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HBT Daily: Did Josh Byrnes deserve to get the axe?

Jun 23, 2014, 2:29 PM EDT

  1. xpensivewinos - Jun 23, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    Absolutely he deserved to be fired. The great majority of the roster right now is his and virtually every contract he handed out has been a catastrophic kick in the nuts. It’s hard to imagine f***ing more things up even if he was trying on purpose. The Quentin, John Johnson and Gyorko contracts will really be his legacy. Maybin has proven to be absolute garbage (which is obviously why the Marlins and Tigers were both willing to trade him), but his contract seemed to be a reasonable gamble at the time. Hard to fault him too much for that one.

    Overall, though, it’s been an absolute comedy of errors.

    • asimonetti88 - Jun 23, 2014 at 3:29 PM

      Well, Josh Johnson was only signed to a 1-year contract. Obviously it hasn’t worked out, but at least the damage isn’t long term.

      • chargrz - Jun 23, 2014 at 5:40 PM

        2 years.

      • gloccamorra - Jun 23, 2014 at 5:44 PM

        One year, chargrz, with a team option if he didn’t make enough starts. The Padres definitely won’t pay him $3 million next year to rehab from surgery.

      • asimonetti88 - Jun 23, 2014 at 6:27 PM

        Next year is a team option that I would be pretty surprised if even the Padres picked up

  2. Conner012367 - Jun 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    I think the Rangers GM should be fired because he hasn’t given the team the best players they need to go to the playoffs and win.

    • rohlo - Jun 23, 2014 at 4:23 PM

      daniels is an ego maniac..he reminds me so much of former chargers gm aj smith… daniels pushed nolan ryan out the door and its karma how crappy things are for the rangers right now…rangers have peaked!! now everybody can jump off their bandwagon! the astros will be the team to watch in the coming year or so..owner has money,good front office and nolan ryan to boot,and a top ranked loaded minor league system…

  3. asimonetti88 - Jun 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM

    Bud Black isn’t a top flight manager by any means, but with the dearth of talent the Padres are throwing out there every day, I don’t think it matters who they have managing. They’re not going to win a lot of games. And that comes down to the GM.

    • rohlo - Jun 23, 2014 at 4:25 PM

      even when bud black has had his players healthy he juggles his lineups too much!!! why in the hell is he playing jace peterson who is batting .100???? this organization is too focused on pitching and no offense and that ballpark… what good is good pitchign if you have no offense behind it!! tiem to change the thinking around petco..people wanna see offense,not deep flyballouts!

      • asimonetti88 - Jun 23, 2014 at 5:04 PM

        Bud Black hasn’t helped, but the ultimate fault falls on Byrnes for failing to field a competitive team. He should have been the first to go, with Black following him out after the season. They needed to get rid of Byrnes before the deadline to keep him from mortgaging the long term to try to save himself in the short term. Black can’t do as much long term potential damage looking at it in that sense, they might as well ride out the year and start new in 2015 with a new GM and a new manager.

  4. dowhatifeellike - Jun 23, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    A manager can only squeeze so much out of his players. At some point the GM has to give him more talent to work with.

    A roster full of bargain players rarely works; you either have to give the top players you developed enough money to stay, or pay market price for a few solid guys who you can build around.

  5. wahoo21 - Jun 23, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Bud Black wanted the hitting coaches gone and Byrnes said no because he hired them…..the guys up top saw this and canned the guy that hired this mess.

    Get a real hitting coach……not two bad ones.
    If the season is over…which it isn’t….bring up some kids and see what they got because what they have up on the field right now is garbage.

    The Padres only have to make up 1 game a week on the leaders of the west…..it could be be done by the end of August

    the only thing these guys have to ask themselves is this,

    WWTGD ?

    HIT THE BALL……………HARD

  6. rohlo - Jun 23, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    byrnes is just another theo epstein castoff! theo was so overrated ! of course he did well in boston,they spend money! theo is what vp of operations in chicago with the cubs and hired his other former protege jed hoyer away from the padres…..all 3 of them are vastly overrated! cubs are garbage too!

    • jrob23 - Jun 23, 2014 at 4:55 PM

      “byrnes is just another theo epstein castoff! theo was so overrated ! of course he did well in boston,they spend money! theo is what vp of operations in chicago with the cubs and hired his other former protege jed hoyer away from the padres…..all 3 of them are vastly overrated! cubs are garbage too!”

      Byrnes had the lowest payroll to work with and a barren farm system. He did as can be expected. Don’t be laughably stupid

      • gloccamorra - Jun 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM

        The farm system is hardly barren, if it’s been rated in the top five the last few years. Much of the talent is pitching, and the position players are a year or three away. More money doesn’t help unless it’s used productively, and Byrnes didn’t do that, shoring up a weak offense by trading for and giving an older setup man/closer a $15 million 2-year contract when he already had an ace closer who’s younger and cheaper, and spending $8 million on an oft-injured starter who didn’t pan out. That sure helped the offense!

  7. xpensivewinos - Jun 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    Well, Josh Johnson was only signed to a 1-year contract. Obviously it hasn’t worked out, but at least the damage isn’t long term.
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    When the best thing you can say about a deal is that it’s only one year, then it’s a problem.

    It’s only a year, but this is another glaring case study of how a conclusion was reached to allocate money towards the wrong person……….again. The Padres have virtually zero margin for error in terms of financial flexibility, so if they blow 8 million bucks on a chronically injured pitcher, then that’s a catastrophic miss, especially with how impotent their offense is and how that money could have been used to bolster that.

    The Padres continue to be pathetic at growing their own talent so when you couple that with horrible free agent signings and mind-numbingly stupid contract extensions, it’s like Jacque Clouseau was running the team.

    Help refresh my memory. Who was the last real impact offensive player the Padres had come up thru their system from Day One……..Roberto Alomar, Carlos Baerga? Has there been one in the last 25 years??????

    • chargrz - Jun 23, 2014 at 8:41 PM

      Exactly! Thank you! Who picked all those terrific players over the years? Towers. Obviously he did not draft before 1995 but his track record for scouting was the worst. If the Padres hire Towers again i would not be surprised as the last 25 years have been hard to watch ( excluding ’98). I am also sick of hearing about how they cannot spend because of the small market San Diego is. The 8th largest city in the nation is not a small market. The owners are all billionaires so are the fans supposed to sympathize? No way! They buy the teams to make money just like any other business venture. Who cares if they lose a few bucks at the gate year in and year out? They make major $ on team equity and TV and MLB royalties. They can spend if they want. They just choose not to because they know that fans will come to the game because San Diego is a vacation spot and people come to the games even if the team is bad. Which is always the case. The current team reads like a Who’s Who of Major League cast offs and wanna bees.

    • gloccamorra - Jun 24, 2014 at 1:30 PM

      Well, Matt Bush is really offensive, but not in the way you meant.
      25 years will take you to 1989. The last ten years, the players are either a couple years into their careers or still in the minors, so you’re talking 1989 to 2003.

      The Padres traded Derrick Lee to get Kevin Brown in 1997, and Khalil Greene was pretty good for a time while his head was screwed on straight. Kyle Blanks has an impact bat, but was injured and misused. He’s now getting to play his natural position in Oakland and doing well. Last year’s first rounder, Hunter Renfroe, is roaring through the minors, and may be in the Padres outfield next year.

      With a lot of these guys, it’ll take several years to establish their bona fides, unless you mean instant slugger. Those are very rare – guys like Tony Gwynn and Mickey Mantle got sent down their rookie year, but turned out okay.

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