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Justin Verlander got shelled again

Jun 17, 2014, 9:16 AM EDT

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Is it time to panic in Detroit? Maybe not about the whole team — the Royals are hot and the Tigers are not and those things go back and forth all year — but Justin Verlander is definitely giving Tigers fans cause for concern.

Verlander was tagged for seven runs in six innings by the Royals. He allowed only one hit over the first three innings, but as has become custom for the former MVP, things blew up in the middle innings. Here it was the fifth, where he have up four runs on six hits. And it could’ve been worse but for Billy Butler being thrown out at home to end the inning. Verlander gave up three more runs in the sixth. His earned run totals over his past seven starts: 7, 7, 5, 3, 6, 5, 5.

As of now, Verlander’s ERA — 4.98 — is 91st among 99 qualifiers in the majors this year. While, according to the eye-test anyway, Verlander looks normal, something is definitely not right, be it mechanical, physical or mental.

  1. chill1184 - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:23 AM

    For Tigers fans sake you hope it’s just a mental thing and not the arm which would be sad because Verlander is awesome.

    • robmar924 - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:26 AM

      Not to be insensitive to Tigers fans, but the dude is killing my fantasy team.

      • yahmule - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM

        You have a right to your feelings. I’m tired of fantasy/roto players being second class citizens, subjected to the scorn of bite-sized bigots like Bob Costas.

    • thatsnuckinfuts - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:04 AM

      I’m done defending him. He hasn’t shown up ready to pitch in April or May for two straight seasons. Now here we are in June and he’s hot garbage. Tired of his excuses and tired of hearing that he will be pitching well in August. I wish they let him walk at this point, I’d rather they got the 1st round comp pick than pay him 28 million to go out there and pitch like a really bad 5th starter.

  2. ereed1286 - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    I’ts Kate.

    • renaado - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:42 AM

      Now that you mention it… I think a similar situation happened with a Matt Kemp some time ago when he’s datin Rihanna, he was strugglin durin that time too then bounced back a year after that. So probably.

    • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:48 AM

      Are you guys EVER going to be done with that? Do you think this is the first time he’s dated? I hope your significant others screw you up at work. Sheesh.

      • thatsnuckinfuts - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM

        You can’t take any joke that even has the hint of negativity towards women can you? I’m not the 1st to point this out either, but you just can’t stop. People on the internet love beating dead horses almost as much as they love meme. They’re usually dimwitted people who just love posting the same old joke they they never came up with in the first place. But what is your excuse?

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM

        1) That was not funny. If it was a joke, it was incredibly bad.
        2) I’m a woman, and it isn’t fun for me to listen to constant crap about women being men’s problems. I come here to read about baseball — not misogyny.
        3) I do, in fact, enjoy a good joke that makes fun of women sometimes — but this was not funny, very tired, and stupid. If you’ve never noticed me joking about that before, then you obviously haven’t read a number of my posts.
        4) I promise you if I went around here dropping a bunch of insults about dudes, you all would be all mad about it — so you can shove your double standard. If you would like me to start doing that, however, I would oblige you — but I have a lot of respect for a number of the male commenters on here and don’t really want to insult them…or the guys who play on my team (who I obviously give more credit to than you goofballs).

      • thatsnuckinfuts - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:23 AM

        1) Who cares what you consider funny? Funny is subjective

        2) No kidding – You have gotten into multiple arguments over your over-reaction with other posters in the past over minor stuff like this.

        3) so do other people, people who have a different sense of humor than you. Who are you to say what is funny?

        4) Yes, you should, bring it on, why don’t you take your soapbox and go on crusade and prove your point and see exactly what that gets you.

        Guy typed “It’s Kate”…. two words, and look at you, it speaks for itself, you should be embarrassed, but instead I’ll be embarrassed for you.

        And this is the only reply you’re going to get from me, as I have said I’ve seen you drag people into garbage like this too many times to allow me to go beyond this point.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:29 AM

        Man, please. Do you really think dudes whining about being called out for making sexist comments is in any way a criticism I consider legitimate? Also, please note the dudes who are not amused here either. Go on with your sad self. Here’s a kleenex…it may or may not have estrogen cooties on it from my purse.

      • thatsnuckinfuts - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:25 AM

        “Sadly, no I don’t think they will be. Kate Upton’s relationship with Justin Verlander is an easy target and jealousy is an ugly emotion. Rather than feel happy for the two of them people have to mock them or blame one for the other’s problems. That’s how some people roll, I guess.

        Frankly, I’m glad they have each other. They’ll understand the pressures each other face living life as a celebrity, and being in tabloids as the subject of every talking head’s worthless opinions. The commentary about them says more about the persons making the comments than anything relevant to the two of them.”

        Guy typed “It’s Kate” Nothing else, a lame joke that’s been said 1000000 times on the internet.

        And look how far you people are attempting to take those 2 words. Get a grip

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:13 AM

        You can’t take any joke that even has the hint of negativity towards women can you

        Why should she? I mean, the joke isn’t funny to begin with if it’s been made time and time again. Then the fact that it’s demeaning to women, why should she sit back and “take” it?

      • cur'68 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM

        Sadly, no I don’t think they will be. Kate Upton’s relationship with Justin Verlander is an easy target and jealousy is an ugly emotion. Rather than feel happy for the two of them people have to mock them or blame one for the other’s problems. That’s how some people roll, I guess.

        Frankly, I’m glad they have each other. They’ll understand the pressures each other face living life as a celebrity, and being in tabloids as the subject of every talking head’s worthless opinions. The commentary about them says more about the persons making the comments than anything relevant to the two of them.

      • timmmah10 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM

        Beating a dead horse? Or beating a Sarah Jessica Parker.

        (another example of beating a dead horse with a joke)

      • janessa31888 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM

        I agree. It irritates me that women get the blame for the guys struggles.

      • packer42390 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:30 AM

        I like how when men make jokes about women it is appalling and sexist but when women do the same thing (and they do, it isn’t up for debate), it is no big deal. It highly doubt Kate Upton is the reason for Verlander’s struggles, however, immensely and women all around the world slack on responsibilities wen they become infatuated with a significant other. It is also of note that people make the jokes about Kate Upton because they wish they were Justin Verlander and many of then WOULD forget about pitching if she was around. Last thing I have to say is, in that post, who is blaming the woman? For all you know, they are thinking that it is the guy who has the problem because he can’t keep it itogether enough to do his job..

      • renaado - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:32 AM

        Just makin an example.

        Women aren’t my problem ( Achaela’s fine… Even her bein a Yankee fan) nor any guys problem, but this is athletes were talkin about especially baseball players where they’ll still have a long season ahead of em and the fact that the ones they’re datin are celebrities too, so theirs goin to be some distraction.

      • robmar924 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        “It’s Kate” = She’s so fine, he can’t even focus on pitching = degrading women joke? Something about that math isn’t right. This has gone too far. Chilllllllllll

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:38 AM

        Yes, sir, man. I will do what you say right away! How dare I object to stupid comments about women. Thankfully, a guy like you is here to set me straight and tell me what is reasonable behavior for me to have. If only I would behave! It’s totally hilarious to reduce us to boobs and man distractions. Why waste time on an actual discussion of his performance and talking about pitching? That would be dumb. I CAN’T THINK STRAIGHT FROM THE BOOOOBZZZZZ!!!!!

      • thatsnuckinfuts - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM

        I said that the comment “It’s Kate” was an unoriginal, over-done joke from a dimwit
        I also pointed out (not the 1st too either) that she took those two words too far

        Her action is to insinuate I’m a misogynist.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:42 AM

        It’s hilarious how many of you have spazzed out here about being called out for this. Yeah, *I’m* the one overreacting. ha ha Don’t take our man-jokes. Waaaaaa!

      • miguelcairo - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM

        Take a chill pill woman.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM

        No. Why don’t you? And stop being a pig.

      • yahmule - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM

        “I hope your significant others screw you up at work. Sheesh.”

        It was great, but productivity really suffered and we were always worried about getting caught. Of course, that added to the excitement…

        Oh wait a minute, “screw you up at work.”

        Never mind.

      • tfbuckfutter - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM

        I think we can all agree that Kate is negatively affecting Justin’s career just like Justin is making Kate get fat and negatively affecting her career.

      • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:09 AM

        I like how when men make jokes about women it is appalling and sexist but when women do the same thing (and they do, it isn’t up for debate),

        Name some times, because I think you are full of ish. This is similar to the “debate” that “because women claim false rape” therefore “all rape accusations should be questioned”. Never mind that the former happens far, far less than the latter…

        Also, when you’re a women, and you get to read a column in a major national newspaper like the Washington Post say things like “being a ‘sexual assault victim’ conveys a status of privilege in this country,” maybe you ought to be pissed off at how some guys treat women?

      • fifthstarter - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:42 AM

        Holy crap, the men here crying and whining and thumbs-downing a woman telling you to stop making misogynist comments. You really do have nothing left without your misogyny, do you?

        As for Verlander, pitchers are mysterious creatures. The Tigers are going to be the next Phillies: overburdened with enormous contracts for aging and formerly good players.

      • tfbuckfutter - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM

        @fifthstarter, Look, this is getting really frustrating for us men who like tell bad jokes. I had to change all my Jew jokes to Pollock jokes to gay jokes and finally to women jokes. What am I supposed to do without those?

      • clydeserra - Jun 17, 2014 at 4:44 PM

        @thatsnuck its not funny. its lazy. lazy jokes are maddening without the misogyny.

        Add the misogyny its offensive. It should be called out.

  3. proudlycanadian - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    I am sure that he is cursed from being close to an Upton.

    • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:40 AM

      Really, pc?

    • indaburg - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:48 AM

      Justin or B.J.?

      • miguelcairo - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:57 AM

        Kate’s B.J.’s.

      • indaburg - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:35 AM

        Oh, that was hilarious.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM

        Any Upton.

    • nbjays - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM

      Good thing her last name’s not Uggla…

  4. pisano - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    See CC Sabathia, a lot of miles on those arms, there was only one freak of nature, and that was Nolan Ryan.

  5. emdash01 - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    Seems pretty likely he came back from his offseason surgery too soon – if he’s fine in the early part of the game and falls apart late, that points to a lack of endurance. Probably he needs to be DLed and given time to rest and rebuild strength, but it’s hard to say if he/the team can admit that.

  6. icanspeel - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Pretty soon every 5 days it will only be an article if he pitches well as opposed to another bad outing.

  7. hieronymous27 - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:38 AM

    On the one hand I give J.V. credit for not ducking the press and talking about what he is going through. On the other hand, it is getting old to hear him say he is working on what is wrong and is so close to fixing the problem. Shutting him down until after the All Star break, might not be a bad idea. After all, how much is he helping the team with the way he is pitching right now?

    • cur'68 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:03 AM

      I think you’re right. He needs a rest. He had abdominal surgery to repair a “core muscle injury” in January. Then he had six weeks off. Now I’m not a doctor, but I spent enough time dealing with people who’ve had major abdominal surgery and discussed the biomechanics and recovery time from that sort of thing to know the recovery time and side effects of that surgery. Its WAY more than 6 weeks. Sure, you’re healed up enough for day to day stuff but you are still sore and strain across the surgical site is noticeable and limiting.

      I think the most likely injury they’re hiding with that term “core muscle injury” would be an abdominal hernia (the dreaded sports hernia). His core strength has been affected and he might be really sore right now. Thus his pitch speed is down. What’s more he’s throwing while sore and probably trying to medicate the pain: that’s just begging for a re-injury or a compensation injury. The Tigers need to shut him down for another 6 weeks I think. Then he should get longer breaks between starts.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:36 AM

        I don’t know about 6 weeks, but at this point, Smyly wouldn’t be doing any worse, so they might as well use him more and give V some time off. At least they could push him farther between starts by manipulating the schedule (the way Beautiful Brad has been doing to use Smyly less/not back-to-back with Porcello).

  8. philliesblow - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:44 AM

    He looked a lot like Che Guevara,
    drove a diesel van
    His arm’s gone into seclusion,
    he’s getting humbled man…..

  9. nbjays - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:48 AM

    Stick him in the bullpen… he can’t make it any worse.

  10. papacrick - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    I don’t know but this arrogant d bag is painful to watch. Got the first four seats next to the Tigers dugout for Scherzer’s game tonight and it may be difficult to avoid heckling JV if I have to look over and see that smug look on his face all night. I’m sure that will hurt any chances my guests may have at getting a Miggy signature on something so I will try my best to behave

    • timmmah10 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:17 AM

      Papa – you’re getting a lot of negative thumbs, but he is arrogant. The dude dismisses his coaches when they come out to the mound. There’s intensity and then there’s just arrogance. Verlander has crossed that line this season…. probably because he has a rookie head coach.

    • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:22 AM

      Did you think he was an arrogant d-bag when he was winning or did you not care then?

      • papacrick - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:48 AM

        Yes I did. These athletes show their faces all over town like Royal Oak and Brimingham or even MGM Casino down by the park and anybody who has ever come into contact with rabbit face will tell you he’s a smug prick. Too many stories to spout off but don’t pretend like you’ve never heard them since you claim to live in this area. I’ve met several other Tiger players who couldn’t have been nicer although most of them not with the team any more (Granderson, Rodney, Dolsi, Willis, etc..). Then you factor in what Timmah10 mentioned with his lack of respect for the manager and trying to call shots on when he comes in or out of a game and you got the total package of a complete d bag. Dating Kate sure hasn’t helped deflate his super sized ego either. Would prefer they put him on waivers but we’d never be so lucky to get rid of a second albatross contract in two years

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:33 PM

        Well, you should note that when Beautiful Brad went out to pull Max, His Heterochromianess gave him the DIC-eye and refused to go too. Pitchers have egos. That’s the way it goes. Is it fun to root for nice guys? Yes. But holding it against a pitcher because he doesn’t like to be pulled from a game and believes he can get it done is ridiculous. That’s what you *want* a pitcher to be like. If you have any evidence that his ego is keeping him from listening to his pitching coach or making adjustments, give that — because that would actually be an issue. Frankly, I’d like to know if that was the problem.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:35 PM

        PS, I do not claim to live in that area. I have never lived in that area. I live in Oklahoma and I am a diehard Tigers fan.

  11. hushbrother - Jun 17, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    I don’t know if it’s time to panic in Detroit, but Verlander sure hasn’t been pitching like a lad insane recently.

  12. mungman69 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:11 AM

    Let’s see, he’s pitched a ton of innings and now he gets lit up in the middle innings. How is his pitch speed? Sounds like some tired muscles in there. SHUT HIM DOWN!

    • georgewashingtonsghost - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:52 AM

      I’m not a scout, but from what I see and read and hear, his arm is fine. I didn’t catch any of last night’s game, but I know in his previous start his FB averaged 95 and he hit 99. Jim Bowden was saying that he watched video of JV from 2012 and noticed that his arm angle has changed with the result being his fastball doesn’t have the movement that it did previously. Whatever it is, hopefully JV and Jeff Jones can get this worked out because the Tigers are going to need a much better version of JV going forward.

  13. timmmah10 - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    I predict a DL stint before or just after his next start.

    Get ready for more Robbie Ray.

  14. dtownbeatdown - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Even the players that get out by him are still making good contact. Nobody is fooled by any of his stuff, and when you are a supposed “elite” pitcher that is throwing 93 mph heat will not get it done.

    Not to mention he was shopping with Kate Upton 3 hours before the game. Really not getting his head in the game, but he has got his money. I doubt he cares.

    And on a side note how does Ausmus leave in Evan Reed after he allowed 5 hits 1 error 5 runs and did not get one out in that time frame. Terrible managing.

  15. 18thstreet - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    Stuff like this (and Sabathia) is why the Red Sox are hesitant to extend Lester. The mileage adds up.

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:11 AM

      I’d be leery too, especially if he’s asking for a six or seven year deal. The first couple of years could be good but you are going to hamstring your team at year 5+.

    • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:20 AM

      Yep.

      Two weeks ago I was all “wooooo, Wainwright if awesome mofo’s”.

      Today, I am all “please be okay Adam’s elbow, dear dog, please be okay.”

  16. doctorofsmuganomics - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    yeah yeah, whatever. More importantly, Billy Butler continues to own the tigers

    • dtownbeatdown - Jun 17, 2014 at 10:57 AM

      He got doubled off from center field to second base as he sat at third unaware that the ball was caught, and was thrown out at home later in the game. I wouldn’t call that owning them. I call that dumb baseball.

      • doctorofsmuganomics - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:21 AM

        Look at the stats, my man.

        Billy Butler eats the cats for breakfast. covered in his signature line of bbq sauce

    • dtownbeatdown - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:42 PM

      Don’t get me wrong billy used to own the tigers. But after he lost that baby fat he hasn’t been the same.

  17. hieronymous27 - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Getting back to baseball – 18th Street makes a valid point. Teams like the Tigers and Yankees are wedded to contracts that will represent a a bad return on their investment. Who is to say that the same thing that has happened to Verlander and Sabathia won’t happen to Lester or Scherzer? It seems that several times a week you read stories about some pitcher having arm issues and possibly surgery which will put them on the shelf for an extended period of time. I can’t blame any general manager for letting a pitcher walk away by signing a big contract with some other club. It just seems like the odds are stacked against a team when you hand out long term deals and pay astronomical amounts of money.

  18. yahmule - Jun 17, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Because my motor skills have declined as badly as Justin’s pitching abilities – through no fault of my wonderful wife I hasten to add – I inadvertently hit the trusty (and poorly situated) “report comment” icon. I’m not even sure whose probably completely innocuous comment I just reported – did I mention that button is in a stupid spot – but it was an accident.

    • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:52 PM

      If I said it was my comment, would you still feel badly about it?
      :-)

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        Are you picking a fight, paper?

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:41 PM

        Nope.

        Just joking. The disagreement already happened.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM

        Ok, then. How’s it going?

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM

        Good.

        Works been busy….every time I think I am about caught up and can work on a project I want to push forward, more things pop up that require my attention….but that is generally a good thing.

        Weather has been nice. I haven’t brought a single AC up from the basement yet. Low last night was about 55. We’ve had a few days in the low 80s, but it hasn’t been humid and warm at the same time yet.

        How are things with you? Any progress made in leaving OK?

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:49 PM

        I’m job-hunting. I have a time table and a moving fund going. I had hoped to have some packing done by now, but I’m teaching a summer class, and that sucks up quite a bit of time. It’s a lot to juggle.

        How are the puppies?

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:51 PM

        Pups are good. They are some kind of fantastical….not sure what my mental health would be without them.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM

        I still miss my puppy, but I can’t get another til I get settled somewhere. And then I’m going to take Chewbaca, one of my brother’s dogs. She’s a cutie.

        If things continue at this rate, I will not be using my heterochromial celebration glasses this post-season. :( Gloom, dispair, agony on meeeee….

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

        They’ve got the talent….it is hard to dominated baseball all season, to much random variation….of course, once you get to the post season, it is still pretty much a crap shoot….but if V can’t be V anymore, it will make the post season more challenging for the Tigers.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:59 PM

        The bullpen makes me want to drink myself into a coma.

        You might be experiencing Kozma! karma.

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:02 PM

        Which cities/regions are you applying to? Places that are familiar or with family….closer to more Tiger games?

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:06 PM

        My step-sister is in Seattle and she wants me to come there. She and my BIL send me pics of themselves at games to tease me. I’ve been applying to schools around and will go wherever I can get one of those jobs if it’s an option, but the academic market…. If I don’t find something for the fall, I will probably head to Seattle — if only to get away from this flaming pile of turd that’s getting worse daily. Did you see our Tea Party candidate that wants to stone gay people? Yeah.

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM

        Yeah, there is pretty much no amount of crazy or stupidity that will surprise me anymore. The US needs to break into multiple nations, quickly, and leave those that wish to remain in the dark ages to their own devices.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:10 PM

        In which case, I do not want to end up in that country.

        /hums Woody Guthrie’s Refugee

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:12 PM

        Yeah, there should be an agreement on where to draw the lines and then a 5 year period to let people migrate freely to settle where they wish to establish residency, then divide it up into multiple countries…probably at least 6 (NE, Midwest, SE, Texas, SW, and NW (California should get split up)….Alaska and Hawaii are on their own…and probably better off that way.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:23 PM

        Maybe like an American Union (AU) — we could trade freely but have our own sovereignty? Maybe we could finally get Canada that way. Texas should just be split between Nueva Espana and the Confederacy.

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:44 PM

        Yeah, an AU could work, essentially….like the current relationships with Canada and Mexico

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:46 PM

        Wouldn’t it be awesome to live in a country that makes Texans check their guns at the border? Their alleged heads would explode.

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM

        Hah. That would crack me up.

        Last night I got a call from a “professional solicitor”, I figured I would let her tell me who she was begging for prior to telling her I wasn’t interested….it is usually some kind of cancer charity or special olypics or some such. Anyway, she says she is calling for the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. I literally started laughing out loud….couldn’t be helped. I then said, “That is freaking hilarious. You have a good evening.” and hung up.

        That phone call still puts a smile on my face.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:57 PM

        Too funny. It’s nice you didn’t just cuss her.

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 3:02 PM

        Nah, she was just doing her job. I try to be polite to people that are just doing their jobs, even if they represent complete jackwagons.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 3:04 PM

        I guess that would be nicer than asking how many kids had died in school shootings this year.

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 3:08 PM

        I suppose a quiz wouldn’t have been a horrible idea, but I didn’t have the right answers on hand.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 3:09 PM

        I don’t think she would’ve either.

      • yahmule - Jun 17, 2014 at 8:44 PM

        I would, Lions. Even though we’ve squabbled over a few issues, I generally think you’re one of the best baseball fans around.

      • paperlions - Jun 17, 2014 at 8:45 PM

        I know.

        Just trying to be funny.

        We ain’t got to always agree, that wouldn’t be interesting or fun.

  19. sportsfan18 - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    Disclaimer, I do not root for the Tigers.

    At the beginning of this season when they said Verlander was going to be the opening day starter and not the defending A.L. Cy Young winner Max, I said I disagreed with that.

    Yes, Justin HAS been their ace, but his decline, for those who care to look for it, began LAST season and Max out pitched Justin last season.

    The Cy Young winner deserves to pitch on opening day, especially if he’s on the same team that he won the Cy Young award with.

    I have nothing against Justin or C.C. as both of those pitchers have had great seasons and given it their all. They are great competitors, but Father Time catches everyone at some point and catches folks at different times.

    OF course, whoever gives Max a 5, 6 or 7 yr deal will regret it too as in a few years from now he will fall off too…

    Robby Cano’s 10 yr deal is a huge mistake.

    Miggy’s extension was a huge mistake.

    Pujols – mistake

    But, I don’t blame the players as any of us would sign too especially since the money is guaranteed.

    • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM

      Politics. Sigh.

    • normcash - Jun 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM

      I’m with you on all this except Miggy. He can probably be a top hitter for many more years,
      assuming he stays healthy—a right-handed Ortiz…

  20. janessa31888 - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:14 PM

    It’s been a tough year for pitchers named Justin. Masterson has been alarmingly inconsistent as well.

  21. kastout11 - Jun 17, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    Kate Upton is whats wrong. If she was waiting in my bed, I would have a tough time concentrating at my job.

    • historiophiliac - Jun 17, 2014 at 3:56 PM

      You won’t ever have to worry about that.

  22. wingskc - Jun 18, 2014 at 1:43 AM

    This thread is just hilarious. Even is Justin has lost 2mph off his fastball because of Kate, there’s very damn few of us that wouldn’t think it was worth it. :)

    In the meantime, we’ll just continue to beat Justin and Max’s brains in…

  23. bigcatdaddie - Jun 18, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    If I’m Justin Verlander and I’m motorboating Kate Upton every night, I don’t think id be too concerned about blowing up a game to the hottest team in baseball. As long as his elbow and shoulder are sound, and he’s getting some sleep, he’ll be fine.

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