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Study: Phillies fans are the biggest bandwagon fans around

Jun 13, 2014, 9:32 AM EDT

Phillies fans AP

Presented without comment:

An analysis of Major League Baseball fans conducted by Emory Sports Marketing Analytics compared fan demand with winning percentage. Phillies fans are the most demanding on the study’s “win sensitivity” list. Next in line were fans of the Baltimore Orioles, Oakland Athletics and Chicago White Sox.

At the bottom of the ranking — the fans who attended games whether their teams were winning or losing — were the New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals.

OK, one comment: Please go back to the comments of any Phillies-related post at HardballTalk from, say, 2009-2011 and observe that the word “diehard” was used so often by Phillies fans to describe themselves that the Oxford English Dictionary considered making DiehardPhilliesFan its very own word.

But let’s not data interfere with a heartfelt belief.

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  1. stupidusername - Jun 13, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    What happened to my comment? Did it not post because I used the s*** word once?

    • yahmule - Jun 13, 2014 at 4:00 PM

      Yeah, they got squeamish about all the good swear words a while back.

    • stupidusername - Jun 13, 2014 at 4:12 PM

      fine, i’ll just summarize what I said:
      The original article’s first set of data in part 1 has “fan equity,” which has the Phillies ranked #4.

      Gloating about something like this is bizarre, the way you hate the Phillies fans and the city is bizarre. And why? Because for a few years they annoyed you? So now it’s your mission to put all of us in our place? Maybe 25 years of 0 championships in all 4 sports, combined with fans and whoever in all other cities dumping on us every year led to a little over excitement when we did have a winner. Perhaps that’s why you had so many boastful fans on here. I, myself, who reads this site, never did such things. Didn’t even find this site till 2012. There are far more fans like myself. And there’s no way you generalize the entire fan base on some commenters on HBT, right? Yet you keep harassing and annoying Phillies fans.

      Given the lack of championships, when there is a winner the fans grab on. It was a drastic increase in success with a similarly drastic decline. What other team has had such drastic spikes? The teams with “least amount of bandwagon fans,” the NYY, STL, BOS, MIA, LAD, ATL. All teams who you would expect to be there either from having a large fan base, consistent success, or just an average attendance no matter what. The rankings are simply based on how much attendance fluctuates with wins, but if a team is consistently winning the same amount of games then there is no fluctuating in attendance to measure. Being that they’re still 12th in the MLB and 1st in the NL East in total attendance with one of the worst teams in baseball it doesn’t make sense to say they are “the most bandwagon fans.”

      You really shouldn’t be gloating as if you won something.

      “But let’s not data interfere with a heartfelt belief.” You’re right, and maybe next time read the entire article and maybe use a bit of analysis when reading the data.

      • biasedhomer - Jun 13, 2014 at 5:05 PM

        Craig is a Braves fan, even though he may be a national blogger, he cannot hide is Braves fandom.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 13, 2014 at 6:31 PM

        You really shouldn’t be gloating as if you won something.

        He’s gloating because we, the non-Phans who have read this site for years, had to hear about how great the Phans were and how they always support their team, whether it was winning or losing. You may be new to the site, but this type of talk has been going on for years.

        Also again, you guys are so easy to troll it’s laughable. Any time a hint of anti-Phans comment is made, y’all come out in force as if someone put up a batsignal.

      • stupidusername - Jun 13, 2014 at 7:25 PM

        So it’s ok to harass (troll), but not ok to defend yourself. Got it.

        Aww you had to hear fans be, well, fanatical? It must have been rough. And if you didn’t like it, like everyone loves to say to Phillies fans on here, then why did you read it??

      • stupidusername - Jun 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM

        You also fail to see any reason why the fantacism was greater in Philadelphia. Being born in 1983 I was not even alive for a championship in any major sport. What other city with at least 4 teams didn’t have a single championship victory in any sport? And what other city gets s*** more than Philadelphia. If you lived in a city that didn’t see a single championship and was told your whole life about how bad of fans you were, generalized as the worst fans in the country, how you were losers because the teams you like are losers, how would you react when your team had such a great 5 years like the Phillies did? Be humble?… How about this, stop “trolling” fans (any city) and maybe the next time they become great they won’t be all up in your face about it.

      • zukny1 - Jun 13, 2014 at 9:23 PM

        Dude – BRAVO man! the douche that wrote this piece has issues.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - Jun 14, 2014 at 2:18 AM

        And which MLB team has been the victim of a no-hitter the most all-time? That would be the Phillies, 19 times, 2 more than the Dodgers.

  2. janessa31888 - Jun 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    This Phillies phans vs. Nationals fans smack talk is highly entertaining. Coming from a fan of a team that also gets terrible attendance due to a grudge against the owners (nobody likes Dolans!)

  3. 18thstreet - Jun 13, 2014 at 4:22 PM

    The more I think about this, and the more I read the comments, the more I remember the essential point: all fans are worst.

    • slappymcknucklepunch - Jun 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM

      18th street, are you like me and take 2013 as the gift it is and just say*$@& it. Let the kids play . The sox have a lot of money coming off the books in October and let’s see what happens? I mean my grandfather pitched in triple a for them in 1939 and was born in 1919. He died in 1988. Are we $@!#/^& lucky or what?

  4. phillysports1 - Jun 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Nationals Are the only NL EAST team without a World Series. If you want to add the Montreal days it gets even tougher.
    #poorNatsfans #poorRedskinsfans #poorWizardsfan #poorCapsfans

  5. mikhelb - Jun 13, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    Study made by a Braves fan who only attends during playoffs.

    • biasedhomer - Jun 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM

      What are you talking about? Braves have trouble drawing fans in the postseason as well.

  6. slappymcknucklepunch - Jun 13, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    The common theme I see here is,”WE deserve it”,”WE earned it”, “YOUR team sucks”,”YOUR team bought a FA”.

    The way I see it, other than the greatest catch ever made (by me) in legion ball in 1987; WE have not done one dammed thing to help the starting 9 other than to root for the home team. Let’s stop with the we, me, you, your b.s. Please?

  7. officialgame - Jun 13, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    An clueless bone head like Craig could not wait to write this story. Little two year old punk.

    • jimeejohnson - Jun 15, 2014 at 3:44 PM

      He’s a lot older than two. You from Philly?

  8. rcali - Jun 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM

    The smartest fans don’t support bad teams. End of story.

  9. ducksk - Jun 13, 2014 at 9:48 PM

    Overall, worst fans in all sports. Rude, obnoxious, bully’s. The city of brotherly love? Not even close.

  10. Youknowimright - Jun 13, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    Philly fans can be summed up quite simply. They are extremely loud and obnoxious when they win. They vanish as soon as the going gets tough. They are classless and deserve to be the losingest 4sport city in team sports.

  11. ndrick731 - Jun 14, 2014 at 1:25 AM

    It could be worse. It could be Atlanta where they don’t show up even when they win. Some of the teams they’re comparing them to have no fans to lose because they haven’t won in 20 years. An example would be the Pittsburgh Pirates.

  12. ndrick731 - Jun 14, 2014 at 1:26 AM

    I find it hard to believe that the Miami Marlins wouldn’t lead that. When they’re winning they have sellouts, when they’re losing they have about 3000 people in the stands. Sounds like a BS report to me

  13. patc14 - Jun 14, 2014 at 6:08 AM

    2 World Series titles in 132 years. Ten thousand loses. If anything got to most loyal fans. Easy to be fans of Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers or Cardinals. Give me a break with the Philadelphia bashing.

    • Youknowimright - Jun 14, 2014 at 7:29 AM

      Uhm, no.

    • jimeejohnson - Jun 15, 2014 at 3:43 PM


      • Youknowimright - Jun 16, 2014 at 7:15 AM

        Uhm, no again to you sir, as well.

  14. greymares - Jun 14, 2014 at 9:40 AM

    So the attendance drops to what the Braves draw on their best day so that makes them bandwagon fans, remarkable.

  15. jimeejohnson - Jun 15, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    It’s the cheesesteak! Once you eat one, you don’t care how bad the Philadelphia teams are.

  16. jimeejohnson - Jun 15, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    By the way: all you thin skinned Philadelphians must not be good at comprehension: Craig definitively mocks the study. But you live in the northeast where hate grows on trees.

  17. mgregory71 - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Funny how the study fails to mention that the Phillies, considering they are in LAST place in the NL East, still have a higher average attendace per game than Braves, Nats, Marlins and Mets. Also, has there ever been an increase in home attendance for any team when the team goes from first place to last place over 3 seasons??? I would most likely doubt it.

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