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The Mets are complaining about Citi Field again

May 16, 2014, 11:03 AM EDT

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The Mets scored lots of runs against the Yankees in Yankee Stadium and then came back to Citi Field and the offense sputtered again, resulting in back-to-back shutouts. Terry Collins was asked about whether the ballpark has something to do with it:

One night after making the claim that three fly-ball outs would have been home runs in Yankee Stadium, he said he believes Citi Field’s dimensions were a major factor in going from scoring 21 runs in the Bronx to zero at home.

“A lot of it has to do with that, for sure,” he said.

If Collins is even acknowledging it with quotes like that you have to figure that a lot of Mets players are complaining about it privately.

Which, at this point, is pretty lame. They’ve been in that park a long time. It plays big, yes, but it plays big for both sides. And the Mets’ side, it should be noted, has not been nearly as talented as the visitors’ side for quite a while now. The last two days they faced Masahiro Tanaka and a fresh bunch of powerful bullpen arms. It happens.

Play better or go get players who are better. Quit putting it on the park.

  1. jss1330 - May 16, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    Or serve Shake Shack to the visiting team

    • Andee - May 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM

      This whole Shake Shack fiasco still can’t stop me from eating their food.

      • karlkolchak - May 16, 2014 at 11:03 PM

        Death comes early to the dumb.

      • Andee - May 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM

        Enjoy your salad, I guess?

  2. jbriggs81 - May 16, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    I have no doubt that Citi field contributed to the disparity in the runs scored, however that was not even close to being the biggest factor in the last two games. Tanaka was awesome and just kicked their butts in the first game. Maybe they could have scored some runs in the second game against Chase Whitley, but Whitley’s changeup and slider kept the Mets off balanced enough that they couldn’t made good contact. When Whitley looked a little fatigued, Girardi had a quick hook and brought in Betances, Warren and Robertson who shut down the Mets. Perhaps some balls would have been hit out in Yankee Stadium, but give some credit to the opposing pitchers.

    • ctony1216 - May 16, 2014 at 11:58 AM

      The Mets struck out 14 times and had only 2 fly-ball outs (both to left field) in Game 2. But, hey, maybe some of those K’s would have been HR’s in Yankee Stadium.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - May 16, 2014 at 12:02 PM

        I was just going ask, which ballpark can you hit a HR on a strikeout?

      • mikhelb - May 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM

        “I was just going ask, which ballpark can you hit a HR on a strikeout?”

        Fenway and Coors Field.

  3. Old Gator - May 16, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    So hit more singles and doubles and lay out some bread for some proven sluggers. I mean, Bud Light assures us that the Wilpoons have plenty of money to spare, right?

    That or just move the damned fences in and shut up already.

    • xdj511 - May 16, 2014 at 12:29 PM

      They already moved the fences in. It didn’t shut anybody up.

      • Old Gator - May 16, 2014 at 2:35 PM

        Move them in again, then.

        Of course, all this begs the reality that the teams that keep beating them at Citifield are playing with the same dimensions the Mutts are playing with.

  4. dohpey28 - May 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    Yes it plays for both sides, however there is a huge difference when you come in for a 3 game series as opposed to playing 81 games there. It’s obvious the park has a mental effect on the home players. How many times do you run into a brick wall before your confidence wanes and doubt creeps in. Going up to the plate is about confidence. If you go up there knowing that even if you do everything right and hit the ball on the screws odds are the ball is staying in the park, doubt creeps in and you’re screwed. This hasn’t been a short term thing, it’s been long enough now to see it does effect Mets hitters. Look at David Wright’s numbers pre citi and post citi and telk me the park isn’t a mind screw.

  5. elguapo16 - May 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    I see Terry’s comments more as an explanation as to why they didn’t score as many runs at home. Like, “yes, the park is a factor why we didn’t score as many runs….but we know that and we rely on our pitching. They didn’t score many runs either.”

    Not trying to be an apologist, but I think the writer’s inferences are more inflammatory than Collins’ remarks.

    • jm91rs - May 16, 2014 at 11:43 AM

      I logged in just to make this same point. Pointing out a reason for low run scoring in the home park isn’t exactly complaining.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - May 16, 2014 at 12:04 PM

        It’s possible, but the Mets don’t really get the benefit of the doubt when they’ve done nothing but complain about the ball park dimensions since it opened. Hell, they’ve moved the fences in once already.

    • bolweevils2 - May 16, 2014 at 11:46 AM

      Right. Where is the alleged complaint? He was asked if Citi Field was a major factor in how many runs you score compared to Yankees Stadium, and he said yes. Which is undoubtedly true over the long run. He didn’t say it was unfair, or why they lost. He just said you score less runs at Citi Field than at Yankee Stadium.

      In the 4 games with the Yankees it had even more to do with the pitchers the Yankees used at the Stadium vs. Citi, but it’s hard to argue he was wrong saying you’ll score less runs at Citi.

  6. dluxxx - May 16, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    I remember when people were complaining that Target Field killed a bunch of homers. After the first year, things got back to more normal rates. Sure, it does play a little long in the center, but pull hitters like Thome and Willingham showed that both Righties and Lefties can get the ball out if they hit it down the line.

  7. bilunov77 - May 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Reblogged this on GLOBAL HARDWARE (GH) à paris sur SOCIETE.COM ….

  8. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - May 16, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    Striking out six times in a row won’t help you score runs in any park.

    • jbriggs81 - May 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM

      It was actually 7 in a row… Betances threw 6 and then Warren had another.

  9. tcostant - May 16, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    Citibank shareholders are still complaining that they are paying the Mets for naming rights. To bad.

  10. DelawarePhilliesFan - May 16, 2014 at 11:51 AM

    If I am not mistaken, after Chase Utley and David Wright were tied for most HR’s in that park

  11. echech88 - May 16, 2014 at 11:53 AM

    Don’t the A’s, Dodgers, Angels and Giants play in some of the most pitcher friendly parks in the league? Hasn’t seemed to stop them from having success in the past 10+ years.

    Put together a better team and it won’t matter.

  12. scoutsaysweitersisabust - May 16, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    The city of New York should immediately vote to approve a brand NEW stadium. One that better fits the team and their needs. The old, dusty ballpark just isn’t getting it done anymore.

    • illuminancer - May 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM

      In order to be closer to the heart of their fan base, they really should move to upstate New York. Or maybe Connecticut.

  13. hojo20 - May 16, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    They should’ve just redone Shea Stadium, same with Yankee Stadium.

    • thebadguyswon - May 16, 2014 at 12:54 PM

      Come on man….I loved Shea too. But Citi is much nicer.

  14. thebadguyswon - May 16, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    Ok….but where’s the proof that players are complaining again?

    • dsteaker - May 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

      BINGO.

  15. tbutler704 - May 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    The Mets are such whiners. AT&T park is big too, didn’t stop the Giants from winning a couple World Series there.

    • dsteaker - May 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

      Read the article, the author has no idea that the Mets are complaining.

  16. chip56 - May 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    And the Mets keep compounding the problem by bringing in exactly the wrong players to play in a park that big. Curtis Granderson should never have been considered by the Mets, they should have focused on a gap to gap hitter like Choo instead of an all or nothing HR hitter.

  17. miguelcairo - May 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Does Terry Collins know that at one point years ago, their ballpark would have been the smallest in the game? You CAN win games without the benefit of a homerun…

  18. dsteaker - May 17, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    The title should be “Mets might be complaining”, because in your article you speculate that they’re complaining, so obviously you don’t know that they’re complaining do you? TC wasn’t complaining he was merely stating a fact. Good journalism there. Why don’t you ask some Mets and see if your guess is correct. Ubboy.

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