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And That Happened: Thursday’s scores and highlights

Apr 25, 2014, 6:51 AM EDT

CC Sabathia AP

Yankees 14, Red Sox 5: It started off with lots of laughs for the Red Sox, but then the Yankees leapt out to a 7-0 lead by the top of the third and never looked back. Yangervis Solarte drove in four, Jacoby Ellsbury three, and Mark Teixeira hit his first homer of the year. More importantly: on the heels of losing Ivan Nova to Tommy John surgery and Michael Pineda to a suspension, CC Sabathia put up his second strong start in a row, allowing two runs over six innings with eight strikeouts.

Athletics 10, Astros 1: Just clown shoes from the Astros. Five errors and a nine-run loss is bad as it is, but then tossing on some gratuitous unwritten rule enforcement — from an incident in a totally different game, in a totally different series — is just ridiculous. You know, my original defense of Jed Lowrie bunting with a big lead in that first game was “hey, the A’s should stop trying only when the Astros say they’ve stopped trying.” But really, I don’t think that’s applicable anymore because the Astros are acting like they’re not even playing baseball these days.

Reds 2, Pirates 1: Tony Cingrani allowed one run on six hits in six inning while striking out seven. Cincinnati has won seven of nine and have reached .500 after a slow start.

Indians 5, Royals 1: The Royals make Corey Kluber look like Sandy Koufax (CG 4, H 0 ER, 11K, 0 BB). According to the AP, Kluber is the first Indians pitcher to throw a complete game while recording 11 strikeouts, no walks or earned runs since Len Barker’s perfect game in 1981. Kinda cool.

Mets 4, Cardinals 1: Nice outing for Bartolo Colon, who gave up only one run on four hits over seven. And an odd sight:  Daisuke Matsuzaka as a closer. He saved his first game since playing in Japan back in 2000. I don’t know this experiment will work — Dice-K is pretty much the opposite of what you want from a closer — but it’s kinda fun to see. Well, to the extent you can ever describe watching Matsuzaka “fun.”

Tigers 7, White Sox 4: Miguel Cabrera had two hits and drove in three, showing that his bat is waking up after hitting the snooze bar several times since the season began. Wait, are there snooze bars anymore? I’m sorta picturing an analog clock radio here when I suspect all you kids use your iPhones and stuff as an alarm clock. My unfamiliarity with this is not a function of me being old, though. It’s a function of me not sleeping that much.

Diamondbacks 5, Cubs 2: Mike Bolsinger snagged his first major league win, allowing one unearned run on four hits in six and two-thirds. He even hit an RBI single to [all together now] help his own cause.

Twins 9, Rays 7: Minnesota takes three of four in St. Pete. Aaron Hicks hit a three-run homer, Kurt Suzuki drove in three and Sam Fuld drove in two. 

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Padres 4, Nationals 3: A costly win for the Padres as they lost both Chase Headley and Seth Smith to injuries, but a win all the same. Xavier Nady hit an RBI single in the top of the 12th to put the Pads ahead. The Nats blew a ton of opportunities, going 0 for 16 with runners in scoring position and leaving 14 men on base.

Orioles 11, Blue Jays 4: Ten runs Wednesday night, 11 last night. I think it’s safe to say the O’s can hit the ball and/or the Jays staff has issues. Chris Davis drove in three. Nelson Cruz had two hits and drove in two. He’s had RBI in seven straight games. 

Phillies 7, Dodgers 3: Four runs in the ninth for the Phillies to turn a tie game into a laugher. Carlos Ruiz had the big hit, with a tiebreaking two-run double. Brian Wilson gave up all four of those runs on three hits and a walk. His ERA now stands at 15.75.

108 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. chill1184 - Apr 25, 2014 at 6:59 AM

    3 out of 4 from the NL Champs? Didn’t expect that going into the series but Ill take it, nice to see Granderson drive in a run.

  2. RickyB - Apr 25, 2014 at 6:59 AM

    Doubt Kluber would have had that distinction if Cliff Lee never left Cleveland. And how about Mike Carp on the mound against the Yanks? Perhaps the worst pitching by a positional player I’ve seen. Five walks, but at least he only gave up one run thanks to a DP. He was the only Sox pitcher to actually get some defense behind him.

    • kevinbnyc - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM

      He just needs to get in more work with the knuckleball. Couldn’t get a feel for it last night.

  3. johnnysoda - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:04 AM

    In case anyone cares, I will not be able to write my weekend “And That Happened” tomorrow. I’ll be back Sunday morning, though.

    • proudlycanadian - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:21 AM

      Sorry to see that Johnny. Keep up the good work on Sunday. Cheers!

    • wlschneider09 - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:57 AM

      I care. And very much appreciate the weekend editions.

      See you on Sunday.

    • renaado - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:09 AM

      Truly appreciate your work there man, see you on Sunday morning ( Monday evening here for us cause of the timelines) johnnysoda.

      • aresachaela - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:57 AM

        Time zones Ren.

      • renaado - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM

        Oh, guess our lesson in History class is still stuck in my mind.. Sorry about that.

    • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:10 AM

      Ditto Johnny. You do an excellent job and I look forward to it – even if you do have utopian ideas about how long it takes to drive from Seattle to Macondo.

    • number42is1 - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:56 AM

      “That’s Busch league”

      – Craig

  4. aresachaela - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:29 AM

    As much as I love seein the Yankees trashed the Redsox today, Those errors by the Redsox really are a pain to watch, definitely not the style of play I’m expecting to see this morning.

  5. nbjays - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:40 AM

    Ugly couple of games for the Jays. Not a good sign when the bullpen is this tired this early. I am sort of questioning some of John Gibbons’ relief pitching choices of late; specifically Todd Redmond Wednesday night. In Redmond you have a spot starter/long man who is most comfortable entering the game at the start of an inning, not in a bases-loaded pressure situation. He didn’t handle it well, as every pitch he made was up in the zone. Last night he brought in Walker, ostensibly a strike-em-out pressure situation guy, to star an inning. I’m just not getting the logic.

    Hopefully tonight Buehrle can be Buehrle and give the ‘pen a night off, as he usually does.

    • groupofsevenrules - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:55 AM

      I never understood the choice of Gibbon in the first place. Really. It was as if AA set out to bore us to death right from the beginning.

    • proudlycanadian - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:18 AM

      Drew Hutchinson pitched very well yesterday for the Jays. Over 6 innings, he gave up 2 runs and struck out 9. Not bad for a 15th round pick in 2009. He fell to the 15th round due to doubts that he might sign. Essentially, the Jays ended up giving him the signing bonus money that they were planning to give to the Boras client James Paxton. The unsigned Paxton was the 37th pick in the draft. As compensation for not signing Paxton, the Jays drafted Noah Snydergaard #38 in 2010. Paxton might turn out to be a decent major league pitcher; however both Hutchinson and Snydergaard have more upside. Snydergaard was subsequently traded to the Mets in the Dickey trade.

      • Shayna - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:32 AM

        I was in the dome for the game last night and it was distressing. Hutch gave us a very respectable start, and his/Navarro’s choice of pitches was apposite. But the bullpen! What was ironclad last April is now rust-riddled. Particularly disappointing was Brett Cecil’s performance, or lack thereof. Sigh.

        And, on a personal note, I seem to have lost my mojo. Last year I went to five games and we won them all! I go to one game this year and disaster strikes. Am I a bird of ill omen for the flock?

      • proudlycanadian - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM

        Keep going to the games. It has nothing to do with you.

    • dirtyharry1971 - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:57 AM

      You think its because they are tired?? They can sleep for a week and its not gonna get any better, I see a reality check coming against boston starting tonight for the bluegays

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:18 AM

        That’s good, and be sure to watch, because given the ridiculous world of transparent fantasies, vinyl girlfriends and other pathetic delusions you inhabit a reality check might actually be theraputic for you. It wouldn’t make you less of a lowlife, but at least it might save you a few dollars per month on the co-pay for your antipsychotics.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:31 AM

        its like I always say old faker, sometimes the truth hurts and well this is yet another example of that. That’s why some people get ticked off at me here because I tell it the way it is and I don’t sugar coat anything….well at least not about baseball, lol

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:05 AM

        Sugar isn’t what you coat things with. The material in question is, if not disposed of in its entirety, used to grow vegetables in third world countries. Given your boundless ability to generate the stuff, you probably ought to buy a truck farm – though, I suppose, being the idiot you are, you think that means you were supposed to grow trucks on it.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:44 AM

        “used to grow vegetables in third world countries”

        And you accuse me of a preoccupation with fecal matter, Old Felcher. You seem to talk about it nearly every time you comment. The only time I would mention it, is talking about the diarrhea you dump all over the comment section, directly from your keyboard.

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:46 AM

        No, I comment on your obsession with it. I didn’t even mention it by name. You, on the other hand, specialize in digging up – that’s a pun, which I point out only because you’re likely too dense to have picked up on it otherwise – every noisome term for it and splashing it all over your ugly, pointless gibberings on here every chance you get. You also suffer from an unselfconscious tendency to project your own obsessions with excrement onto others, which, by the way, is far more transparent than you have the meager capacity to understand.

    • Dave Stevenson - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:34 AM

      And why the heck do you intentionally walk Nelson Cruz to load the bases for Chris Davis?

      • nbjays - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM

        Because Cruz has been red hot against the Jays all series and Davis hasn’t. That was actually a no brainer. Davis just made contact with a very good pitch.

      • Dave Stevenson - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:15 PM

        Isn’t that exactly what Cruz has been doing? And no, it wasn’t a “very good pitch”, it was a horribly placed fastball.

      • nbjays - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM

        Did you watch the same game I did? The pitch Chris Davis hit after Cruz was walked was low and away and he managed to get his bat on it and punch it to left against the shift. He didn’t even hit it particularly hard.

        Prior to that at-bat, Davis was 2-for-11 for the series with 4 Ks and 1 RBI; Cruz was 5-for-12 with 2 Ks and 8 RBI. And with one out and first base empty, it makes sense to walk the hot hitter, keep the double play in order and pitch to the colder hitter.

      • Dave Stevenson - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        Did you watch the game? Cruz was intentionally walked after he already had a 1 ball 2 strike count against Cecil. I don’t care if that’s 1927 Babe Ruth at the plate, that’s a horrible and inexcusable decision.

        Also, if you’re hoping for a double play, it’s probably wise to have your defense in double play formation (which the Jays didn’t).

        Cecil’s pitch allowed Davis to exploit the huge hole in the shift (barely mind you, but still). Gibbons deserves to be blasted for IBB’ing Cruz, and he’d deserve to be even if Davis has hit into a double play. Just because an idea worked doesn’t mean it was a good one. Sometimes really bad ideas somehow work.

      • Dave Stevenson - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:39 PM

        Apologies, 1-1 count. But still a really bad idea to walk Cruz when Cecil was a pitch away from having him in a 1-2 count.

  6. thedoubleentandres - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:43 AM

    I watched the Red Sox game on NESN and I swear the dumbest poll Iv ever seen came up. Which of these is the worst crime in baseball…

    Corked Bat

    FIXING GAMES!!!!

    Foreign Substance (i.e Pine Tar)

    PEDs

    At the time it was shown PEDs had 40% of the vote

    • Kevin S. - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:51 AM

      It wasn’t a dumb poll, it was an intelligence test.

      Red Sox Nation failed.

    • aceshigh11 - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:31 AM

      That’s hilarious…sad, but hilarious.

  7. groupofsevenrules - Apr 25, 2014 at 7:53 AM

    Hutchinson had a pretty decent outing – 6 innings, 1 walk, 9 ks, 2ER against a hard hitting lineup. The Jays’ pen has just been awful though. Janssen doesn’t show any evidence of being ready to rehab, much less come back but the way middle relief is performing it’s hard to imagine how they would even get to him. Tonight a probably embarrassed and pissed off Red Sox team comes in. I’m not worried that Buehrle can hold them -but if he doesn’t go nine, the rag arms in the pen are in big trouble.

    Fortunately, I have my last late shift tonight and won’t be able to watch anything after the fifth inning or so except during the breaks….

  8. Jason Lukehart - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:08 AM

    Kluber ended up at 101 pitches, along with that unearned run. If Nick Swisher had made that play, it probably would have been a Maddux, which would have been the Tribe’s first since Cliff Lee 2009.

  9. indaburg - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:14 AM

    Correction. The Twins took two of three in St. Pete. It only felt like 3 of 4. Miserable home stand. Things are not well in the bay. The fate of the Rays rests on strong starting pitching and that’s exactly what they don’t have right now outside of Price and Archer.

    • historiophiliac - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:09 AM

      So, is it better to have two great pitchers and that make you bitter about the rest of them or to have a string of mediocre guys for your starters?

  10. nymets4ever - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM

    The Mets are playing some solid, tough baseball that cannot be criticized, and everyone is pissed about it. Haha

    • stex52 - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:33 AM

      But that’s what we’re here for. Fear not; we will find a way to criticize.

    • sdelmonte - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:37 AM

      Sure it can be criticized. Until the Mets stop swinging so freely, they won’t be able to take the next step. I am thrilled that they look better now than three weeks ago, but those strikeouts bother now.

    • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:21 AM

      Mutts4ever is too dimwitted to realize that no one is pissed at the Mutts per se, but sick and tired of his particular brand of idiocy. It’s easy to understand, though, how someone so clueless would conflate the response to his uselessness to some imaginary attitude about the team. It keeps his ego from rucking and rumpling like a perforated gum bubble.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:33 AM

        Mets4ever is one of the few people who write anything good on here, I don’t even like the mets but I respect Mets4ever as a baseball fan and the only reason you have an issue with him is because he says it the way it is and the truth bothers you. Not to mention he has made you out to be the old fool I have said you are for years.

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:07 AM

        You, Mutts4 and sewerbear – a perfect troika; three useless trolls each one kissing the others’ backsides. Considering Mutts never actually replies to me, and hasn’t even been here for years, this is just another example of your self-congratulatory delusion machine cranking out more useless garbage.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:47 AM

        Come on Felcher – useless garbarge? That is your forte. Talk about kissing backsides; that’s exactly what you, Felchee’68 and NBJ seem to do best.

      • nbjays - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:26 AM

        Mutts4ever and vivabore have proved multiple times that their only function on this board is to nitpick every little post that Craig makes and to call other posters names that would result in them getting their lights punched out in real life. I suspect that the first is a function of them not understanding such things as logic, nuance, sarcasm and basic English. Both reasons lead me to believe neither of them is all the way through puberty yet. Many posters on here other than Gator, Cur and me have expressed incredulity at the depths to which they can sink.

        Harry is a special case. His sole reason for being on this board is an exercise in self-affirmation through Jays-bashing, the reason for which is unclear, and touting his self-proclaimed credentials as a baseball expert, something that 99% of the thinking fans on here have yet to find solid evidence of. He also seems to be incapable of critical thought, but unlike his counterparts above, he’s likely gotten through puberty but is not really socially developed enough to functionally interact with others in an acceptable way. Hence the bravado and blustering manner. Despite his many, and varied claims of just what it is he does for a living (I’ve seen conflicting claims on here so I don’t believe any of it), I suspect his true profession is no more than a blog-troll.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:43 AM

        NBJ – so I pick apart Craig’s posts? I don’t ever recall doing so – citation please.

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:49 AM

        I believe the “pick apart” was meant for Mutts and the “call names” was meant for you. Making these simple distinctions requires a level of baseline literacy that you have already proven on countless occasions that you pathetically lack.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:00 PM

        Felch away. Nice assumption Old Felcher. If that’s what NBJ meant, he should have typed it as such.

      • groupofsevenrules - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM

        SO I wake up and go for a drink of water and can’t resist checking the blog and lo, I see both Harry and sewerbear are in full-bore how-big-an-idiot-can-I-make-myself-look-like-today mode. I must say though, Gator, that “browless coelenterate” is one of your best, maybe the best since “thalidomide cuisinart,” about which I still find myself laughing on the drive to work from time to time.

        On the other hand, what I do with the big beautiful rainbow trout of my dreams, in my own personal private dreams, is none of your goddamned business! It’s bad enough that I have to worry about talking in my sleep and waking up to find a note from Michelle that she’s gone home to mother.

        I will speculate that that particular metaphor derives from the herring merchant sneaking upstairs with his big fish in “Love and Death,” right?

        I’m going back to sleep. My vinyl trout can’t compare to the one in my gamma waves.

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:46 PM

        No, sewerbear, I don’t believe that NBJ has any particular responsibility to oversimplify his comments, which would be clear to anyone with half a mind in their brains as written, so that they could be comprehended by an imbecile who would misread a Dick and Jane Little Golden Book.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:49 PM

        Haven’t seen Felchee’68 around….do you have him locked in your gimp room?

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        Probably at work at the hospital, where he performs important medical services – not something of which you are capable or about which you would have any comprehension, being the useless slug that you are.

  11. uyf1950 - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM

    The Yankees rebounded from Wednesday’s fiasco. Thursday CC and the offense got the Yankees back on track. CC may not have a blazing fastball anymore but he can still get the job done as he showed last night. And what more can we say about the Yankees offense. There is literally no comparison to the 2013 Yankees. Ellsbury, McCann, Beltran and Solarte are all doing very well and none of them were with the Yankee last year. Add in Soriano and Ichiro who most of us including myself wrote off way to early in the season and this offense looks very, very good. Even Jeter who defensively will never be mistaken for Ozzie Smith but offensively at nearly 40 years old is exceeding expectation. I just hope it continues. I think it will.

    • Eutaw's Finest - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:33 AM

      Solarte got off to a hot start and it was hard to say what to expect once he settled in. So far I’d say he’s shaping up quite nicely. Not that I’m happy about this from a divisional standpoint, but if I removed my orange tinted glasses, it always nice to see a kid come out of nowhere and succeed.

      • uyf1950 - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:36 AM

        I agree 100% about seeing do good that no one expected it from.

  12. uyf1950 - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:24 AM

    Since the Red Sox did play the Yankees yesterday I think I can comment on their performance. They looked absolutely terrible. This is NOT your 2013 Red Sox team.

  13. sdelmonte - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:39 AM

    The best thing about Dice-K getting his turn in the pen is that the Mets aren’t looking to move a kid from the Triple A rotation to a closer role and back again. I am so glad they ended that experiment with Mejia.

  14. Eutaw's Finest - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM

    Bud Norris had another solid outing last night, and finally gets the W to show for it. 6IP, 5H, 3ER, 1BB, 4K. And only 86 pitches. Which brings up a good question- why did they pull Norris after 6 at only 86 pitches? A 7-3 lead, pitch count not that high, and the O’s pen could have used some rest.

    On the pitching overall in this series, I was not pleased to see that the O’s gave up 8 bombs to the Jays in this series, accounting for 18 of the 21 runs surrendered. Yikes…

    Oh and the only Oriole without a hit last night? Flaherty with an 0 for 5. And AGAIN I say, there’s no reason you keep this guy up once Manny returns…

    Happy Friday to the masses!

    • newlydead - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:30 AM

      I wonder if it had to do with the trip to the mound the inning before (if i remember correctly) to check on his (possible) hamstring issue. after the 1-2 he did a little hop, grabbed at his hamstring and then you could see him trying to stretch it out. they left him in to finish the inning (one pitch) but wonder if they didn’t want to take any chances on him doing more damage (if any was done in the first place) to it.

    • Dave Stevenson - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:36 AM

      Easy reason to keep Flaherty up: Great utility infielder. Not to mention Flaherty’s the only way you’re giving Hardy or Machado a day off without forcing someone to play out of position. Think Schoop should be training for third base in AAA.

      • Eutaw's Finest - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:46 AM

        Flaherty is great defensive utility infielder. Not offensive. His bat is terrible. He’ll be lucky to make it to the Mendoza line this year. And while I understand the need for somebody who can play all across the infield I can’t imagine being okay with inserting a guy hitting .170 with 3 RBI’s, and sending down a guy hitting .270 with 2 HR’s and 10 RBI’s. I’d rather see giving Manny of Hardy an off day, moving Schoop over for a rare day and putting Lombo at 2B.

        The OF has a good backup in Delmon Young. Clevenger is a good backup catcher. Both instances the O’s sacrifice defense to add offense. I would hope for the same in the infield.

      • Dave Stevenson - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:21 PM

        Schoop’s due for some regression. His walk rate is under 2% and his K rate is a shade below 30%. That’s not good. Also, he should be playing third every day in the minors because chances are, he’ll be playing third next year if Hardy leaves. I’m usually for “win now” moves like keeping Schoop up, but you have to do what’s best for the team and the player. Sending Schoop down to get consistent playing time at third base is what’s best for both sides. Still don’t see him sticking at second, but I also thought Machado wouldn’t stick at 3rd base, so what do I know?

        Flaherty gives the Orioles versatility. He can spell Hardy, Machado, Davis, or Lombardozzi. Not to mention he’s one of the few Orioles who has shown an ability to take a walk (9.5% walk rate). I get that his bat will never be great, but his glove has more value than Schoop’s bat right now.

  15. historiophiliac - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:44 AM

    From the Oddly Unsatisfying Department: we got our last out thanks to batter interference. The guys on the field seemed caught off guard that the play was over. The announcers said: oh, it hit the batter. There was a pause and then folks aimlessly ambled in. We won but what? Ok. TTYL, I guess…

    • ashot - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:55 AM

      I still have not seen a replay of the end of the Tigers game, so I appreciate the clarification. Why in the world were the Sox running down 3 with only one runner on?

      Also, after my prior disparaging comments about Joba, he has pitched much better lately. He was not sharp yesterday, but still should have gotten out of the inning only giving up 1 run had the defense done its job.

  16. happytwinsfan - Apr 25, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    Twins vs., the um (be nice they are our guests), “tigers”:

    The AL Central, with collectively the most wins of all three American league divisions, in its Midwestern splendor, has become the pre-eminent division of baseball dom. Tonight its two leading lights join in battle, the very first game to determine the occupant of first place of baseball’s marque division.

    This will occur in the cultural and spiritual epicenter of our land. If you can’t get worked up for that, you ain’t got a pulse.

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM

      3rd in MLB in runs, and first in OBP

      your 2014 MN Twins!

      http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=13,d

      • happytwinsfan - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:06 AM

        yeah, i see that they’re high on the list in strikeouts suffered and walks taken, because they’re taking a lot of pitches. they’re playing money ball 1.0 while most everybody else is playing money ball 2.0 and 3.0. for some strange reason it seems to be working.

      • dluxxx - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM

        The old market inefficiency is the new market inefficiency…

    • dluxxx - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:26 AM

      The pitching has been as advertised this year, but the hitting has been pretty darn good. Mauer’s bat seems to be waking up, and if Dozier can get his average up while continuing to do what he does, I think we’ll be in pretty good shape.

      Now if only we could get our pitchers to suck a little less we’d be running away with the division right now…

      • happytwinsfan - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:43 AM

        if they can rough up the kitten starters you and i will have some serious gloating to do.

      • dluxxx - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM

        Oh yeah. Historio will not be pleased…

      • historiophiliac - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM

        You’re in luck because Porcello is starting today. Enjoy it while it lasts, gents! I’ll be watching.

      • dluxxx - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:49 PM

        Don’t worry, I’ll only gloat after we win. I’ll just smirk beforehand… ;)

      • historiophiliac - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

        Okay, and I’l get drunk. :D

      • dluxxx - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

        That should go without saying…

      • dluxxx - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

        I should really know better than to trash talk, though. The kitties have had our number the last few years. Granted, EVERYONE has had our number the last few years…

      • happytwinsfan - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:16 PM

        i thought i felt her smoldering eyes on the perch above, locked on the back of my neck.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

        Tigresses do NOT perch.

        /sniffs

  17. dirtyharry1971 - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    I see Buehrle taking his first loss of the year and I see him getting a reality check starting tonight as I fully expect the redsox to rebound and punish the bluejays big time in this series. I also see Gibbon’s house go on the market by the end of the week because the writing is on the wall

    • nymets4ever - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:01 AM

      Word. As a Mets fan, it’s never fun to watch old favorites like Jose Reyes and R.A. Dickey toil away in complete irrelevance, but man alive, the Blue Jays are god awful. It’s getting to the point where an actual gibbon might’ve been a better managerial hire than John Gibbons, lol

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:16 AM

        Yeah, you and Harry, joined at the head. Delightful. Like watching slugs mate. An alliance as perfect in its symmetry as the one between Timothy Leary and G. Gordon Liddy – except that they were entertaining at times.

      • happytwinsfan - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:10 AM

        timothy leary and g gordon liddy were in alliance? i think i missed that one, but it does sound highly entertaining. leary thought LSD was thereuptic and liddy liked to pretentiously quote nietsche in the original german. other than that i got nothing. do elaborate

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 AM

        Yep, they really were – you can check YouTube where I think there might even be some clips of them. They traveled from college campus to college campus “debating” social issues with Leary taking the pinwheel New Age position and Liddy espousing the sandrafluke/barrywheeyoufrom right-wing moron perspective. I saw them in New York – I was at NYU at the time; I think they held the debate at Cooper Union and it was packed – and I must say, it was, in a weird sort of way, kind of refreshing to watch two polar opposite twin-soul scoundrels pretending to go at each other for an hour and being pretty funny about it too. Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee made musical magic together for decades while ackcherley detesting each other, but I think Liddy and Leary became pretty close friends perhaps even before they teamed up.

      • nbjays - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM

        Numbers and facts don’t register much with you, do they Mutts? By what yardstick do you call the Mets good and the Jays “god awful”? Because it certainly isn’t stats. The only stats the Mets lead the Jays in at the moment are wins (by 1) and team ERA (Jays – 4.38, Mets – 3.73) mainly due to the Jays’ last 2 games. In almost every other offensive, defensive and pitching category, the Jays are either even or, more often, well above the Mets.

        Team Batting
        BA: Jays – .247, Mets – .217
        OBP: Jays – .323, Mets – .295
        HR: Jays – 26, Mets – 14
        Hits: Jays – 186, Mets – 163
        Strikeouts: Jays – 160, Mets – 213
        SLG: Jays – .402, Mets – .315

        Team Pitching
        Opp BA: Jays – .254, Mets – .254
        HR Allowed: Jays – 18, Mets – 25
        Hits Allowed: Jays – 188, Mets – .203
        Strikeouts: Jays – 191, Mets – 176
        Saves: Jays – 6, Mets – 6

        Team Fielding
        Errors: Jays – 7, Mets – 11
        DP turned: Jays – 17, Mets – 16

        But you just keep on saying the Jays are a bad team while saying the Mets aren’t… maybe later on in the season it will be true, but the numbers don’t support it at the moment.

        Aren’t numbers and facts inconvenient things when they disprove your assertions?

  18. dirtyharry1971 - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:02 AM

    Oh and its worth noting the attendace at lastnite’s jays game……16,283 (33% full) I see that number getting even lower as the season moves along. Then the knuckleheads on here can tell me how they are this big draw, LOL

  19. Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    The only writing on the wall must be yours, illiterate moron that you are, because it’s full of misspellings, bad punctuation, incorrect capitalization, clumsy syntax and monotonous repetitions – when it isn’t graced by your usual lowlife propensity to make jokes out of brutal rapes like you did a few posts back, you backalley piece of garbage?

    • dirtyharry1971 - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:36 AM

      Not once did I joke about rape, all I said was that player should be traded to the jays. That is not making a joke about what he did but once again you certainly proved who is the illiterate moron now didn’t you? I think its time you go slither back into the hole from which you came from as you been schooled yet once again by the master

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:14 AM

        You aren’t even a master of uselessness; that title belongs to another gutter slug on here. Yes, you joked about rape – your joke implied that a rapist ought to be on the Blue Jays (note the capitalization of proper names, “master” illiterate) because in that detestable puddle of slime swilling behind your eyes the you actually discerned humor in the situation. You’re utterly disgusting, and you couldn’t “school” an amoeba to hide from the light.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:51 AM

        Don’t get too uppity, Felcher. Lest ye forget how you took it upon yourself to deride Neil Diamond and Sweet Caroline; in the post about him performing the song live at Fenway following the Boston Marathon bombings? That was a totally deplorable, and disgusting display by you.

      • zukith - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:05 AM

        Gator: Can’t you see that you fuel this? Harry is an obvious troll, no doubt making statements in an effort to raise fury and ire in the eyes of none other than yourself. And it works. Every time. You are an internet troll’s dream. You legitimately hate him, while he finds you wildly entertaining.

        The best way for you to make this stop is to completely ignore him. Of course this is all under the assumption you actually want this all to stop. But, perhaps you do enjoy making your intellectual insults and retorts referencing one or more of harry’s blow-up dolls or whatever. If so, carry on.

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:22 AM

        Well, sewerbear, let’s risk crumpling your febrile synapses and look at it from another angle, shall we? It offended me that a piece of utter musical garbage and a purveyor of bottom-of-the-barrel musical tripe like Neil Diamond (you know, the kind of thing that would appeal to a browless coelenterate like you) was the best the Red Sox could come up with to commemorate a genuine human tragedy. If that had happened here and I had to sit through a nauseating display of awful music which trivialized the events of the week, I doubt if I would have appreciated it much.

        But then, a drooling moron like you experiences trivialization the way thoughtful people experience a shiatsu massage.

        Zukith: of course I know that. But I think you underestimate how much this gets under poor dim Harry’s skin too. As long as our virtual village idiot insists on spreading his slime around this blog, I’ll be here to keep treating him like the moron that he is – and amusing myself endlessly in the process.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:49 AM

        Felch away. Here’s a clear display of you biggest fault, Old Felcher. You feel you are so important, that the Red Sox should have catered to your musical tastes. While completely ignoring the fact that every single home game; most, not all, but most of the Fenway crowd loves, and sings along wtih Sweet Caroline. Gee, I suppose they thought it would lift the fans in attendance collective spirit to see and hear a live performance of the song by Neil himself. But, being totally out of touch with society as a whole, you wouldn’t get that all too simple concept. Would you?

      • zukith - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:52 AM

        Haha, just making sure. Either way, I think harry could teach a class on trolling. He certainly gets a whole buncha people’s panties in a bunch.

        I’ll go back to lurking now.

      • groupofsevenrules - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:14 PM

        Sewerbear, even though you MEAN to miss the point in the furtherance of your brain-dead “analysis” of a comment, you miss the point you mean to miss without understanding why you missed it. Moreover, in the same spirit in which you totally blew Gator’s Mormon comments, you can’t seem to register that yes, Gator totally understands the simplistic and sentimental level of manipulation meant to “lift the spirits” of the Fenway crowd. What he objects to, and what, among many other things, you don’t get, is that such a “lift” is a cheat based on kitsch gratification. Don’t hurt your head contemplating things. The simple fact is, Gator’s comments operate at a level where you can’t go because you’re ignorant, determined to remain that way, thoughtless, and determined to remain that way, and horribly, viciously resentful of his learning and sophistication, and doomed to remain that way. If anyone here is out of touch, I’d have to say that it’s you – out of touch with thinking about anything beyond the horizon of your nose.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:25 PM

        If Old Felcher understands the sentimentality – then maybe he should have just STFU about it. Ever think of that? The fact he didn’t; again is more evidence of how out of touch with reality he is.

      • moogro - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM

        I’ve seen this movie before. You guys will punch until exhaustion and then hug it out, to a round of applause.

      • groupofsevenrules - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:09 PM

        No, quite the contrary – it’s the obligation of educated people to point out problematic patterns of behavior in culture. Gator’s just doing the job that he has done quite well during his professional career as a cultural critic. His obligation is assuredly NOT to pretend to ignore these patterns, in this case the manipulation of mass emotions via kitsch, and bury his heads in the sand. It is precisely to point them out and object to them. Add that to the long list of matters you don’t even marginally understand.

        Of course in your case, your resistance to any intelligent response to matters that are over your head appear to be rooted in how psychosexually arrested you seem to be in the latency period of infantile development. You’re a textbook neofreudian’s case of the need for punishment, like coming back over and over to make a fool of yourself and earn the widespread opprobrium and ridicule of many other posters here, You display other classic symptoms of being mired in an unresolved infantile latency period, not the least of which are your voyeuristic fantasies of excretia (and even your obsession with “felching,” which subordinates genital discharges to the rectum), or your projection – which Gator noted, correctly I think – of your malformed subjectivity onto others. I’ve noted that before with respect to your reactions and comments to criticism of your commernts in general. It’s also part of your overall pathology.

        I’ve written before, as a counsellor, that you need help. You do. You really do. It’s too bad that you can’t see how your behavior on this blog merely reinforces the problems that you have.

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM

        You must be such a leader in your field, to be able to glean all that, and make the corresponding diagnosis from a comments section on a baseball blog. Congratulations! Excretia? Again – Old Felcher is the one who continually references feces; not me. If you would actually take the time to read comments that would be more than crystal clear to you.

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:41 PM

        For reasons best known only to himself, seven – who, you don’t seem to want to accept, is a pro at this – can “glean” insights into your many problems from what you write. People who are trained at this kind of thing can do that. Dumbsquat ignoramuses like you, understandably, can’t figure that out. For example, here he has just pointed out to you that you obsessively project your own pathologies onto others, in this case your obsession with excretia, and here you go doing precisely what he “gleaned.”

      • vivabear - Apr 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM

        It’s being projected, correctly, onto you Old Felcher – since it’s an incorrect assumption. Is that really difficult to understand? Maybe get Felchee’68 out of your gimp room, and have him explain it to you.

      • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 5:36 PM

        Nothing about your pathologies are difficult to understand, because you’re a simpleton. You aren’t even fit to be the janitor on Cur’s ward.

  20. emdash01 - Apr 25, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    It takes a special sort of talent to get 16 hits, two of them home runs, and only get 3 runs out of it, but the Nats found a way. Part of it is that the lineup order makes little sense (Harper needs to hit higher, Desmond needs to hit lower until he gets out of his slump, and Span should on no account get the most plate appearances), but it has to be a certain combination of poor approach and poor luck to get that result too.

    Everyone playing got a hit, not one came with a runner in scoring position.

    • themuddychicken - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:45 AM

      It was exhausting to watch, so many wasted opportunities, especially once you include those two walks in the same inning. With 18 guys reaching base, it’s really too bad that none of the other 16 were on base when either of the 2 HR were hit.

      Glad I was able to make the last metro, but extra inning games are much more fun on the weekends.

      • natstowngreg - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:13 PM

        Glad you made it. I’ve been in that situation a few times. They still haven’t gotten someone to pay to keep Metro open after long weeknight games. Never mind that Nats Park was built to rely on Metro to get fans in and out.

        The Lerners could afford it, but it would violate one of their basic development business practices–getting others to pay for things for them. Like Nats Park itself. MLB doesn’t want to set that kind of precedent, either.

      • natstowngreg - Apr 25, 2014 at 12:20 PM

        As for the game itself, a variation on a theme, repeated from last season. The same inability to take advantage of opportunities, offensively. The same inability that helped put the Nats in a hole so deep, their August-September run wasn’t enough to get them to the playoffs.

  21. pwshrugged - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    That Kluber game for the Indians was almost a Maddux (see: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/20/introducing-the-maddux/).

    He threw 101 pitches; had there not been an error that allowed the single run to score, it would have been a sub-100 pitch CG shutout.

  22. APBA Guy - Apr 25, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    I almost hate to interrupt OG’s string of creative insults, but I have a message for sTex:

    My sympathies, brother.

    The A’s just came off a frustrating series sweep at the hands of the Rangers, where it seemed like Mike Maddox voodoo had worked for every Rangers pitcher. I didn’t see the A’s hit one mistake pitch the entire series.

    Then Donaldson put one off the train in the top of the first, and that was the high point for the Astros, sadly.

    It’s one thing to lose, it’s another to lose cluelessly. Porter needs to go.

    • Old Gator - Apr 25, 2014 at 11:34 AM

      Domini domini domini, you are forgiven, brother. Interrupting my stream of insults might be a little like washing out an army ant march in mid-column, but I’ve always got another mound to kick open when needed.

  23. penguins87and71 - Apr 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    I wonder what type of prospects will get for, Liriano, Volquez, Martin, and Grilli at the trade deadline?

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