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Why isn’t there more women’s baseball?

Jun 8, 2014, 9:38 AM EST

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Emma Span has an editorial in the New York Times noting that, despite what most people think, softball is not “women’s baseball.” It’s a totally different sport and that women can and should be playing baseball in greater numbers. They’re not, though, and after walking through the history of women and girls in baseball and the misinterpretation of the two sports and, in some cases, Title IX, she concludes:

What if we just admitted that softball and baseball are not, in fact, “separate but equal” but entirely different sports? There is no rational basis to claim that girls can’t throw overhand, run 90 feet between bases or handle a hardball. And there is no reason but sexism to prevent them from doing so.

It is rather nuts that there aren’t women’s baseball teams in high school and college. It’s even more nuts to think that the same women who excel in softball, basketball and other sports wouldn’t do the same thing in baseball.

A good, thought-provoking read.

126 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. sportsfan18 - Jun 8, 2014 at 3:27 PM

    They don’t have any balls to grab at and scratch…

    They don’t like to spit…

    There’s NO crying in baseball…

    The hats mess up their hair…

    The uniforms cover too much when they are trying to get sun…

    Chicks dig the long ball and they can’t hit the long ball… even on Roids…

    • tfbuckfutter - Jun 8, 2014 at 3:37 PM

      Does being an idiot hurt, or is it just blissful serenity?

      • sportsfan18 - Jun 8, 2014 at 5:54 PM

        Unlike you, I took NONE of what I wrote seriously…

        Tongue in cheek…

      • juanvinny - Jun 8, 2014 at 9:55 PM

        Jesus, you honestly took offense to that? Did your wife take your sense of humor too when she left you for another woman?

    • don444 - Jun 10, 2014 at 5:42 AM

      An idiotic offering by a no-doubt idiotic individual. I’d say you should be ashamed, but the reality of such an observation would clearly be lost on a simpleton such as yourself.

      • don444 - Jun 21, 2014 at 11:34 PM

        All you clowns who marked this comment down can go **** yourselves, simple as that.

    • drewsylvania - Jun 12, 2014 at 4:00 PM

      The problem with this attempt at sarcasm is that there are plenty of idiots who actually think in these ways.

      • juanvinny - Jun 12, 2014 at 8:25 PM

        Oh yes. Just because you don’t LIKE. a comment, that makes it incorrect…. I forgot, liberals come here as well…

        Call me the next time you pass a bunch of women playing baseball somewhere. Or the next time you see thousands of people clamor in for more women’s sports…

        If there was a market they would have it.

        Ignorant douche nozzles….

  2. musketmaniac - Jun 8, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    chiadam it’s worse than that. the pc shyt does more than it does good. you rarely see mens billiards or bowling on Espn like you did in the eighties. Women’s bowling and women’s billiards is on though. Espn needs keep its percentages correct. and they still need to get the billiard and bowling money from advertisement. and no I do not consider these real sports, but I do see an injustice.

    • tfbuckfutter - Jun 8, 2014 at 3:44 PM

      I would say less bowling and billiards on TV, regardless of gender, is a step in the right direction.

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

      bowling on Espn like you did in the eighties.

      Pretty sure ESPN shows bowling every 1pm on sundays, but you are most likely watching the NFL. However, as tfb mentions, less bowling, regardless of gender, the better.

      Espn needs keep its percentages correct…but I do see an injustice.

      Let me guess, you’re one of the people who wants to know why we don’t have a “white history month”, right?

      • tfbuckfutter - Jun 8, 2014 at 4:05 PM

        I’m willing to bet that ESPN, like most networks who are interested in making money, broadcast what they broadcast because it’s the best option for them to draw viewers and advertising dollars.

        The fact that there are a few exceptionally attractive female billiards players compared to what I assume is still a group of gentlemen with nicknames that invoke both their city of origin as well as their physical girthiness may also somewhat factor into the aforementioned equation.

    • don444 - Jun 10, 2014 at 5:48 AM

      To state that it’s “nuts” that there aren’t more women’s baseball teams in high school and college is plain dumb and an obvious overstatement to say the least as if there was some huge, across-the-board sentiment and movement amongst girls and women playing softball to transition those endeavors into baseball teams, be they officially sanctioned or not, then you’d be seeing that and you aren’t. With that said and on a slightly unrelated topic, the hard cold and very obvious truth is that the majority of sports fans are male and the average man is plain and simply not broad-minded enough to appreciate female athletics of any kind in any real way and, while slowly changing perhaps, that remains the reality of the situation as of 2014.

      • don444 - Jun 15, 2014 at 4:40 AM

        Whoever dared to mark my comment down can get the balls as what I said there is perfectly true regardless of whether or not you cared to hear it.

  3. musketmaniac - Jun 8, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    I apologize to you citation, I can not help that your mother does not love you. And I can care less about bowling or white history month. I spent my entire adult in the bar and restaurant business. And I have played half the players who would see on espn in billiards during the eighties and nineties. For many years I opened a sports bar six days a week at 9am. a dozen T.v.s all on sports channels. men’s bowling. men’s billiards and female fitness dominated early morning sports channels. Those spots today are filled with talk shows. and there is a ton of female bowling and billiards on espn secondary channels. so once again for the cheap seats. men’s billiards and bowling used to air over a dozen times a week each, on espn. Now its not. but don’t worry on espn classic as we speak is the 2004 women’s billiard championship. at 6pm is the women’s trick shot magic.

    • baberuthslegs - Jun 8, 2014 at 6:17 PM

      Bad form to mention someone’s mother in your reply.

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 8, 2014 at 7:50 PM

      And I can care less about bowling

      Really?

      musketmaniac: you rarely see mens billiards or bowling on Espn like you did in the eighties.

      Sounds to me like you actually do care about bowling…

      For many years I opened a sports bar six days a week at 9am. a dozen T.v.s all on sports channels. men’s bowling. men’s billiards and female fitness dominated early morning sports channels.

      For not caring about it, you seem to mention it a lot. Also who cares what was being shown in the 80s. Do you still pine for the days when M*A*S*H* was on?

      men’s billiards and bowling used to air over a dozen times a week each, on espn.

      Maybe because no one wants to watch these sports? Did that ever cross your mind? Why do you think so many Yankees/Red Sox games, or Patriots/Steelers/Cowboys games are on prime time? Because lots of people like to watch them. It’s the same reason ESPN dropped the NHL, because the ratings were awful.

      I’d figure someone in a business would understand this, and not try to blame women for it…

  4. papajack1259 - Jun 8, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    If a young female athlete showed interest and was trying out for a team say baseball, any coach or team would allow her to participate, I said earlier she would have to be extremely talented and be tough as nails emotionally…..just read a random assortment of these posts @NBC Talk!
    It would be Jackie Robinson like…I believe at some point. A Woman will pitch a Major League Baseball game and as a father of three girls I hope she wins

  5. musketmaniac - Jun 8, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    Billiards, to be more precise nine ball and/or straight pool paid my college tuition and bought my first business. So yes I think its a shame that Men’s Billiards are not on. I can care less about bowling or ladies fitness shows.

  6. juanvinny - Jun 8, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    Because not all women are lesbians….

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 8, 2014 at 10:04 PM

      Haha, sexism is so funny!!!

      • historiophiliac - Jun 8, 2014 at 11:20 PM

        Good game, COPO.

  7. ctony1216 - Jun 9, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    There is absolutely nothing to prevent girls from forming their own baseball teams and leagues. They don’t need Little League or their high schools to sanction it. Just do it. Form a club team, and compete against other club teams — either in middle school or high school or outside of school. If it gets to a point where there are enough girls playing baseball, then a school district might consider making it a HS sport.

    In the meantime, if girls want to play for their school’s baseball teams, they should be able to try out, and if good enough, make the team.

    Also, the idea that softball is “sexist” is kind of ridiculous. I mean, guys play fast-pitch softball too.

  8. drewsylvania - Jun 12, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    Is there enough interest in a women’s baseball league to start one, at the moment?

  9. profootballfan500 - Jun 15, 2014 at 2:03 AM

    Baseball and softball are indeed different sports but they require the same set of skills: running, fielding, throwing, batting and pitching. Thus, they offer similar physical challenges. Given this, I think it may be best if girls baseball were pitched, pun intended, as a sport played in the fall at the high school level. This would not only eliminate the need for boys and girls teams to compete for time on baseball diamonds, but, more importantly, it would enable girls who want to play softball in the spring to also play baseball in the fall.

    If enough interest is generated at the high school level, that would put pressure on colleges to form women’s baseball teams. That in turn could lead to more professional opportunities for women in the sport.

  10. The Hitter - Jul 12, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    The only men who watch women’s sports seriously are men with daughters who play the sport or perverts watching children on skates or the uneven bars. What men can stand watching the WNBA? Even my daughter can’t stand it.

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