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Quote of the Day: Kyle Lohse on the Diamondbacks’ “tough guy stuff”

Jun 18, 2014, 8:23 AM EDT

Braun plunked AP

We wrote last night about the ridiculously and stupidly macho baloney from Kirk Gibson and the Diamondabcks. In short: they retaliated for what was almost certainly an accidental beaning — or, maybe, some old hard feelings over past encounters with the Brewers — by intentionally plunking Ryan Braun. The dumbest part was, even if the retaliation was justified, it came at an awful time, because plunking Braun loaded the bases for the Brewers’ hottest hitter, Jonathan Lucroy, who immediately hit a grand slam. In a game that was close and still winnable for the Brewers.

After the game, Brewers starter Kyle Lohse had this to say about the Dbacks’ strategy:

“You know what? They won tough-guy points today. But I don’t know where the stats are for those. You’re going to play tough-guy stuff? Go ahead. We’re winning games.”

That sort of instant karma is pretty damn satisfying. But really, given that the Dbacks’ very own GM is on record talking about how it’s a team value and strategy to hit opposing batters, I would hope that in addition to the instant karma, someone at MLB — all of whom I’m pretty sure have Tony La Russa’s telephone number — do something about it. Because there’s no place for this sort of garbage in the game.

  1. chill1184 - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM

    I’m kinda curious if Gibson continues to play this BS game he’s been doing when he will get fined or suspended

  2. [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    We wrote last night about the ridiculously and stupidly macho baloney from Kirk Gibson and the Diamondabcks.

    That’s great, but who are the Chefs?

    In all seriousness (or not), I’d love to see someone pull a Dock Ellis and intentionally try to hit every Dbacks player. It might make Gibson’s head explode.

    • sabatimus - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:54 AM

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:43 AM

        All time favorite part, after the mistake is realized:

        “Hey, you spelled….”


  3. andreweac - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:49 AM

    Lohse clearly doesn’t understand how to play the game the right way. If you are not as tough and gritty as the Dbacks you are insulting the rich heritage of the game.

    • carpi2 - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:56 AM

      Am I sensing some sarcasm here?

  4. sabatimus - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM

    Tough-guy stats are real: they represent how many runs you’re behind by after being a moron. Perhaps RBM?

  5. ltzep75 - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    There’s a stat, it just comes out as negative WAR.

  6. paperlions - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    The Diamond backs aren’t even among the most egregious on-purpose plunkers….they just brag about it publicly the most.

    The last few years the NL central has had periods of bean-ball wars. Since 2012, the Pirates, Cubs, Cardinals, and Reds are all in the top 6 (1st, 3rd, 5th, and 6th, respectively) in pitchers hitting batters and all 5 teams are in the top 10 in getting hit (with the Brewers, Pirates, Cardinals, and Reds ALL in the top 5 along with the Red Sox). To their credit, the Brewers have stayed out of it, being dead last in hitting batters during that time despite leading the league in getting hit.

    • bfunk1978 - Jun 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

      Totally surprised that the Reds are as low as they are, given how much they and the Pirates went round and round last year. It was ugly.

      • dluxxx - Jun 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM

        I think having Shin Soo Choo probably skewed their getting hit stats a bunch. He had 26 of them last year.

    • uwsptke - Jun 18, 2014 at 11:48 AM

      Thanks for doing the research; it validated my memory. Since Ned Yost was fired near the end of the 2008 season (Yost relished the bean-ball wars with the Cards), it definitely seems like the Brewers have tried to stay above the fray while Macha & Roenicke were at the helm.

  7. randygnyc - Jun 18, 2014 at 8:59 AM

    Anyone want to bet- we are going to see MLB set a precedent with this one.

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:11 AM

      I doubt it, only because everyone and their brother knew about this during the offseason. When your GM preaches that his team is going to retaliate for any perceived infraction, and then proceeds to go through with it even during spring training and nothing happens. Why suspend them now? I mean it’s entirely justified, but this is a league that can’t help the best team in baseball’s stadium from overflowing with sh!t.

      • nbjays - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM

        Methinks the D’backs are still butthurt about the Dodgers peeing in their pool.

  8. jtpercell - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM

    Kirk Gibson should be fired.

  9. cuns2317 - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM

    Let the cheaters stay, but if you plunk him in the ribs…

    • brazcubas - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM

      Well, yes, physically assaulting someone is worse that merely trying to gain an unfair advantage.

      Unless you try to gain an unfair advantage by physically assaulting someone. That’s worse than assaulting someone just for laughs.

  10. chris6523 - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:26 AM

    Stupidest intentional beaning since Ned Yost ordered Seth McClung to bean Albert Pujols while the Brewers were trying to win a division title in the last week of the 2007 season.

  11. migoli - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    Key word in your post Craig was the last word……”game” …..calm the hell down. This is entertainment people. So maybe a team intentionally hit a player with a pitch, I don’t know if you know this but I wouldn’t be the first time .

    • nbjays - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

      Exactly, it’s game, so don’t go doing stupid crap like intentionally trying to injure an opponent by throwing a 90-MPH projectile at him.

      • sportsfan18 - Jun 18, 2014 at 2:24 PM

        intentionally trying to hit a player is different than trying to intentionally injure a player.

        They are not the same thing.

    • [citation needed] fka COPO - Jun 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

      So maybe a team intentionally hit a player with a pitch

      Maybe? The prior pitch that was thrown behind Braun isn’t a good enough indicator for you that the second pitch was intentional? Come on…

    • kevinbnyc - Jun 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM

      Know what would be really entertaining? Watching somebody get killed playing a game!!!


  12. xpensivewinos - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM

    Sometimes, you really don’t mind seeing people lose their jobs…..

  13. yahmule - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM

    In his 17 year major league career, Captain Kirk played in over 149 games exactly three times. He only made it onto the field for over 100 games eight times. The rest of that time was spent lounging on the disabled list.

  14. thepftpoetisacrossdresser - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:41 AM

    This is officially the start of the end for Gibson. What a jag….his jersey should say “D-Bag” on it for the rest of the year rather than D-Backs..

    Oh….and worry about winning games instead of talking about Braun yet. The hard on he has for him and the whole PED crap is old news (and I’m not sweeping it under the rug on Braun’s account) but how about answering some of those questions about all your corked bats back in the latter part of your career without wanting to fist fight a reporter?

  15. cassi1125 - Jun 18, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    I would hope that in addition to the instant karma, someone at MLB — all of whom I’m pretty sure have Tony La Russa’s telephone number — do something about it.
    Ummm… Are you referring to the same Tony La Russa who would NEVER, EVER order the plunking of another player?


  16. mikdavfle - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    OK, Lohse (and this writer and everyone else) needs to sit and think for a bit. He hit 2 D-back batters in the game, one of them nearly in the head (though I would agree with the view that it wasn’t intentional). A Brewers pitcher hit Parra with a pitch on Monday night and there was no retaliation then. So that’s 3 D-backs hit by a pitch up to that point. There was always going to be a Brewer plunked at some point.

    Add on that Braun tested positive during the NLDS vs AZ (a series that he greatly helped MIL win) and it was safe to expect him to be the target. Hell, I’d say the D-backs showed restraint by only plunking him in the ass.

    Plus, look at the game situation: Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Wouldn’t most teams be looking to set up a double play there and just walk Braun?

    The result massively sucks (and even then, Zigeler is one of the better pitchers in baseball for inducing double plays so throw that into the thought process) but you can’t tell me that at least half the teams in baseball wouldn’t have done the same thing in that situation.

    • stex52 - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:18 AM

      No, I found the results quite satisfying, thank you. Some logic fails here.

      Is there something in the CBA that appointed the D’Backs guardians of the PED Holy Grail? Did the MLB assign them the job of hitting people for serving their sentences? Braun is a lying low-life. But he also served his penalty. What business is that of Gibson’s?

      You said yourself none of those hits looked intentional. So why retaliate?

      If you want to the double play, IBB the batter. You just pissed off a team, showed that you are bush league and m0otivated the next batter. D’Backs got what they deserved.

      And I take it from your “restraint” comment that you think they should have thrown at his head.

      • cassi1125 - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:44 AM

        And hasn’t it also been nigh on three years since the Brewers kicked the Snakes out of the post-season? Gibby needs to get over it. (And, FWIW, the D’backs won the series when they were at the Keg in May. The D’backs need to get their knickers untwisted and play better ball instead of creating/chasing imaginary insults.)

      • mikdavfle - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM

        You think teams don’t retaliate for non-intentional plunkings? How cute.

        And I didn’t say they weren’t all accidental, only that Lohse wasn’t trying to plunk Owings in the head. The other 2 HBPs were both on the 1st pitch of the AB and the one on Monday night set up a double play.

        And I’m not saying he should’ve been plunked in the head. I’m saying that Braun was getting plunked at some point in this series. Put most teams in the D-backs shoes and they’d be looking for a chance to do the same thing.

      • stex52 - Jun 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

        I think the smart teams don’t. D’Backs ruled out on that one.

        And why should it have been a given Braun would be hit? Most teams are in the D’Backs shoes, except for the fact that they play better baseball.

        Brewers will be very smart to take the high road. Gibson and others will probably get to sit a bit, and deservedly so.

    • Jeff - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:25 AM

      If Gibson was paying more attention to the game rather than d-baggery, he’d have simply intentionally walked Braun rather than bean. So no, to answer your question, at least half the teams in the league would not have done the same thing.

      • mikdavfle - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:48 AM

        I think you’re being very naive then.

      • Jeff - Jun 18, 2014 at 11:43 AM

        nope not naive, just not concerned with the stupid unwritten policing policy of major league baseball

    • mazblast - Jun 18, 2014 at 1:16 PM

      I can tell you that any manager with his head not up his a** would not order the intentional plunking of a hitter with two already on, the hottest hitter on the opponents’ team (who’d already hit one out that night IIRC) on deck, and a small lead. Save it for when the game is decided, or for the next day. Or spring training. Or never.

      If I were MLB, I’d order Gibby into the batter’s box for a nice AB vs., say, Aroldis Chapman. Let’s see you dig in, tough guy, when the pitcher can throw 101 and has a free pass to throw at YOU.

  17. Old Gator - Jun 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Food fight!

  18. jaguar0413 - Jun 18, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    If I were the GM of the Dbacks (and didn’t have my head as far up my behind as Kevin Towers does), I would fire Kirk Gibson on the spot. How can you make the decision to throw at another team and cost yourself a game? Inexcusable.

    In any case, any normal manager or player knows that Kyle Lohse wasn’t intentionally throwing at the Dbacks. He had a little trouble with his command and his reaction after the hit by pitch lets you know that he knows he screwed up.

    It’s time for Kirk Gibson to act like the adult he pretends to be. I mean the whole “throwing at the other team to motivate my players” is such a cop out. How about you do some actual managing?

    • cassi1125 - Jun 18, 2014 at 1:51 PM

      If I were the GM of the Dbacks (and didn’t have my head as far up my behind as Kevin Towers does), I would fire Kirk Gibson on the spot. How can you make the decision to throw at another team and cost yourself a game?… It’s time for Kirk Gibson to act like the adult he pretends to be. I mean the whole “throwing at the other team to motivate my players” is such a cop out. How about you do some actual managing?

      Considering that Towers last year, as someone else mentioned, highly advocated for AZ pitchers to throw at more hitters, I also wonder at the possible additional influence on Gibson of the recently-minted “chief baseball officer” to actually do it. (And doesn’t that title make you think that a shiny badge and ability to deputize was part of the agreement…?) Though TL, from what I recall, at least had the smarts to not celebrate in the dugout.

      • jaguar0413 - Jun 18, 2014 at 2:29 PM

        I had forgotten about Tony and his CBO position. He certainly was never shy about throwing at other teams, but I don’t remember him ever sacrificing a win in order to send a message. In this instance, he probably would have played it smarter, waiting either until the game was no longer in doubt or more likely would have looked to one of the two remaining games in the series to send his message.

  19. fifthstarter - Jun 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    As a fan of another team in the NL West, the fact that my favorite players might be in for this sort of treatment in one of the approximately 823908420 games we have left against the Dbacks is really worrisome to me. Which is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t want to have to take into consideration the likelihood that an opposing team is going to intentionally try to injure opposing players when I think about matchups. Freaking Towers and Gibson are are the worst.

  20. madhatternalice - Jun 18, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    I’m pretty sure that if I went on record as telling my employees to take out my competitors with baseballs, I’d be thrown in jail.

  21. rainydays29 - Jun 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    LMAO, because Kyle Lohse would never put on a “tough guy” act and hit a rookie for literally no reason whatsoever…OH WAIT:

    In other words, Lohse is a huge hypocrite. Always has been, always will be. Luckily for him, he signed with the perfect team for his attitude.

    • Jeff - Jun 18, 2014 at 2:26 PM

      huh? the link provided mentions Lohse taking offense to bunting

  22. maddog11896 - Jun 18, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    They’d obviously be fined and suspended, but I’d like to see maybe a Brewers bench player pull a nice Manny Machado and maybe just let the bat go in Gibsons direction. THAT would be hilarious!

    • cassi1125 - Jun 18, 2014 at 4:36 PM

      If the Crew still had Nori Aoki, they might’ve been able to accomplish *almost* that. I recall last year he hit two screaming foul liners into the heart of the visitor dugout, to the point that as he stood in to take another swing, the entire visitor dugout cleared out – just in case.

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