are in town to play the D’Backs, there is an awful lot of Black and Orange in the stands.

  23. djandujar - Apr 24, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    It dosn’t look like anyone likes the Mets!

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