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Brian Cashman: CC Sabathia dealing with “degenerative changes” in his right knee

May 14, 2014, 10:15 PM EDT

CC Sabathia AP

Following Saturday’s start against the Brewers in which he allowed four runs in 5 1/3 innings, Yankees starter CC Sabathia landed on the disabled list due to fluid build-up in his right knee, which required draining.

Per Meredith Marakovits of the YES Network, Yankees GM Brian Cashman says that Sabathia is dealing with “degenerative changes” in his knee, adding that the left-hander will receive a cortisone shot with stem cells on Thursday and that there is no timetable for his return.

Marakovits added, for perspective:

Over eight starts spanning 46 innings, Sabathia has a 5.28 ERA with a 48/10 K/BB ratio. He has allowed a whopping 58 hits, though, and ten of them are home runs.

  1. strangebrew22 - May 14, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    He’s a big dude. Not really surprising.

  2. renaado - May 14, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    There in NY has a new ace in town. And that’s the “Z man” Tanaka.

    • aresachaela - May 14, 2014 at 11:37 PM

      Woohoo! I didn’t knew you root for 2 teams Ren! Welcome to the club XD.

      • renaado - May 14, 2014 at 11:48 PM

        What are you talkin about? I’ve been followin Tanaka for 4 years already ever since he joined the Major Leagues. It’s very clear I’m a fan of the player, not the team he’s currently playin.

      • aresachaela - May 14, 2014 at 11:55 PM

        Boooo… boooooo… 😦 .

  3. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - May 14, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    Beltran sounds like a good example, but Matsui and Jones basically had knee problems end their careers. Not the greatest situation of those are the best “success’ examples to cite.

    • straightouttavtown - May 15, 2014 at 12:23 AM

      Andruw is playing in Japan by choice and had offers this past offseason but enjoyed his time in Japan. He’s still an active player.

      • renaado - May 15, 2014 at 2:42 AM

        Truly, not to mention he’s playin clearly well with the Rakuten Golden Eagle durin that time leadin homerun leader and Rbi man for the team massing 26 hr and 94 rbi’s last year. Currently a below .250 hitter there but is a definite threat when there’s RISP, certainly a power hitter with a productive at bat.

        2014 season for Jones: .

        39 games
        .235 avg
        13 hr 31 rbi
        31 hits in 132 ab’s
        31 walks and 43 strikeouts
        Not to mention 1 stolen base.

    • renaado - May 15, 2014 at 2:59 AM

      End their careers you said? For Matsui yes but Jones is not.

      Andruw Jones is currently tied with Wily Mo Pena both hitting 13 homers, leading the Pacific League in that category.

      • dan1111 - May 15, 2014 at 9:11 AM

        Even for Matsui the statement is questionable. He had several productive years after knee surgery, and he played into his late 30s–an age at which almost all players decline.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - May 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM

        Allow me to correct myself. “…end their careers as effective outfielders.” Yes, Jones can still swing hard and run into pitches, but I think you can draw a pretty clear line between Jones’ career before his knee problems and after.

      • renaado - May 15, 2014 at 9:23 PM

        Oh, I see. Sorry I should’ve understand it more clearly. Your statement there are clearly facts, Jones has really lost his effectiveness in the outfield cause of those injuries. There with the Rakuten Eagles he’s primarily been used as a 1st Baseman now and DH when in Interleague Play, The “Outfielder” Andruw Jones is now in the History books.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - May 15, 2014 at 10:51 PM

        God bless Andruw for continuing to perform in Japan. What I am saying is, if those are the best examples of success stories from this particular treatment, the Yankees should be worried about CC’s future. These were not unqualified success stories.

  4. pisano - May 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM

    ….and don’t forget about changes in his left arm, keep handing out those 7 to 10 year contracts, and the Yankees will be eating tons of money.

    • Kevin S. - May 15, 2014 at 7:39 AM

      Meh, they got four excellent years out of him on the front end. That’s how these contracts go – surplus up front, dead weight on the back. The problem is when you don’t really get that surplus value in the beginning. I’ll take the eight years and $191 million they committed to CC over the eight years and $180 MM they gave Teixeira any day.

      • dan1111 - May 15, 2014 at 8:17 AM

        They only got one good year out of him after renegotiating a contract extension. Letting him opt out after 2011 would have ended up looking awfully smart.

      • Kevin S. - May 15, 2014 at 10:07 AM

        Yes, that’s true. Never would have happened, unfortunately.

  5. bronxbomber213 - May 14, 2014 at 11:24 PM

    Show of thumbs on who thinks he’s done (meaning he can’t improve from his current “funk”). You hate to count the dude out but it’s an uphill battle especially when he’s landing on it 100 time a night!!

    • dan1111 - May 15, 2014 at 9:12 AM

      “Done” is a bit extreme for me. But I’ll be quite surprised if he goes back to being a horse.

  6. 461deep - May 15, 2014 at 12:31 AM

    Yes. Landing constantly on a degenerative knee with 275 pounds at least is not good. Doubtful if cortisone or stem cells will help for too long since he will probably be pounding on the knee way too much. Figure stem cells need time to take after being injected so CC may be out longer than 2-3 weeks. While cortisone is time tested and usually helps, stem cell therapy is still very new now but holds wonderful future expectations. Too late for me as I’ll be a daisy root by then

  7. ch0psuey - May 15, 2014 at 12:43 AM

    Brian Cashman get cancer

    • TheMorningStar - May 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM

      No, don’t ever speak bad about the Cash man lest the ‘Cashman apologists’ will rise en masse to attack!!!

      • dan1111 - May 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

        Surely there are at least one or two people who have an opinion other than defending every single thing he does or wishing a deadly disease on him.

      • TheMorningStar - May 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM

        Watch out dan1111, you’re now in their crosshair(s)!

        Nobody is wishing ill will towards the man, but their is a sizable number of commentors who feel Cashman can do no wrong (‘teflon Cashman’). Any successful personal move (however few) is 100% due to Cashman; every poor personal move (and their are many) is 100% due to ownership.

        Just wait, the aplogists will blast this post soon.

  8. drewzducks - May 15, 2014 at 1:43 AM

    Only 48M the next two years. Wise investment.

  9. barrywhererufrom - May 15, 2014 at 7:29 AM

    CC led the yanks to a world championship. Many fools on here wish their team had one. It would really stink if his career ended because of this but the Yankees needed to sign him and it did take the extra years to get him.

    • dan1111 - May 15, 2014 at 8:24 AM

      Signing him was a good move, but what about extending him? They could have let him opt out after 2011.

      • anxovies - May 15, 2014 at 9:29 AM

        In 2011, he was 30 years old and 19-8 with a 3.00 ERA in 237 innings. In 2012, he was 15-6 with a 3.38 ERA in 200 innings. Apparently, you are clairvoyant and knew back in 2011 that he was going to decline and suffer injuries but didn’t share this information with Cashman, which would have been the decent thing to do. This is your fault.

      • dan1111 - May 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM

        @anxovies, admittedly there is some 20/20 hindsight going on. I think you can make a case that not extending him would have been the smarter move even given what they knew in 2011, but obviously it wasn’t so clear then.

        However, my main point is that if you are evaluating the wisdom of the Yankees’ contract offer to him, the extension is what is relevant.

    • TheMorningStar - May 15, 2014 at 9:56 AM

      Jon Lester led his team to 2 championships…you can keep CC and his outrageous contract extension.

  10. happytwinsfan - May 15, 2014 at 8:50 AM

    If the idea is to get most of your gazillion dollars worth of value in the first half of the contract, I don’t understand why teams don’t just pay most of the gazillion during the front end, on either a shorter contract or with less on the back end, perhaps giving the player an opt out on the back end in case he’s still going strong. If the idea is to avoid the luxury tax, all they’re really doing is delaying it.

    • dan1111 - May 15, 2014 at 9:09 AM

      Luxury tax is based on the average annual value of contracts, so how teams structure it isn’t relevant.

      All else being equal, teams would prefer to pay money later rather than now. Money in the future is worth less than money now, because you can invest in the mean time. Also a front-loaded contract with an opt-out would be worse for teams. With a normal contract, the team at least has a chance of getting some value out of the later years. With the contract you describe, they pay the same amount but have no chance of getting value out of those years.

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